Nutribullet or other juicing do's and dont's

Romulan78
Romulan78 Member Posts: 4
in Lymphoma (Hodgkin and Non-Hodgkin) #1

While going through chemo is there any fruits or veggies or powders that should be avoided? that might harm the chemo's effects? and is there anything that you all recommend? a favorite recipe while on chemo?

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  • Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3
    Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3 Member Posts: 3,819 Member
    #2
    Foods

    Romulan,

    My hematologist, who is Ivy-trained and holds five Board Certifications (Internal Med, Medical Oncology, Hematology, Palliative Medicine, and Geriatrics) told me setting out on chemo, "Eat whatever you feel like."

    There is a constant flow of what will "help the dtrugs" on the internet. What is recommended today will be condemned tomorrow.  Cancer cells are genetically out-of-control cells.  Only powerful, toxic medicins (or radiation) can kill them.  Nuts and berries are of no evidence-based worth.

    Amazingly, even antioxidants are disputed; some studies recommend that they be consumed, others recommend that they be avoided at alll cost.  The current PC fad is more anti-oxidant than pro-anti-oxidant, although all of the health food shows tout anti-oxidants as the best nutrient on the planet for avoiding cancer.

    I lost all appetite mid-way through six months of infusions (I received no steroids, which make a huge difference in this matter), and lived the last three months mostly on green tea (full of anti-oxidants), breakfast drink, and french fries.  My meds worked rapidly and successfully.

    Favorite recipe: Extra chrispy french fries in fresh canola oil, slightly burnt, for additional crunch.  A BLT occasionally, when I could handle it.

    max

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  • Romulan78
    Romulan78 Member Posts: 4
    #3
    Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3 said:

    Foods

    Romulan,

    My hematologist, who is Ivy-trained and holds five Board Certifications (Internal Med, Medical Oncology, Hematology, Palliative Medicine, and Geriatrics) told me setting out on chemo, "Eat whatever you feel like."

    There is a constant flow of what will "help the dtrugs" on the internet. What is recommended today will be condemned tomorrow.  Cancer cells are genetically out-of-control cells.  Only powerful, toxic medicins (or radiation) can kill them.  Nuts and berries are of no evidence-based worth.

    Amazingly, even antioxidants are disputed; some studies recommend that they be consumed, others recommend that they be avoided at alll cost.  The current PC fad is more anti-oxidant than pro-anti-oxidant, although all of the health food shows tout anti-oxidants as the best nutrient on the planet for avoiding cancer.

    I lost all appetite mid-way through six months of infusions (I received no steroids, which make a huge difference in this matter), and lived the last three months mostly on green tea (full of anti-oxidants), breakfast drink, and french fries.  My meds worked rapidly and successfully.

    Favorite recipe: Extra chrispy french fries in fresh canola oil, slightly burnt, for additional crunch.  A BLT occasionally, when I could handle it.

    max

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    Thank you Max, good info.

    Thank you Max, good info.

  • Jeff148
    Jeff148 Member Posts: 184
    #4
    Taco Bell

    Max, your description of fries made my stomach growl. My onc told me to be careful, but that I could eat anything as well. I would buy organic veggies and tripple wash and soak them and make my green drinks. I used kale, spinich, chard, carrots and half an apple. Never tasted very good. My go to meal was taco bell or just a plain grilled cheese. Fries were usually in the mix too. My only worry on the green drinks was the internet saying that it would counter-act the chemo. 

  • Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3
    Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3 Member Posts: 3,819 Member
    #5
    Jeff148 said:

    Taco Bell

    Max, your description of fries made my stomach growl. My onc told me to be careful, but that I could eat anything as well. I would buy organic veggies and tripple wash and soak them and make my green drinks. I used kale, spinich, chard, carrots and half an apple. Never tasted very good. My go to meal was taco bell or just a plain grilled cheese. Fries were usually in the mix too. My only worry on the green drinks was the internet saying that it would counter-act the chemo. 

    Friend

    Thanks Jeff.

    We are on the same page. I am health-conscious, have never smoked in my life, and try to do the common sense stuff to stay healthy.  What irritates me is the fanaticism and rigid attitudes that some dieticians express (often with scientifically out of date information).

    Many cancer patients become clinically aneroxic, as a result of the drugs (I did). A friend was stricken with HL as a teen in high school back in the 1970s. He went on the old MOPP drug combo, and lost all appetite. He had been a line backer, and went from around 250 to 125.  He  said all that he could eat or stomach for months was pot pie -- nothing else. Nausea drugs were not as good then as they are now.  It was eat pot pie or die, in effect.   This happens to a lot of people, but not many who are on steroids, one of the main reason for is specifically appetite stimulation.  Oncologists know they are in a life-and detah struggle wioth the disease.  Better for the patient to eat something than nothing.  C-rations in the army, when crawling through the jungle, are better than worms for dinner.   The posh, PC dinners and diet can come later,when the patient is well again.

    Another story:  When my friend Gary was dying in hospice with prostate cancer a year ago September, for instance, his daughter brought him a milk shake, which he had requested.  Another friend came in and pulled me aside and said,  

    "She is sooo stupid ! Gary needs healthy foods ! Sugar will 'feed the cancer' !"

    Obviously, the "friend" was an idiot, a literal moron.

    Gary died two days later. The milkshake was the last food or drink that ever passed his lips.   Bless his daughter for giving it to him.  Maybe the "friend" will get in touch with common sense or reality some day, maybe not. (Many never do link up with common sense or rationality.)

    max

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