Proton Therapy at Scripps

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  • AnotherSurvivor
    AnotherSurvivor Member Posts: 384 Member
    edited January 2017 #22
    I just got done (Jan 3) with

    I just got done (Jan 3) with a very similar course of treatment.  You pretty much have a handle on the daily stuff now, that doesn't change much.  Chemo is a bigger risk to you than the rad, because its side effects are so unpredictable.  I did carbol-taxil, and I turned out to have a reaction to benedryl that they included to reduce nausea.  I started having violent shivering and fevers 4 hours after chemo.  That started in week 4.

    If you start experiencing a lot of phelgm and mucus, I recommend a suction pump from medicalresouces.com (the gomco 330A) they have on sale.  You don't have to sit and spit.  Probably your main threat is not the cancer, they will highly probably get that.  It's heavy duty side effects like infections and thrombosis (blood clots).  Your best guide on that is your temp and vitals.  A self-pressuring blood pressure cuff, a digital forehead thermometer, and a finger blood oxygen gauge will let you monitor locally.

     

    I ended up with lung embolisms, which showed up in my bloodwork and blood ox, but we were looking for some form of low level infection (which I never had), turns out blood clots will show the same symptoms.  I heard later that week 4 was when things commonly start getting heavy (and I really wish that had said that rather than "it depends".  Most of weeks 4 and 5 was hospital.  week 6 I was out but in a wheelchair, 7 I walked into the lab for my final Rads.

     

    I am now 3 weeks past R35, and think I have taste returning (banana!), and I go for hours with no mucus.  Sleep can be iffy, sometimes solid, sometimes spotty.  Next week I have a plan for indoor walking exercise (IKEA is large, warm and indoors out of the snow and cold).

    They will bug [content removed by CSN Administrator] you on calories, without working solutions.  One imbicle dietician was talking to a man who had trouble swallowing water about maybe putting gravy on mashed potatoes.  I suggest you talk to experienced head and neck oncology nurses ONLY when you talk nutrition.  Hospital dieticians seem to all be not terribly bright home-ec majors.

     

  • dw195
    dw195 Member Posts: 43 Member
    edited January 2017 #23

    I just got done (Jan 3) with

    I just got done (Jan 3) with a very similar course of treatment.  You pretty much have a handle on the daily stuff now, that doesn't change much.  Chemo is a bigger risk to you than the rad, because its side effects are so unpredictable.  I did carbol-taxil, and I turned out to have a reaction to benedryl that they included to reduce nausea.  I started having violent shivering and fevers 4 hours after chemo.  That started in week 4.

    If you start experiencing a lot of phelgm and mucus, I recommend a suction pump from medicalresouces.com (the gomco 330A) they have on sale.  You don't have to sit and spit.  Probably your main threat is not the cancer, they will highly probably get that.  It's heavy duty side effects like infections and thrombosis (blood clots).  Your best guide on that is your temp and vitals.  A self-pressuring blood pressure cuff, a digital forehead thermometer, and a finger blood oxygen gauge will let you monitor locally.

     

    I ended up with lung embolisms, which showed up in my bloodwork and blood ox, but we were looking for some form of low level infection (which I never had), turns out blood clots will show the same symptoms.  I heard later that week 4 was when things commonly start getting heavy (and I really wish that had said that rather than "it depends".  Most of weeks 4 and 5 was hospital.  week 6 I was out but in a wheelchair, 7 I walked into the lab for my final Rads.

     

    I am now 3 weeks past R35, and think I have taste returning (banana!), and I go for hours with no mucus.  Sleep can be iffy, sometimes solid, sometimes spotty.  Next week I have a plan for indoor walking exercise (IKEA is large, warm and indoors out of the snow and cold).

    They will bug [content removed by CSN Administrator] you on calories, without working solutions.  One imbicle dietician was talking to a man who had trouble swallowing water about maybe putting gravy on mashed potatoes.  I suggest you talk to experienced head and neck oncology nurses ONLY when you talk nutrition.  Hospital dieticians seem to all be not terribly bright home-ec majors.

