Asparagus- A cancer cure?

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  • Rocquie
    Rocquie Member Posts: 869 Member
    illead said:

    We're still here

    Just wanted to say hi.  I got tired of seeing all my yakking and figured everyone else was too, np (just being female Embarassed), but I read the posts everyday.  It is so nice to have you back John, you were sorely missed.  Sorry about the flagging problems, can't people just decide to read or not to read?  Can't figure that out.  Oh well.  It's a little past on this posting but I wanted to say something about  the pesticide thing.  Bill's Mantle Cell is very rare and mainly targets men from 60-65. Bill was 62 at dx in 2011. They still don't know much about it, but in my research I have found discussions on possibilities of it being caused by pesticides.  The earmark of MCL is chromosome damage.  We have both lived in the agricultural Sac Valley all our lives.  As a kid Bill always played in the orchards where parathion and malathion were used without regulation plus who knows what else.  Also the mosquito abatement man would make runs through the neighborhoods fogging the whole street with DDT.  Most of the kids, including Bill, would chase the jeep down the street and play in the fog.  My parents had a few more brain cells and made us go in the house, much to our chagrin, (the smell was wonderful).  We live in a small twin city area with the closest town 25 miles away and we have a giant state of the art cancer center out of UC Davis that is very busy and well spoken of in the medical field around the country.

    Just sayin, Becky

    Hi Becky (and Bill)

    Good to see you! I guess we all got busy during the holidays, but maybe we can get back to some good discussions now.

    Yes, I remember those mosquito trucks. I thought that stuff smelled horrible. It burned my eyes and made me cough. And when the trucks didn't come around, my Mother was spraying us with repellent. She still uses that stuff as well as having "ChemLawn" come every month to spray her yard and Orkin to spray inside her house. 

    Myself, I'm not scared of bugs or weeds. We have never used chemicals in our yard or home. When my Mother visits, she is always amazed by how many birds we have in our yard, even though we don't have any feeders. Yes, they can find bugs and worms to eat!

    Don't be a stranger,

    Rocquie

     

  • COBRA666 said:

    Cobra Name

    . No. I have 2 Shelby Cobra cars. I tried to use 66 cobra for the years of the cars. It would not let me so I tried cobra 66 and still would not let me. I added another 6 and it went thru and now I am stuck with it. John

    Very Cool

    My first car was a 66 Mustang, just not a Cobra.

  • COBRA666
    COBRA666 Member Posts: 2,401 Member
    first car

      My wifes first car was a 66 Mustang as well. It had a 289 engine. Her next car was also a 66 Mustang with a shot engine and transmission. We bought it that way on purpose. I put a Boss 302 engine and tranny in it. It was fast !!!! My first car was a 1948 Chevy pick-up with a 6 cylinder and would not get out of it's own way. Wouldn't do 60 mph even if you ran it off  the Montgomery Ward skyscraper. The mechanical fuel pump was so weak it cut off if I took a turn too fast. I spray painted it Caterpillar yellow and pin striped the runs. I was the hit of my 10th grade prom with that truck, my pink carnation, tuxedo coat and blue jeans and tennis shoes. I even put a real outhouse in the bed and drove around town for a couple of months. BUT...... IT WAS MINE AND I LOVED IT!!!! The 2 Cobras are not Mustangs,  they are Carroll Shelby Cobras. I have a pic of one of them on the 3rd page of my expressions page.  John

  • illead
    illead Member Posts: 884 Member
    Rocquie said:

    Hi Becky (and Bill)

    Good to see you! I guess we all got busy during the holidays, but maybe we can get back to some good discussions now.

    Yes, I remember those mosquito trucks. I thought that stuff smelled horrible. It burned my eyes and made me cough. And when the trucks didn't come around, my Mother was spraying us with repellent. She still uses that stuff as well as having "ChemLawn" come every month to spray her yard and Orkin to spray inside her house. 

    Myself, I'm not scared of bugs or weeds. We have never used chemicals in our yard or home. When my Mother visits, she is always amazed by how many birds we have in our yard, even though we don't have any feeders. Yes, they can find bugs and worms to eat!

