Cisplatin and 5FU as preventive doses

After going through all the radiation treatments and 3 chemo treatments the tumor was gone. My husband who is 69 years old and had been in good health until now was just starting to get back to himself after what the doctors called "a traumatic course" that included complications of acute kidney failure and depression.   He is 15-16 weeks post the treatments.  Doctor wants to do 3 doses 4 weeks apart of Cisplatin and 5FU for prevention in case any microscopic cells are still present.   Just finished first dose week today.  Not feeling very good. We are back to him feeling what he calls strange- can't describe but knows he is just not right.   His throat also hurts now when swallowing. Has anyone experienced this preventive regimen?  Wondering if should still go for the other 2 doses if reaction not good with first one. 

 

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  • Barbaraek
    Barbaraek Member Posts: 626
    We couldn't tolerate the adjuvant

    Our plan was to do 3 cycles of Cisplatin and 5FU after the 35 IMRT radiation and 2 Cisplatin doses. It wasn't meant to be. My husband became extremely neutropenic even with the shot of Neulasta that was supposed to boost up his white blood cell count. Then he had something called recall mucositis which was every bit as bad as the original mucositis. Both his oncologist and I said enough is enough at that point. Statistically the extra Cisplatin+5FU wasn't worth the risk of more neutropenia and side effects for us. My husband is now 1 year out from treatment with no evidence of disease.

    It's a very personal decision. You feel like you want to wring every advantage out of the treatment you can. You might even feel like you are not finishing the race. It was an easy decision for me to say STOP, but a much harder one for my husband. In the end, his doctors are the ones who helped him see the risk/reward ratio and decide not to pursue any more adjuvant chemo.

    Best of luck with your decision.

    Barbara

  • CajunEagle
    CajunEagle Member Posts: 408
    My Chemo treatment

    Prior to treatment, I was in bad shape.  The left tonsil tumor was around my Carotid artery and agressively headed for my spine.  After two PET scans, the team started with Cisplatin and 5FU.  All-in-all, my protocol called for 6 sessions of Cisplatin and 2 full weeks of the 5FU belt.  Also had a couple of bags of Textara mixed in there.  Concurrently with the Chemo, were 35 rounds of radiation.  I went through the entire process.....which was 7 years ago....and was told after 29 rounds of Radiation that the tumor was gone.  I still had to complete one more session of Cisplatin just to make sure, plus finish the 6 more rounds of radiation.  By that time in my life, I was very very sick and Neuropathy had taken over my hands and feet due to that last round of chemo.My oncologist admitted that he may have "overdone it", but hopefully the loss of feeling in my hands and feet should return in about 3 months after treatment.  I'll be going on 8 years soon with this loss of feeling though I've tried multiple programs and therapies for a remedy.  Bottom line..........have them check for any and all possible effects prior to going through the end of the protocol.

    Larry

  • Tryinghard
    Tryinghard Member Posts: 18

    My Chemo treatment

    Prior to treatment, I was in bad shape.  The left tonsil tumor was around my Carotid artery and agressively headed for my spine.  After two PET scans, the team started with Cisplatin and 5FU.  All-in-all, my protocol called for 6 sessions of Cisplatin and 2 full weeks of the 5FU belt.  Also had a couple of bags of Textara mixed in there.  Concurrently with the Chemo, were 35 rounds of radiation.  I went through the entire process.....which was 7 years ago....and was told after 29 rounds of Radiation that the tumor was gone.  I still had to complete one more session of Cisplatin just to make sure, plus finish the 6 more rounds of radiation.  By that time in my life, I was very very sick and Neuropathy had taken over my hands and feet due to that last round of chemo.My oncologist admitted that he may have "overdone it", but hopefully the loss of feeling in my hands and feet should return in about 3 months after treatment.  I'll be going on 8 years soon with this loss of feeling though I've tried multiple programs and therapies for a remedy.  Bottom line..........have them check for any and all possible effects prior to going through the end of the protocol.

    Larry

    Thank you

    He had neuropathy of foot after first three Cisplatin doses while going through radiation.  No one had mentioned this side effect.  Had to wear foot brace and finally he no longer needs the brace. Walking normal again. Right now the after effect of first adjuvant dose my husband is feeling like having no more Cisplatin and 5FU.   