     

    AnotherSurvivor

    Yesterday when I woke up my tongue was hurting, when i had my rad treatment the doctor looked at it and said i have thrush. He started me on liquid Nystatin, this really sucks. I've been diligent about rinsing with baking soda and salt and keeping hydrated. Hope it clears up soon :-(

  • dw195
    dw195 Member Posts: 43 Member
    Erbitux Acne

    I look like a 13 year old this morning, my face really broke out with acne last night. But it's not painful at least, the Trush that started a few days ago is pretty painful though. I'm doing everything I was told to get rid of it but my tongue looks pretty bad and I have very little taste. Overall doing ok after almost two weeks of rads and chemo, I salute everyone that has gone through this. It really is a **** of a treatment.

  • AnotherSurvivor
    AnotherSurvivor Member Posts: 384 Member
    edited January 2017 #25
    Yep, t'aint the cancer, it's

    Yep, t'aint the cancer, it's the side-effects, and you can't see them coming.  All they have is your vitals and your labs, and all they do is give general indications.  We found my embolisms by accident, triggered by a reaction to benedryl.  We were still hunting for an infection, but they threw in a iodine-stain CT, and there they were.  Chemo is basically killing you, but in a controlled fashion.  You and I get/got "mild" chemo, from what I've seen from people on cisplaten, we should be very greatful.  I am pretty sure my cancer is gone, but won't get a verdict for months.  My embolisms will have me on daily blood-thinners for a year, and have severly impacted travel plans and white-water rafting this year.  I've bounced back fast, but it doesn't matter, because even a scratch and I  bleed like a stuckpig.

    Moral, if you aren't getting checked every day, I would self-monitor blood-pressure, temp, blood-ox, daily.  My embolisms first showed up as low blood-ox.   

  • vanbcman
    vanbcman Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2017 #26
    dw195 said:

    Erbitux Acne

    I look like a 13 year old this morning, my face really broke out with acne last night. But it's not painful at least, the Trush that started a few days ago is pretty painful though. I'm doing everything I was told to get rid of it but my tongue looks pretty bad and I have very little taste. Overall doing ok after almost two weeks of rads and chemo, I salute everyone that has gone through this. It really is a **** of a treatment.

    Been there with the HPV Throat Cancer 1 1/2 years out

    I found the radiation hit my taste and swallowing at the 3 week point. When I complained about a sore throat the radiation tech said "finally" you complained about something. I guess you are used to your warrior mask by now. It will shink and fit looser as the radiation treatments continue which is kinda nice. I had a tube feed and I still lost 40 pounds which was considered good at the time. My friend didn't have one and he dropped  60 pounds. But everyone is different. Thats the one thing I wish I had known. I kept waiting for the nausea and it never happened. If you didn/t feel sick after your first chemo then you should be OK on that front. But still take the nausea meds just in case. I had cisplaten and just now have develped Tinnitus from it. My taste is 25% of what it used to be so far. I would say that is the worst side effect from the treatment and dry mouth. Hope I have not scared you. Your life will be different for a while ..but you are alive. Thats what I keep telling myself. 

  • dw195
    dw195 Member Posts: 43 Member
    vanbcman said:

    Been there with the HPV Throat Cancer 1 1/2 years out

    I found the radiation hit my taste and swallowing at the 3 week point. When I complained about a sore throat the radiation tech said "finally" you complained about something. I guess you are used to your warrior mask by now. It will shink and fit looser as the radiation treatments continue which is kinda nice. I had a tube feed and I still lost 40 pounds which was considered good at the time. My friend didn't have one and he dropped  60 pounds. But everyone is different. Thats the one thing I wish I had known. I kept waiting for the nausea and it never happened. If you didn/t feel sick after your first chemo then you should be OK on that front. But still take the nausea meds just in case. I had cisplaten and just now have develped Tinnitus from it. My taste is 25% of what it used to be so far. I would say that is the worst side effect from the treatment and dry mouth. Hope I have not scared you. Your life will be different for a while ..but you are alive. Thats what I keep telling myself. 

