Full Nephrectomy vs Partial Nephrectomy on a 1.3 cm tumor
Has anyone have any opinions on if having a full Nephrectomy vs a partial lessens the risk of recurrance of a non aggressive 1.3 cm tumor? Also, have been told that the smaller the size of tumor, the risk of recurrance is even lower.
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My choice was easy
Wcco,
When I was nephed 14 years ago they were not doing partials. It was either all or nothing. I have never seen statistics on it, but I have noticed on this and other boards that occaionally RCC later appears on whats left of the partial kidney. Sometimes a partial is a no brainer where there is a problem with the other kidney and/or there are other Kidney issues. Obviously larger tumors must be taken in full, but yours is very small. There is no right or wrong answer. Discuss this with your surgeon and have him explain the pros and cons of each and then make an intellegent decision. A partial is a litlle more difficult as it involnes more cutting so the recovery is the same either way.
Icemantoo
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I guess this is where the 4-5icemantoo said:My choice was easy
Wcco,
When I was nephed 14 years ago they were not doing partials. It was either all or nothing. I have never seen statistics on it, but I have noticed on this and other boards that occaionally RCC later appears on whats left of the partial kidney. Sometimes a partial is a no brainer where there is a problem with the other kidney and/or there are other Kidney issues. Obviously larger tumors must be taken in full, but yours is very small. There is no right or wrong answer. Discuss this with your surgeon and have him explain the pros and cons of each and then make an intellegent decision. A partial is a litlle more difficult as it involnes more cutting so the recovery is the same either way.
Icemantoo
I guess this is where the 4-5% comes in.
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keep this in mind
I had two masses in my right kidney. One was 2.2cm and the other 0.8cm. I had a robotic partial nephrectomy and got to keep more than 95% of my right kidney. You want to keep both of your kidneys if at all possible. Things like high blood pressure and diabetes have more serious consequences when you only have one kidney. Besides what if something were to happen to that other kidney, like some traumatic event or, what if, this turns out not to be cancer? You won't know for sure until they can actually look at the tissue under a microscope.
Here is a video that discusses management of the small renal mass. This was done by a urologist at MD Anderson. It's about 30 minutes long, but there is a lot of really good information in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blUI-ZzcViE
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Medic, I agree with Daisybud!
Wcco, sure seems like a candidate for a partial robotic. Watch medic's video as it is a great resource. My tumor was just over 3 cm and in an almost impossible location near the renal artery, but a great surgeon got it with the robot and spared my kidney!
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Unless the location requires
Unless the location requires a full nephrectomy, I would definitely want partial. Whether robotic, laproscopic, or open, a partial that spares most of your kidney is always preferable. It's a more complex surgery than yanking the whole kidney so make sure you have an expert in partials. Recurrence is always a risk and according to studies comparing the two procedures there's no significant difference whether it's partial or full.
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Partials
I'm quite confident they've got the science to prove that a partial is as effective as a radical at preventing recurrence. They have to do studies to change standards of care, and the standard used to be a radical. They wouldn't be allowed to do a partial unless they've got the data to show the outcomes are as good as a radical.
Given that, a partial is preferred in terms of saving kidney function. On the other hand, not all urologists do partials. It's a trickier surgery. I'd ask about risks, because I have a feeling the risks are slightly higher with a partial. I don't know what precisely the additional risks are. I have a friend that had a partial and his had to be turned into a radical later because of complications with the partial.
I would have probabaly had a partial if I had been eligible. I wasn't. My tumor was located in the center of the kidney and intertwined with all the blood supply enter/leaving the kidney so they couldn't get it out without destroying the kidney.
Best of luck to you,
Todd
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It was the second week after
It was the second week after my partial that I stopped using the oxy they gave me. Tylenol did just fine by then so hang in there for just a little longer. I hated taking it too but it allowed me to walk lots and to sleep through the night. If at all possible, don't rush back to work. Give your body a chance to heal. All the best!
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Thanks for the encouragement
Thanks for the encouragement .I went to Hershey medical center I am really happy with the treatment I got there. The doctor said my cancer was type one. whatever that means but reassured me he got it all and I should have no problems !
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partial nephrectomy
I just had Mine done on may 27 16 still in some pain after a week. I hope it gets better soon I hate taking oxycodone. it makes me tired. Most of the pain is from the one incision used for the robot. I'm not sure if it will get better in time for me to go back to work . I have no bleeding since the surgery.
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Type 1?Lejune Wcv said:Thanks for the encouragement
Thanks for the encouragement .I went to Hershey medical center I am really happy with the treatment I got there. The doctor said my cancer was type one. whatever that means but reassured me he got it all and I should have no problems !
Dunno about that but Grade 1 would mean its a tiddler and you caught it early. Thats brilliant! Whip it out and get on with life. You dont get better news.
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As far as is possible I neverAPny said:Yes, if he meant stage 1 then
Yes, if he meant stage 1 then it's the best possible stage to have. But whenever you're not sure what they mean make sure to ask them to explain. Always advocate for yourself and get as much information as you can.
As far as is possible I never visit the oncologist alone in case I miss, or misinterprate something.
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grade or type
I really didn't listen too carefully to the grade or size. Just that he said it was all gone! I guess this will be my last post I'm really not much of a chatty cathy. Good luck and good health to all. Afterall it is the only thing that really matters.
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