Newly Diagnosed - What Sort of Tests Would Be Done After a Positive Biopsy Result on a Tongue Lesion
Hi there,
I am new to the group so hello everyone and thank you for having such a group for people who are having to go through this horrible illness.
I have just received a positive cancer biopsy result on a lesion on my tongue (I have had oral lichen planus since 2006 so white patchy lesions on tongue are common) and my mouth specialist has referred me to a Head and Neck specialist at the hospital and I was wondering what sort of tests do they usually run when you receive a positive result?
Also how do they detect how far cancer has spread…I had a cone beam CT scan back in June and a Thyroid ultra sound scan done then too plus a lung x-ray in April and although nothing showed up on any of these diagnostic tests, I have been suffering from ear and jaw pain and at this stage all I know is the lesion on the tongue is biopsy. I see this ENT specialist on Thursday and was wondering what will I expect at this meeting and what sort of questions I should ask?
Tomorrow I take my husband in for prostrate cancer surgery so it hasn’t been the best of day but I don’t have time to grieve for myself right now as I need to be his support person for tomorrow but naturally I am scared of what lays ahead for me so any thoughts or advice most appreciated.
many thanks
kiwiigal
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Hello kiwiigal, you appear to have a lot happening at the moment. My prayers go out to you and your husband! The advice that was given to me was to have someone in the room with you when you meet your ENT... another person with a list of questions who can take notes throughout the appointment. Since the source of the cancer is your tongue, they will want a full-body PET scan first to check for any mets that might change the treatment recommendations. If surgery is recommended, I would try to find a ENT who has done lots of these very-specific types of procedures... vs someone who has done it only a few times (or less). So, I would definitely include a question for your ENT that informs how patients in your situation this doctor has treated? I would also line up a second opinion with a different ENT at a different facility to see if their treatment recommendations differ at all. In my case, I went to two places in two, different states.. and both doctors recommended the exact same surgery/chemo/rads treatment. If radiation is recommended, I would ask about the option of Proton therapy... and if any new studies show promising results using lower-dosage rads vs high-dose rads.
While I personally compiled a long list of questions prior to my initial consultation, it was all of the questions that arose after the appointment that were the most important. About two days after the appointment, I contacted my ENT and asked those specific questions over the phone. I have a feeling that happens with a lot of people... so, I would not worry about being too prepared before heading into the meeting.
Keep us updated as things happen. We can probably help you create a better questions list once more details are known.
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Hi LuvnTN,
Thanks so much for messaging back, really appreciate it. So a PET scan will detect any other areas that might have cancer is that what you mean by the word ‘Mets’, sorry new to all of this and haven’t heard this term before.
Great idea about getting a second opinion on course of treatment. Here in NZ finding specialists in many of these areas is hard and so will do my research on who is here and who is the best. Was given two names and one was retired so I might not have many options available but will definitely check out if others are around.
Yes I have my sister coming with me as my husband won’t be up to it and have sone questions compiled but like you say, it’s after the first consult that you find you have more questions so will definitely reach out and ask. I guess the biggest question in my head right now is where else is the cancer if it is any where else, is my tongue the primary source or is it secondary and how quickly will I get treatment? I did ask my specialist yesterday would it be quicker to go private (not that I have the money with my husband getting his treatment) but I don’t want to go on a huge waiting list before getting this done so it’s all this waiting and finding out stuff which is difficult for all us I know.
many thanks again.
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yes, "mets" meaning metastasis. A whole-body PET scan will show if there are any other areas of concern that might impact treatment recommendations. Also, and very important... ask about a dental visit (dentist recommendation) to have your teeth/jaw bones assessed well in advance of any radiation treatment. My ENT didn't say anything about it.. however, my oncologist emphasized the importance of the dental visit. She even set me up with a dentist who works with a lot of head and neck cancer patients. Radiation to the jaw bones has life-long effects that some people deal with long after treatments are finished. Dealing with any potential teeth issues before radiation can prevent a lot of headaches that might happen years from now. Hopefully your teeth/jawbones are in good order... and nothing major needs to be done. The dental thing is only an issue IF there is going to be direct radiation to the jawbones. Also, you may have already seen this site.. but, a quick search popped up this: https://anzhncs.org/mdt/
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Right okay so that’s my first step to get some kind of PET scan done to check if there are any areas of Mets going on. Hopefully that cone beam CT can of my jaw I got done back in early June would have picked something up (at this stage I was looking for why I had jaw pain and they suspected TMJ stuff going on but there’s no clear evidence of any real bone degeneration going on plus I don’t really present with typical Tmj symptoms but more pain so I’m thinking possibly the cancerous lesion on the tongue is pressing on a nerve but not sure. That’s good to know though about the radiation on the jaw as I do have osteoporosis (I have MCAS and am celiac). Thanks for sending me through that link, no I hadn’t seen it. Thanks for your suggestions and ideas, really appreciate it.
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I don't have any words of wisdom to offer you but wanted you to know that I am thinking about you and hoping that your cancer is in a stage where the minimum has to be done. I also had a white patch on the underside of my tongue in which a biopsy showed cancer. I had had a few biopsies done over the years and the diagnosis was inconclusive when it was benign but one ENT told me I had oral lichen planus. I asked the ENT to remove the entire white patch for my last biopsy because something was telling me that something wasn't right and they found a very small cancer, 1.5 mm wide and 0.6 mm in depth. It was caught so early that I only required surgery (a wide resection) of the area to be sure that I had clear cancer free margins. I had no radiation or chemo. They did do a neck CT scan to be certain there wasn't any evidence of lymph node involvement. It has been almost 5 years and I have had no recurrence. Please keep us posted as to how you are doing.
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Thanks katlou for replying, you sound very similar to me with over the years (had oral lichen planus since 2006) with having numerous biopsies over the years but each one had come back as no cancer although I know that our oral lichen planus lesions are what they call ‘pre cancer’ and hence the need why we need to keep an eye on things but for some reason I thought this one looked different, the shape, the look etc and you know how you just have this feeling that this one feels different but you still hope or think no it’s going to be negative just because it’s been that way in the past but you just never know. I saw the ENT specialist at the hospital yesterday and he said it was small and thin and so removing it should be all that is required but I am also getting a neck and chest scan done too just to check that there is no cancer there. That is so comforting to hear that you had a similar lesion to mine (not comforting that you had to experience it you poor thing, oral lichen planus is not a nice beast I know) but that you are in a similar situation as me and that you have had a really positive result. So wonderful to hear. Yes I will keep you posted on the scan results when I get them which hopefully will be within the next 2 weeks and then I will be called back. Thanks again so much for replying, always good to hear.
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