    Vanbcman

    How long since your treatment? So far I'm keeping on the weight, only lost 2lbs so far. It's been tough to eat with very little taste and pain from Thrush. And yes, being alive is the key thing :-)

    Don

  • shortie81
    shortie81 Member Posts: 11
    edited January 2017 #28
    Proton Therapy

    Hi dw 195. I was doing some research & stumble upon your post. I am researching about Nasopharyngeal cancer because my dear sister was diagnosed with stage 4 around Thanksgiving of 2015. The tumor is the size of a baseball. She immediately started chemo and did 6 rounds. The chemo was not effective at all. The cancer spread to her liver & pelvic. She is currently getting immunotherapy and there's little progress. The tumor is contained but her liver is what's causing her the most problems right now. She has cysts all over her liver, 30+ cysts, thus causing her to look like she's 4 months pregnant. The doctor drained 5 of the largest cysts early December 2016. Just this past Friday, January 27th, one of her cysts ruptured and she was rushed to the hospital. It was a life and death situation, luckily she pulled through. She also has fluid in her lungs that has to be drained out periodically. This is the first time any of us has dealt with cancer. She's only 36 and have so much more to live for. I have done some research & it seems like proton therapy would be the best option for her with less side effects & it won't effect other surrounding organs. She lives in San Diego. Our first goal is to help her find a effective treatment & treat the cancer first & then her liver or both at the same time if possible. She's still in the hospital as of now. Any advices or help would be greatly appreciated.

  • dw195
    dw195 Member Posts: 43 Member
    shortie81

    I would get on the horn to Scripps and set up an appointment ASAP!!! I'm not sure if you would see Doctor Grover or not but he is my Oncolgist. 
    (858) 549-7400

    You could also ask for his personal nurse assitant Melissa, she could help set up an appointment also.
    Good Luck,

    Don

  • dw195
    dw195 Member Posts: 43 Member
    edited February 2017 #30
    Rads day #13

    Thrush is getting a little better but my tongue still stings pretty badly when I eat, Thrush started last week and I've been taking medication since then. Anyone know how long it normally takes to clear up? I can taste sweet ok, salt is painful. Most things are cardboard :-(

    Beginning to feel soreness in the back of my throat from the radiation treatments. Slight fatigue but overall so far things are going ok.

    Don

  • phrannie51
    phrannie51 Member Posts: 4,716
    edited February 2017 #31
    dw195 said:

    Rads day #13

    Thrush is getting a little better but my tongue still stings pretty badly when I eat, Thrush started last week and I've been taking medication since then. Anyone know how long it normally takes to clear up? I can taste sweet ok, salt is painful. Most things are cardboard :-(

    Beginning to feel soreness in the back of my throat from the radiation treatments. Slight fatigue but overall so far things are going ok.

    Don

    DW....

    Thrush is a PITA for sure!  Get some probiotics...like Acidophilis or Prima Bifidus at the health food store.  Chew the tablets, or if capsule, open and pour on tongue....add a couple tablespoons of water, and hold the mixture on your tongue....this is part of everyday, not just when Thrush is present.  Thrush is an overgrowth of bad buds because of the rads....the probiotics are good bugs....they'll help keep the overgrowth in check.  You can swallow and it's good for your digestion, too.

    Another thing used often here is L-Glutamine powder (also found in the health food store)....mix and rinse your mouth with it several times a day...it helps fight mouth sores.  It never stings for some reason.  I lived on it when plain water hurt my mouth.

    p

  • dw195
    dw195 Member Posts: 43 Member
    Hi Phrannie51

    Thank you for the Probiotics suggestion, I'll get them today. I have been using L-Glutamine, baking soda and salt water rinses. Those all seem to help for a short time. Next Friday will be my 1/2 way point, so things are moving along :-)

    Don

  • Nancy24
    Nancy24 Member Posts: 72 Member
    Thrush etc

    Hi Don.  So sorry to hear about the thrush.  Sounds terrible.  John had Cisplatin so maybe that's why he didn't get thrush.  Or maybe he was just lucky since he never had any mouth sores that bothered him.  Also sorry to hear about the sore throat.  The Gabapentin kept that at bay for John.  Are you at the full dosage of Gabapentin yet?  Definitely let Dr Grover know about the sore throat.  Hang in there!! 

