Blessed, but Threatened

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  • BluebirdOne
    BluebirdOne Member Posts: 656 Member

    I iced, and have a tiny bit of it in my big toe. A stabbing pain once in a while. Also, initially when you ice it is a shock but it quickly subsides. I did not mind it at all other than an inconvenience and I am very cold sensitive. Years ago I had very painful plantar fasciitis that I used an ice water foot bath to cure, so I knew that the initial cold shock goes away in a few minutes. What sold me is that I read some of our former sisters here talking about their neuropathy issues and I knew I would do anything to avoid what they were going through. I also have had bad arthritis in my hands/wrists for many years which has limited my ability to use them so I really didn't want to add neuropathy if I could help it. Hope this helps.

    Denise

  • thatblondegirl
    thatblondegirl Member Posts: 388 Member

    Dear LP, Victory Infusions! I like that! And it’s very nice to “see” you here again!

    And like Denise, I was convinced by the neuropathy stories of our sisters and avoiding long-term damage. It’s kind of odd, the slight bit of it I feel in my toes is right after I take my shoes off. Originally, it kind of lasted for a few minutes after I would get in bed, but that stopped after a few months.

    I thought it was very strange that I never saw a single woman in the treatment room icing, but me….in a room with 6 chairs over the course of 6 infusions!! Not counting multiple other times I was in that office and passed by that room! I swear, it’s because they just didn’t know! When I asked ONC his reply was, “oh…yeah…other people do it, but not like you!” …implication being that I was (overly) persistent.

    So, don’t be deterred if you are the only one! We are all so lucky here to have each other!

    THX, INVALUABLE FRIENDS!

    ❤️, A

  • nettiej526
    nettiej526 Member Posts: 28 Member

    Thank you Alicia, I will definitely talk to them about it at my pre-meeting. I am absolutely willing to have added discomfort for the short term to achieve comfort for the long term!! Thank You!!

  • nettiej526
    nettiej526 Member Posts: 28 Member

    I understand Denise. I have osteo-arthritis everywhere. It is good to know that someone else could do it in spite of the arthritis. Thank you so much!!

  • Lyn70
    Lyn70 Member Posts: 214 Member

    I am a type 2 diabetic and I also had a previous RCHOP chemo for Non Hodgkins Lymphoma in 2013 so it is hard to say when my neuropathy first started. I will say the neuropathy in my hands was worse during taxol/Carboplatin chemo but it subsided first. In about 3 months post chemo. The neuropathy in my feet began all over but remains in my toes only and that is occasionally. I am blessed!

  • Afoste3
    Afoste3 Member Posts: 39 Member

    Hi NettieJ,

    I'm here to support my mom, she had 6 cycles carbo/taxol. Thanks to all the information on this board, we did the icing during her infusions. She has no neuropathy. While we'll never know whether the icing prevented it, her oncologist did say in his experience he expects it to happen if you get more then 4 cycles of this chemo based on what he's seen with his patients. He became an icing "convert" based on my mom's results.

    Personally, I think little is said about it because it adds work for the nurses, who are already quite busy. But in my mind it's worth any "inconvenience" given how debilitating neuropathy can be for so many day-to-day activities. Plus as others have posted, it's not like many patients are doing it!

    Good luck with your treatment!

    Anne-Marie

  • Frances081920
    Frances081920 Member Posts: 37 Member

    Hello Nettie, I was diagnosed with serous endometrial stage 2 in 8/2020- had surgery and started chemo from October 2020 through February 2021 and I had vaginal brachytherapy between the chemo sessions. My husband was also only allowed to be with me for the first treatment, otherwise I was alone . I found the nurses to be very compassionate and they seemed to try to make an extra effort to make me feel more comfortable. In the end, my motto also was "it is what it is". I used ice socks and frozen water bottles for the hands, and I do not have neuropathy, for that I am truly thankful. My husband and I stayed away from everyone the entire time , he would take me for rides but we didn't get out of the car. He did the shopping once a week, in the early morning at Walmart when they allowed older and disabled people only. He avoided everyone and wore 2 masks. I had medical visits via tele visits, the only in person care was the chemo and the radiation. We attended church via the internet. It wasn't fun but I made it. I am now almost a year out and last CT 12/2021 was NED. Next CT's in March, I feel fine and anticipate a clean bill of health. God bless and keep you in His care, you will be in my prayers.

  • nettiej526
    nettiej526 Member Posts: 28 Member

    You have been through the mill for a long time Lyn!! You are inspirational.

  • nettiej526
    nettiej526 Member Posts: 28 Member

    Thank you Anne-Marie! I think you all have me pretty convinced to do the icing. The frozen water bottles seems like a cool idea. Because of all the extra work, do they charge you extra if you want to do the icing. I have seen online where some women pay 4 or 500 a session or something like that?

  • Lyn70
    Lyn70 Member Posts: 214 Member

    Nettie,

    I have never think of myself as inspirational. Read some of my posts and you will see I can be a bundle of Anxiety. "So far, so good!" This is the quote from my oncologists that I hold fast to.

    I have been through much the same cancer journey as our fellow sisters on this site, certainly less strife than many others. I have minimal lasting side effects so I feel very blessed. You will have your own story and others will learn from it.