    Don't be a stranger,

    Rocquie

     

    Hi Roquie

    I asked Bill and he remembers it being very sweet smelling.  I have no clue why.  The years would be around 54 to 57 or longer.  Perhaps it was a different poison.  Know how you feel about the birds etc.  Whenever they are dead on their backs (insects too ) they've been poisoned.  We hate it.  Of course you need to be balanced, we can't get overrun, but you don't need napalm.  I have to say, I have to grit my teeth when the starlings eat every last fig off our tree!  The cancer center just called and scheduled Bill for his last rituxan in Feb and a CT scan.  He will be 2 yrs. in remission.  Yay!

    Thinking of you, Becky

  • COBRA666 said:

    Cobra Name

    . No. I have 2 Shelby Cobra cars. I tried to use 66 cobra for the years of the cars. It would not let me so I tried cobra 66 and still would not let me. I added another 6 and it went thru and now I am stuck with it. John

    Cobras

    Not one but two? Now there's a man who knows what he likes! The 427 Shelby Cobra has always been my dream car. I had a few fast cars but nothing like that. I had a 1940 Ford coupe with a 400 cubic inch Buick engine was back when and bucket T roadster with a 327-350.

    Cancer has really changed my life. I sold the sports car, sold the motorcycle and just bought a new Cadillac (old guy car, but very sporty for a sedan). I am definitely getting older though all the same drives are still there. I hurt all the time. Really changes a guy.

  • Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3
    Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3 Member Posts: 3,819 Member
    COBRA666 said:

    Cobra Name

    . No. I have 2 Shelby Cobra cars. I tried to use 66 cobra for the years of the cars. It would not let me so I tried cobra 66 and still would not let me. I added another 6 and it went thru and now I am stuck with it. John

    Snake Owner

    John,

    In 1973 my brother had a 68 Shelby GT 500 (Mustang), which came from the factory with a 428, factory roll cage, 5-point seat belts, sequential turn signals, etc. Dual four barrels from the factory. It was far from pristine, but even in its condition would be worth at least $60,000 today (he lost it in a divorce the next year) . I met a dentist with two NEW (I think they were 2009 model) Mustang Shelby GT 500s. He said he would WAY rather have my brother's old car, which makes sense.  My brother also had a 68 Mustang GT fastback, highly tricked out, T-10 toploader, etc . Rusty even then, and he essentially dogged it into the junkyard .  As if that were not enough, a 68 Thunderbird two door, with a 429 "Thunderjet" engine. The 429 was first introduced by Ford in the 68 T-Bird, hence the name "Thunder." By the next year you could get the engine in Mustangs, Torinos, and even in the LTD (I have a buddy with a 69 LTD with the 429).

    At local car shows I see numerous Cobra kit cars, which are stunning. Not from the original years, but amazing, and ultra powerful in the engine compartment.  So close to identical that a non-expert could not tell them apart.

    I have a lowly 70 LTD two-door with a 351. I piddle with it when I can . Needs paint, which I will get to when I can .  I was at a show when I met the friend I mentioned above. I was looking at his 69 LTD and said to him, "I have a 70, same body style. He said "Two door?" and I said "yea." He asked what color, and I said "White, like yours." He asked what color top, and I said "blue, like yours." He asked what color interior, and I said "blue, like yours."  The two cars are virtually identical, except for engines and being one year apart.  What were the chances of a meeting like that ?  I have owned the 70 for six or seven years now, and have not seen but three other 70s during that whole time, and then see a 69 that is virtually identical.  I bought mine from the daughter of the original owner. Her dad had bought it new locally.  She said it was the car she had learned to drive in, and she was crying like a baby when I put it on the car trailer and pulled it out of her yard.

    .

  • Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3
    Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3 Member Posts: 3,819 Member
    illead said:

    We're still here

    Just wanted to say hi.  I got tired of seeing all my yakking and figured everyone else was too, np (just being female Embarassed), but I read the posts everyday.  It is so nice to have you back John, you were sorely missed.  Sorry about the flagging problems, can't people just decide to read or not to read?  Can't figure that out.  Oh well.  It's a little past on this posting but I wanted to say something about  the pesticide thing.  Bill's Mantle Cell is very rare and mainly targets men from 60-65. Bill was 62 at dx in 2011. They still don't know much about it, but in my research I have found discussions on possibilities of it being caused by pesticides.  The earmark of MCL is chromosome damage.  We have both lived in the agricultural Sac Valley all our lives.  As a kid Bill always played in the orchards where parathion and malathion were used without regulation plus who knows what else.  Also the mosquito abatement man would make runs through the neighborhoods fogging the whole street with DDT.  Most of the kids, including Bill, would chase the jeep down the street and play in the fog.  My parents had a few more brain cells and made us go in the house, much to our chagrin, (the smell was wonderful).  We live in a small twin city area with the closest town 25 miles away and we have a giant state of the art cancer center out of UC Davis that is very busy and well spoken of in the medical field around the country.

    Just sayin, Becky

    Please

    Becky,

    Please yak more !  I never knew anyone who did not like your yaks.  I had my share of "environmental toxins."  I grew up in Charleston, SC, which is in heavy swampland, and extremely hot and humid. The spray trucks used to roll past every night. *(I no longer live in that area.) Then I went into the Navy as a submarine weapons-systems tech, and did a fair amount of work on nukes . I do not attribute my sickness to that, since the radiation is very closely monitored and restricted, but no one can know, really, if it had some effect or not.   I also did a month and a half in the hospital after my 1986 wreck, and my hospital bill had 118 (static) X-rays on it, most of which were to the chest. Plus, I had to have a lot of x-rays on my leg after discharge. Lymphoma is one of the cancers that is of essentially unknown causality. Maybe someday....  Radiation causes mostly leukemia and thyroid cancers .

    Please yak regularly.

    max

  • Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3
    Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3 Member Posts: 3,819 Member
    COBRA666 said:

    first car

      My wifes first car was a 66 Mustang as well. It had a 289 engine. Her next car was also a 66 Mustang with a shot engine and transmission. We bought it that way on purpose. I put a Boss 302 engine and tranny in it. It was fast !!!! My first car was a 1948 Chevy pick-up with a 6 cylinder and would not get out of it's own way. Wouldn't do 60 mph even if you ran it off  the Montgomery Ward skyscraper. The mechanical fuel pump was so weak it cut off if I took a turn too fast. I spray painted it Caterpillar yellow and pin striped the runs. I was the hit of my 10th grade prom with that truck, my pink carnation, tuxedo coat and blue jeans and tennis shoes. I even put a real outhouse in the bed and drove around town for a couple of months. BUT...... IT WAS MINE AND I LOVED IT!!!! The 2 Cobras are not Mustangs,  they are Carroll Shelby Cobras. I have a pic of one of them on the 3rd page of my expressions page.  John

    Stangs

    My aunt has a 64 1/2 Mustang in her yard, with a 289 engine. Her husband's car, who went senile and has since died. It was nice ten years ago, but has rusted apart since.  People and cars: both fall apart.

  • COBRA666
    COBRA666 Member Posts: 2,401 Member

    Snake Owner

    John,

    In 1973 my brother had a 68 Shelby GT 500 (Mustang), which came from the factory with a 428, factory roll cage, 5-point seat belts, sequential turn signals, etc. Dual four barrels from the factory. It was far from pristine, but even in its condition would be worth at least $60,000 today (he lost it in a divorce the next year) . I met a dentist with two NEW (I think they were 2009 model) Mustang Shelby GT 500s. He said he would WAY rather have my brother's old car, which makes sense.  My brother also had a 68 Mustang GT fastback, highly tricked out, T-10 toploader, etc . Rusty even then, and he essentially dogged it into the junkyard .  As if that were not enough, a 68 Thunderbird two door, with a 429 "Thunderjet" engine. The 429 was first introduced by Ford in the 68 T-Bird, hence the name "Thunder." By the next year you could get the engine in Mustangs, Torinos, and even in the LTD (I have a buddy with a 69 LTD with the 429).

    At local car shows I see numerous Cobra kit cars, which are stunning. Not from the original years, but amazing, and ultra powerful in the engine compartment.  So close to identical that a non-expert could not tell them apart.