    Nancy

  • dw195
    dw195 Member Posts: 43 Member
    1/2 Way Through

    Hi everyone,
    Today is my half way point, i only have 3 more Erbitux treatments and 17 more rads to go!!! Overall I'm doing pretty good, the Erbitux really kicked my butt for awhile but I finally was prescribed a topical ointment that has taken most of the redness and swelling away. My face was really painful for a few days this week. The Thrush has gotten a little better, I can taste a little better and it's not as painful. Everything is good, a little soreness in the throat and of course fatigue. 

    I'm being hit with 4 different beams during radiation treatment, they are going to adjust the amount hitting my tongue today to see if that will help. The undersides of my tongue are pure white but not as painful as last week. 

    All in all, I'm happy to be half way through and want to thank everyone here again for your incredible insight and support!!!

    Don

  • dw195
    dw195 Member Posts: 43 Member
    edited February 2017 #35
    10 More Rads to Go

    Quick update - 10 more rads to go. I had most of the week off due to the Proton machine being down. They finally had me go to a standard IMRT machine Friday and Saturday, the Proton machine is supposed to be back up on Monday. They are planning to give me a double day next week to put me back on schedule. Glad to be starting week 6. Overall I haven't had too many side effects from the radiation but the Herbitux has really hit me hard. I stopped at the 5th dose and don't think i can do anymore. My face is beet red and hurts, my fingertips have cracked and bled. I just don't thin anymore Erbitux will make any difference.

    I've lost all taste except for slight taste of sugar, Thrush came back but not as bad and it's almost gone again. I've been sleeping over 12 hours a day and feel very fatigued. I'm on all liquids except for watermelon and apples, I really miss food :-(

    All in all - doing pretty good. Almost done with the therapy so hopefully in a couple of weeks i can report on good recovery news!!!

    Don

  • Nancy24
    Nancy24 Member Posts: 72 Member
    Almost done!

    Hi Don. Sorry to hear about the Erbitux issues and the proton machine being down so long. John's radiation start date was delayed because it was down for a few days last July. 

    Hang in there....you are ALMOST DONE!  The fatigue will last for awhile so don't expect too much from yourself. John was on all liquids for two months starting around week four or five. The good news is that he recently gained five pounds (25 to go) and CT and PET scans and scoping show no evidence of disease.  He's about six months post-treatment and has close to normal energy.  So there is light at the end of the tunnel...

    Email John if you want some support. I'll update him on your posting. 

    Nancy

  • dw195
    dw195 Member Posts: 43 Member
    edited March 2017 #37
    Hi Nancy

    One more week to go, didn't think it would ever get here. Fatigue has leveled off but I'm still sleeping a lot, still able to make the drive to San Diego and back. I think i should be able to do it all of next week too. I'm down 20 lbs and Dr. Grover says I can't lose anymore, I'm trying everything but it's so hard to eat when everything takes so awful or the texture is so bad. 

    I do have some neck burns that may worsen next week and the Erbitux rash is still going strong :-( 

    Thank you and John again for responding, it means a lot!!!

    Don

  • CivilMatt
    CivilMatt Member Posts: 4,724 Member
    edited March 2017 #38
    dw195 said:

    Hi Nancy

    One more week to go, didn't think it would ever get here. Fatigue has leveled off but I'm still sleeping a lot, still able to make the drive to San Diego and back. I think i should be able to do it all of next week too. I'm down 20 lbs and Dr. Grover says I can't lose anymore, I'm trying everything but it's so hard to eat when everything takes so awful or the texture is so bad. 

    I do have some neck burns that may worsen next week and the Erbitux rash is still going strong :-( 

    Thank you and John again for responding, it means a lot!!!

    Don

    1 week

    Don,

    Time flies!

    Remember, you can drink those calories too.  Eating became a chore for most of us.

    Whatever route you take, keep drinking water and swallowing.

    I do not know what you are doing for neck burn, but I found tremendous relief in Silver Sulfadiazine Cream, it is a bit messy, but the pain went away (worst pain I had).

    Hope to hear your healing stories, good luck.