  • Tryinghard
    Tryinghard Member Posts: 18
    edited July 2016 #5
    Barbaraek said:

    We couldn't tolerate the adjuvant

    Our plan was to do 3 cycles of Cisplatin and 5FU after the 35 IMRT radiation and 2 Cisplatin doses. It wasn't meant to be. My husband became extremely neutropenic even with the shot of Neulasta that was supposed to boost up his white blood cell count. Then he had something called recall mucositis which was every bit as bad as the original mucositis. Both his oncologist and I said enough is enough at that point. Statistically the extra Cisplatin+5FU wasn't worth the risk of more neutropenia and side effects for us. My husband is now 1 year out from treatment with no evidence of disease.

    It's a very personal decision. You feel like you want to wring every advantage out of the treatment you can. You might even feel like you are not finishing the race. It was an easy decision for me to say STOP, but a much harder one for my husband. In the end, his doctors are the ones who helped him see the risk/reward ratio and decide not to pursue any more adjuvant chemo.

    Best of luck with your decision.

    Barbara

    Thank you for help

    Yes thought should try a dose and see what happens but now feeling so miserable and throat worse again that rethinkng the decision of going on with two more doses. The set back and start over with side effects is depressing him.  

  • Kenny-
    Kenny- Member Posts: 99 Member
    edited July 2016 #6
    Adjuvant?

    Tryinghard, 

    Is this adjustvant? I feel for your husband's pain. I'm 32 years old and it was 5FU + Cisplatin was pretty unbearable, hard to even get water down. I recalled starting at a cup for 30 minutes trying to get it down for hydration. I did 2 rounds of adjuvant, and Cisplatin only for the 3rd round. The 3rd round was after a very long conversation and debate with the oncologists who got me pursuaded in the end. 

    Permanent side effects: I had none except neuropathy. My neuropathy began after the adjuvant phases (the primary phases I had minimal neuropathy). Today, I still feel tingly sensations on my feet and hands, particularly when it's chilly or hot. I do not have any other side effects. 

    Looking back: With a clear mind now, I'm somewhat glad I did it, although I will not know if it made a difference. The permanent neuropathy damage, and some tinnitus is probably something I can live with as I haven't had other side effects. One thing to be informed of: Jury is still out there for adjuvant chemotherapy for NPC. The effectiveness is still being debated. My oncologists were very insistent as they wanted a cure, since I haven't had any critical organ damage (kidneys). Considering permanent side effects is something you'd want to think about. Hang in there tryinghard. Do you have a PEG? that may help too. I had no PEG and the treatment was quite intolerable. 

    Hang in there, it's close to the end! 

  • Tryinghard
    Tryinghard Member Posts: 18
    edited July 2016 #7
    Kenny- said:

    Adjuvant?

    Tryinghard, 

    Is this adjustvant? I feel for your husband's pain. I'm 32 years old and it was 5FU + Cisplatin was pretty unbearable, hard to even get water down. I recalled starting at a cup for 30 minutes trying to get it down for hydration. I did 2 rounds of adjuvant, and Cisplatin only for the 3rd round. The 3rd round was after a very long conversation and debate with the oncologists who got me pursuaded in the end. 

    Permanent side effects: I had none except neuropathy. My neuropathy began after the adjuvant phases (the primary phases I had minimal neuropathy). Today, I still feel tingly sensations on my feet and hands, particularly when it's chilly or hot. I do not have any other side effects. 

    Looking back: With a clear mind now, I'm somewhat glad I did it, although I will not know if it made a difference. The permanent neuropathy damage, and some tinnitus is probably something I can live with as I haven't had other side effects. One thing to be informed of: Jury is still out there for adjuvant chemotherapy for NPC. The effectiveness is still being debated. My oncologists were very insistent as they wanted a cure, since I haven't had any critical organ damage (kidneys). Considering permanent side effects is something you'd want to think about. Hang in there tryinghard. Do you have a PEG? that may help too. I had no PEG and the treatment was quite intolerable. 

    Hang in there, it's close to the end! 