    I did not have any problem with eating or my blood sugars during carboplatin/taxol treatment but nausea was not a problem for me and I took Lorazepam. I hope it is the same for you.

  • BluebirdOne
    BluebirdOne Member Posts: 656 Member

    I would also like to add that even though my top tier center had the capability to offer icing, they did so grudgingly, a little bit of eye rolling, but they did when I asked.) (I would get the same eye rolling when I mention that I use THC gummies for sleep or anxiety but that is a story for another day. I still don't think they actually put that down in my chart as a medication😂). I think there are studies that suggest that icing is not effective, but anecdotally I decided to take my chances. What is the harm and even if it just reduces the amount of neuropathy I have that much to gain? Plus so many of us bring our own supplies that it hardly bothers the nurses. At that point during my treatment I was grasping at anything to help me along, it was a dark time. So, yes, it is cold, it is inconvenient, but like chemo so doable, and if it can stave off terrible neuropathy, I am in.

    Denise

  • Ribbons
    Ribbons Member Posts: 154 Member

    I don’t see that having some ice paks or bringing frozen water bottles is much more work for the nurses. I think if someone does the cold capping to try to save their hair, that adds a little work. Plus I don’t think insurance covers that usually, so out of pocket it can be pretty spendy!

  • nettiej526
    nettiej526 Member Posts: 28 Member

    Well Lyn, your humility is commendable, but you are all inspirational to me, whether you take credit for it or not! Lol

  • nettiej526
    nettiej526 Member Posts: 28 Member

    I guess I don't understand why it is so expensive if it just entails ice packs??

  • Ribbons
    Ribbons Member Posts: 154 Member

    The cold capping to prevent hair loss is a special machine that regulates the degree of coldness and it has to be monitored I think and adjusted, it’s way different than just icing your hands and feet.

  • nettiej526
    nettiej526 Member Posts: 28 Member

    AHHHH, that makes sense. I was wondering how they did the head. Thanks!! Do you all think the head is as important as the hands and feet?

  • Ribbons
    Ribbons Member Posts: 154 Member

    I didn’t feel like it was worth it for me, I couldn’t pay extra for things. Just a personal decision.

  • thatblondegirl
    thatblondegirl Member Posts: 388 Member

    Hi, Nettie!

    I started a thread after my first infusion. If you’re interested, you can search on the Uterine Board (bar at top of opening page) “Waiting of the other shoe to drop.” (It was a typo! I meant for it to read, “Waiting for* the other….” ). Anyway, that thread pretty much tells the story of my chemo experience, and might be informative for you because of all the support and replies!

    I did write some about my cold-capping. Most of the ladies here chose not to try it. As Cheryl said, it’s a personal decision. There are several different systems. The one most easily available to me was a company out of Houston and the day before each infusion they delivered an ice chest (on rollers, thank goodness!) to my front door with 60lbs of dry ice and 6 gel-filled “caps.” They have to be changed out every 30 minutes and so rotated in & out of that ice chest…while wearing gloves cuz their ideal temperature is -22 degrees (Fahrenheit). Put one on an hour before drugs drip and keep switching out for 4-8 hrs post- infusion….I usually lasted 6. The longer the better. More then once traffic was bad enough that we pulled over twice on the way home to get a fresh cap.

    How was it? Tortuous. Would I do it again? As I wrote somewhere here very recently, Yes, but I would be very unhappy about it. Some people get migraines, and that would have been a deal-breaker for me. For me it created pretty intense nausea. And with each infusion, and a little more hair loss, the time I felt nauseous went from 5-10 minutes to almost 20 by round 5-6. Then time for a fresh cap and here we go again.

    So, WHY??? Why would I do that to myself? 2 goals: 1) I didn’t want to be bald. I had and recovered from open-heart surgery 7 years ago. It was tough, very tough. But when I looked in the mirror I looked like me. I just couldn’t imagine going through this AND being bald. It horrified me. 2) Even at 65 (when this started) I had a fabulous full head of hair. I was blessed with good genes. So, I wanted MY hair back when it was over. Even when it was obvious that it wasn’t being as successful as I had hoped, I continued to preserve hair follicles. And I looked at it like this: 6 days. 6 days of misery to preserve what I hope is 365 X many years! At the end of the first one: 1 down, 5 to go…..then 5 down, 1 to go. Fortitude? Stubbornness? Something I could choose to control? Probably all and more.

    As to chemo nurses doing extra work, mine was fabulous. A true sweetheart. I didn’t need help with the mittens & booties, but she helped me anyway. Because my husband couldn’t help with the cold-capping, she did all that, too. I repeatedly bought her generous VISA gift cards, but I did that because I wanted to. She helped me because she’s a wonderful person and she wanted to help me! I think most chemo nurses are that way. That’s a TOUGH job….they have to be kind, helpful people or they couldn’t stand it.

    An aside…..And I’ve known some who weren’t nice! My heart surgeon’s nurse was so mean, nasty, and downright awful, when she gave me her phone number I entered her in my contact list as “Nurse Ratched.” Every time she called it made me laugh!

    I know you will be good! And you have so much support here!

    ❤️, Alicia