    Matt

  • AnotherSurvivor
    AnotherSurvivor Member Posts: 384 Member
    There is a waterbase gel pack

    There is a waterbased gel pack called RadiaDres that I used on my neck burns.  I applied Aquaphor lightly, and then used the gel packs to reduce pain and speed the healing.  They don't stick, but they also tend to dry out in a few hours.  They are not cheap, but our radiation oncol's nurse gave us a stash when she saw the need.

    I also got the 'can't lose any more weight' lecture.  It's not like you have a choice on how much you lose, and I think they lose sight of that.  That led to some very tense discussions on the physical meaning of 'can't'.   I dropped 40 lbs (started at 220 and 6').  Once you can start getting calories in the loss stops quickly.  As close as you are to the end, I think you'll make it without a PEG.   They thought about it with me, but I'm a surgical risk so even putting in a PEG was too risky.  The debate on me stopped when a very senior oncol with a lot of experience said my weight loss, while sizeable, was not pushing me into organ failure risk.  Two months of post-treatment +2,000 calorie days has me lean and mean at a firm 180lbs.  

  • dw195
    dw195 Member Posts: 43 Member
    edited March 2017 #40
    CivilMatt said:

    1 week

    Don,

    Time flies!

    Remember, you can drink those calories too.  Eating became a chore for most of us.

    Whatever route you take, keep drinking water and swallowing.

    I do not know what you are doing for neck burn, but I found tremendous relief in Silver Sulfadiazine Cream, it is a bit messy, but the pain went away (worst pain I had).

    Hope to hear your healing stories, good luck.

    Matt

    Hi Matt

    I've been drinking Ensure Plus which I'm really sick of and Ensure Clear which is pretty good but not as many calories. I try some type of solid food every day just to see if I can get it down. Sometimes I can get solids down for at least a few bites and then the taste buds turn off or turn the taste into a garbage dump and I can't keep going. My swallowing is good, it seems Gabopentin is really helping with throat soreness. I really don't have too much of a sore throat, dry mouth is an issue but nothing too bad.

    I've been using Aquafor on the neck burns, it helps a lot. I'll try the Sulfadiazine cream also - thanks for the tip!!!

    I feel pretty lucky so far, nothing unbearable. I do have lots of fatigue but not being able to eat solid food and wonky taste buds are the worst thing. One more radiation down today and four to go :-)

    Don

  • dw195
    dw195 Member Posts: 43 Member
    edited March 2017 #41

    There is a waterbase gel pack

    There is a waterbased gel pack called RadiaDres that I used on my neck burns.  I applied Aquaphor lightly, and then used the gel packs to reduce pain and speed the healing.  They don't stick, but they also tend to dry out in a few hours.  They are not cheap, but our radiation oncol's nurse gave us a stash when she saw the need.

    I also got the 'can't lose any more weight' lecture.  It's not like you have a choice on how much you lose, and I think they lose sight of that.  That led to some very tense discussions on the physical meaning of 'can't'.   I dropped 40 lbs (started at 220 and 6').  Once you can start getting calories in the loss stops quickly.  As close as you are to the end, I think you'll make it without a PEG.   They thought about it with me, but I'm a surgical risk so even putting in a PEG was too risky.  The debate on me stopped when a very senior oncol with a lot of experience said my weight loss, while sizeable, was not pushing me into organ failure risk.  Two months of post-treatment +2,000 calorie days has me lean and mean at a firm 180lbs.  

    Hi AnotherSurvivor

    I'll look into the RadiaDres, Aquaphor is working but it's pretty messy. I've cut the collars out of several t-shirts so they don't rest on my neck burns, works for around the house but then I have to put on a collared shirt to go somewhere and that's beginning to get painful. I'm 5' 9" and usually around 175lbs, I'm a cyclist so losing a little weight from my normal is ok by me. I did bulk up to 184 lbs pre-treatment and I keep telling this to my doctor, I've really only lost 10 lbs from my normal weight. Oh well, I'll only have to get the lecture one more time.

    I can't wait to feel up to riding again, especially with all of this wonderful rain we've had in Southern California. The Mt. Biking will be amazing this year!!!

    Don