    Thank you for info

    Yes he has a PEG. Had to have it put in at end of hospitalization. Not doing so well after these first doses. Mouth hurts, hard to swallow, tingling in hands and zoning out at times to point of unaware of what he is doing. 

  • phrannie51
    phrannie51 Member Posts: 4,716
    I had the adjuvant chemo...

    Cisplatin and 35 rads in the beginning....then another 3 Cisplatin/5FU, 3 weeks apart after.  This is where I used my PEG tube exclusively.  My mouth/lips turned to hamburger....I couldn't sip on anything but L-Glutamine in water, as even plain water stung too bad....and I had to sip from a styrofoam cup, because it was soft and didn't hurt my lips.

    I was going to skip the last treatment, but changed my mind the day before....I came out with neuropathy in my hands which I still have 4 years later.  I also had a recurrence last October.  The recurrence wasn't in my throat, tho....it was in the lymph nodes by my collar bone.  For me, making the decision  to go on was something I put off till the last week before the next one....and I based it on how I felt at that time, not on how I felt the first two weeks after the treatment.

  • Tryinghard
    Tryinghard Member Posts: 18
    Vomiting post cisplatin and 5FU adjuvant dose

    Did anyone find something that worked to stop the vomiting?  96 hour dose of 5FU ended last Friday now it is Monday.  Vomiting more often. Tried Zofran first in am. Vomited after coughing within the hour of taking med.  Then took Ativan at 12:30.  All of audden queasy feel after drinking Boost Plus and vomited within an hour of taking med.  

     

  • Barbaraek
    Barbaraek Member Posts: 626
    Boost Breeze

    Was easier for my husband to tolerate when he tried the cisplatin + 5FU. Otherwise you just have to wait it out. It was always worse in the morning for him because of mucous draining down during the night. I truly hope you find some relief soon.

    Barbara

  • Sandraw
    Sandraw Member Posts: 40
    Adjuvant chemo

    I had 33 radiation treatments with 1 x week cisplatin chemo which ended March on St Patrick's Day, started what was planned , 96 hour every 3 weeks Adjuvent cisplatin/5fu in May, had second one June 7th thru 11th. I was unable to tolerate the 3rd, Oncologist refused as I had too severe mucositis, had to use my finger with gauze to brush my teeth, couldn't swallow, bled from the mouth, blood counts were low, with nausea, vomiting. Oncologist suggested doing a PET end of July and then if they saw anything would reconsider 3rd treatment. PET was NED so I didn't need it. Am still recovering from the 2nd adjuvant treatment, neuropathy, sore throat, low hemoglobin. It's a tough treatment. I had stage III Nasopharangeal T1-2N2M0.  Zofran with compazine for nausea and was able to tolerate tube feedings. Lost 30#, trying to regain it is hard due to sore throat but am making myself eat and drinking Boost plus. 

  • mose1952
    mose1952 Member Posts: 3
    edited August 2016 #12
    Finished treatment

     I am 64 and my primary site was left tonsil with bilateral lymph node involvement.  I started treatment in February with 3 rounds of induction chemotherapy ( Cisplatin+5FU and taxotere) 3 weeks apart.  Rough time with the first round, primarily because of mouth sores, but dose lowered on next two rounds and I did okay.  I had a feeding tube inserted at the same time as my port but didn't need it during chemo.  With effort I was able to eat enough and always able to drink plenty of water.  I was given about 4 weeks break before starting 35 bilateral radiation treatments with concurrent weekly infusions of a drug call Erbitux.  I did okay until the 3rd Erbitux infusion which called high temp and horrible body/joint aches, a reaction they tell me is most common in Tennessee.  Strange, since I live in Colorado.  I got better with a lot of steroids and continued treatment.  All food started tasting terrible after about 3 week and I started using the feeding tube exclusively, working with a nutrition service that provided a formula.  This has kept me from losing wt.  I finished radiation the end of June and although my taste is back, I am still not eating because of mouth sores, swallowing issues and the horrible mucus.  I have an appointment with a swallow therapist later this week.  I have started back to work part time and the mucus and mouth sores make talking an issue.  My doctor tells me that the recovery may take longer because of the bilateral radiation but I am ready for the sores to heal and will try some of the remedies I see in this blog.   The salt/soda water soothes but doesn't seem to speed healing and the miracle mouth wash is great for about 20 minutes.

  • Kenny-
    Kenny- Member Posts: 99 Member
    Permanent Side effects clarification

    I should clarify. My statement was misleading. In terms of serious side efects, neuropathy is the only one I know for now. I didn't have kidneys damage, or severe tinnitus (I have some but not so bad).

     

    I do have all the regular side effects though, such as dry mouth - that hasn't came back. It's about 20% saliva of what it used to be. Don't think it's coming back. I also lost a sense of taste, about 50% loss. I can live with those. I don't think the adjuvant affects those though, so I didn't mention it too much.

  • Tryinghard
    Tryinghard Member Posts: 18
    edited August 2016 #14
    Week after first adjuvant treatment

    As the caregiver I feel stressed.  No matter what I try for meds it doesn't seem to work.  Husband still vomitng. Gagging again from throat, mouth and lip sores. Been in the urgent clinic Saturday, Sunday, Tuesday and today for IV hydration. Labs so far looking okay.  Using peg feed for calorie intake as not tolerating the Boost PLus shakes as before.  His mind is in like slow motion. Seems to put off doing things like taking his pills. Doesn't remember to do his mouth rinses 4x a day unless I remind him.  No energy. Is this  normal ? 

  • Barbaraek
    Barbaraek Member Posts: 626
    We had a similar rough experience

    with adjuvant Cisplatin + 5FU, except my husband developed severe neutropenia and was in the hospital for 5 days. Only thing he could keep down and not throw up was Boost Breeze through the PEG tube. Boost Breeze is more of a "clear" liquid than the other Boost products.

    His response to the adjuvant chemo was bad enough that the oncologist recommended we not pursue the remaining two Cisplatin + 5FU doses. To be clear, he had previously had 2 Cisplatin only doses in conjunction with the 35 radiation treatments.

    My husband is a cancer surgeon and we did some significant research on what advantages the extra chemo would lend to his overall prognosis. In his case, the complications from the additional chemo beyond the original treatment plan trumped the slight advantage the extra Cisplatin and 5FU provided and we stopped. Everyone is different though. 

    I recall that extra adjuvant dose as being one of the lowest moments for me as a caregiver, and I empathize with you and am sorry for all that you are going through at present. Eventually, things will turn a corner when you are all done and slowly improve. Please know that you have folks here praying for you and that this is always a good place to come for support.

    Barbara

  • Tryinghard
    Tryinghard Member Posts: 18
    Barbaraek said:

    We had a similar rough experience

    with adjuvant Cisplatin + 5FU, except my husband developed severe neutropenia and was in the hospital for 5 days. Only thing he could keep down and not throw up was Boost Breeze through the PEG tube. Boost Breeze is more of a "clear" liquid than the other Boost products.

    His response to the adjuvant chemo was bad enough that the oncologist recommended we not pursue the remaining two Cisplatin + 5FU doses. To be clear, he had previously had 2 Cisplatin only doses in conjunction with the 35 radiation treatments.

    My husband is a cancer surgeon and we did some significant research on what advantages the extra chemo would lend to his overall prognosis. In his case, the complications from the additional chemo beyond the original treatment plan trumped the slight advantage the extra Cisplatin and 5FU provided and we stopped. Everyone is different though. 

    I recall that extra adjuvant dose as being one of the lowest moments for me as a caregiver, and I empathize with you and am sorry for all that you are going through at present. Eventually, things will turn a corner when you are all done and slowly improve. Please know that you have folks here praying for you and that this is always a good place to come for support.

    Barbara

    Thank you

    He did have 33 doses of radiation with 3 doses of cisplatin on first round. This adjuvant cisplatin and 5FU was suppose to be less toxic but he is having more side effects than before. His mouth is a mess. We are in just about every day for IV hydration. The gagging returned with this dose so then he vomits anything he might of taken in.  If he could control the gag to vomit action he might fare better.  I will have to look for the Boost Breeze as Boost Plus shakes although he seems to tolerate sometimes are very milky.   After all he has been through with initial treatment ending with hospitalization for acute kidney failure this has been awful as he had just began to feel better and a little more like himself.  He returned to square one with this dose and very discouraged.