    I have a lowly 70 LTD two-door with a 351. I piddle with it when I can . Needs paint, which I will get to when I can .  I was at a show when I met the friend I mentioned above. I was looking at his 69 LTD and said to him, "I have a 70, same body style. He said "Two door?" and I said "yea." He asked what color, and I said "White, like yours." He asked what color top, and I said "blue, like yours." He asked what color interior, and I said "blue, like yours."  The two cars are virtually identical, except for engines and being one year apart.  What were the chances of a meeting like that ?  I have owned the 70 for six or seven years now, and have not seen but three other 70s during that whole time, and then see a 69 that is virtually identical.  I bought mine from the daughter of the original owner. Her dad had bought it new locally.  She said it was the car she had learned to drive in, and she was crying like a baby when I put it on the car trailer and pulled it out of her yard.

    .

    messing with old cars

    Max,

      I have piddled with cars all my life. My oldest son has a 32 Ford in our garage that he is converting to a 32 coupe that was used in the movie American Grafitti. The only problem is he lives in Pa. and only gets to work on it on his limited visits to NC. Maybe one day he will move here. He loves working on it. I love helping him. John 

  • Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3
    Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3 Member Posts: 3,819 Member
    unknown said:

    Health nut

    Interesting conversation. I have always been slim, fit, very active and eaten a good diet high in fruits and vegetables. I also have used vitamins and food supplements for many years. I have relatives who are just the opposite. Even though they are older than me and overweight (several smoke) I have cancer and they do not. My brother is a microbiologist. He recommends to not overdo the fresh fruit and vegetables, especially those which are imported, as they may contain chemicals. Canned vegetables and fruit contain BPA from the lining of the can. Bottled water has BPA. Best advice is don't eat a lot of ANYTHING and don't make the assumption that all fruits and vegetables are good for you. Avoid bottled water and fruit juices.  Really, other the vitamins you get in a small serving, fruit juice is no better than soda. It raises triglycerides and can contribute heavily to heart disease and diabetes. Also we must accept the probability that some cancers are naturally occuring, either genetic or otherwise. I am amused by the paleo "caveman" diet. The average caveman appears to have lived about 25 years!

    Foods

    GKH,

    I agree with all you have written on this topic. I was listening to a health show on the radio about a year ago. The guest was a nutrition writer/expert, who is also into "holistic health." She had come down with late-stage cancer, and her oncologist recommended immediate chemo. She decided on "herbal treatments" instead, coupled with yoga-meditation, in which she "visualized the elimination of the cancer cells from her body."  She was soon much worse and began chemo in the hospital soon thereafter, and gained full remission.

    Jim Fixx, the Run for Your Heart author who preached how to keep a healthy heart into old age via exercise and diet, died at the age of 52, while running !  Of a heart attack !  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Fixx  His arteries were mostly massively clogged, and he was the world's authority on "how to avoid coronary heart disease !"

    People in our "junk food" USA now live longer than they have ever lived before, although obesity is a huge epidemic.  I am perplexed when some authors complain that women get poorer health care in the US than men, when women on average consistently live about five years longer than men.  I can't  "do that math"  in such a way that the statistics woprk out.

    My grandma out on the Kansas farm used to have a rhyme about eating our vegtables (frersh from the garden in their yard):

    "Eat first what you don't like, then what you do." My grandpa always replied" Eat what you like, and stick the rest in your pocket."
    PS: He outlived grandma by many years.

    People cling to nutrition theories for a sense of control; they want to feel like life is not random, like they can do something. It is a psychological mechanism that yields comfort.  I eat as healthy as I am comfortable with, have never smoked in my life, etc.  

    But it is still the luck of the draw....

    max

  • illead
    illead Member Posts: 884 Member
    Ahh thanks Max

    You are so kind, I will keep yakking.  Yeow Max, you must walk around glowing with all that radiation in you, my goodness.  Think I have said it before, you have got to be the miracle man.  Bill reminded me that we also have a huge radar facility, Pave Paws, at our airforce base here (Beale) and it can spot a football 300 miles out in the Pacific.  It's 15 miles away, pointed right at us.....nice. Cool  Probably another reason for our lucrative cancer center! Frown

    Becky

     

  • COBRA666
    COBRA666 Member Posts: 2,401 Member
    illead said:

    Ahh thanks Max

    You are so kind, I will keep yakking.  Yeow Max, you must walk around glowing with all that radiation in you, my goodness.  Think I have said it before, you have got to be the miracle man.  Bill reminded me that we also have a huge radar facility, Pave Paws, at our airforce base here (Beale) and it can spot a football 300 miles out in the Pacific.  It's 15 miles away, pointed right at us.....nice. Cool  Probably another reason for our lucrative cancer center! Frown

    Becky

     

    radiation

    Becky,

      If you or anyone of us thinks the government cares about how much radiation our bodys are taking in...Well we got another thing coming, Right ?  BTW: If that radar is that strong you think maybe it could find the Wilson volleyball that Tom Hanks lost in Castaway. LOL   JOHN

  • illead
    illead Member Posts: 884 Member
    Nah

    They could care less.  Hey that's a good idea about Wilson tho Laughing Sorry again for the flagging.  Even when you mind your manners, you can't win for losing.

    Becky

  • COBRA666
    COBRA666 Member Posts: 2,401 Member
    illead said:

    Nah

    They could care less.  Hey that's a good idea about Wilson tho Laughing Sorry again for the flagging.  Even when you mind your manners, you can't win for losing.

    Becky

    It's terrible with the flagging

    Would you believe they even tried flagging my Garden Party response. Cry We had a self appointed first amendment flagger a couple years back as well, but she went into remission and left skid marks. Believe me and sad to say, but she will be back if something pops up. They ALWAYS do. Wink John

  • illead
    illead Member Posts: 884 Member
    COBRA666 said:

    It's terrible with the flagging

    Would you believe they even tried flagging my Garden Party response. Cry We had a self appointed first amendment flagger a couple years back as well, but she went into remission and left skid marks. Believe me and sad to say, but she will be back if something pops up. They ALWAYS do. Wink John

    Ridiculous

    It's too bad we can't flag flaggers

  • COBRA666
    COBRA666 Member Posts: 2,401 Member
    illead said:

    Ridiculous

    It's too bad we can't flag flaggers

    Now come on, Becky.  That would be Politically incorrect and we can't have that in this New exciting America. The minority flagger would have their feelings hurt and there would be  trouble. In the New America the minority vote rules.  I know that statement will be taken the wrong way because of the one word I used. Ever notice when a person is convicted of a crime they get to appeal until doomsday, but after they get an acquital the case is over and the person the crime was committed against has NO recourse. Of course this is ignorant rhetoric according to a few on here. All is takes is one person who is offended and ZIP, I am flagged. I think I see some drones flying over right now and a couple of black SUV's coming down the driveway. I have an idea, why don't they flag the whole site and maybe Lymphoma will go away. I am on the soapbox again, but it's just the way it is. As someone else has said on here they could live even without the site. I am in the same boat as them. I never cared for anyone telling me what I could or could not say. May as well live in a Communist country.....HMMMMM!!!   John

  • Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3
    Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3 Member Posts: 3,819 Member
    COBRA666 said:

    messing with old cars

    Max,

      I have piddled with cars all my life. My oldest son has a 32 Ford in our garage that he is converting to a 32 coupe that was used in the movie American Grafitti. The only problem is he lives in Pa. and only gets to work on it on his limited visits to NC. Maybe one day he will move here. He loves working on it. I love helping him. John 

    54

     

    My brother today has an unrestored 54 F100 my grandfather had on the Kansas farm. It was the first year for the overhead V8.  It had a windshield washer -- the resevoir from the factory was a mason jar screwed on to the firewall !  I suppose this has not much to do with asparagus curing cancer, so enough about cars for now.

  • Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3
    Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3 Member Posts: 3,819 Member
    Rocquie said:

    Paleo

    GKH, I am also amused by the paleo diet craze. Especially when I see recipes for paleo pie crust, paleo brownies, paleo ice cream. Ha-ha-ha.

    And yes, I believe you are right and that variety is very important in our diets.

     

    Chiefs

    My chiefs in the Navy had a three-staple diet:  Cigarettes, coffee, and beer (in no particular order) .  One died underway on a boat, and they had to helovac his body to a surface vessel.  Another (the ship's Corpsman), died at 38 (while ashore) from a heart attack, after a 20-year, four-pack-a-day Marlboro habit.  Cigarettes, of course, kill a lot more smokers via heart disease than via cancer.

  • Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3
    Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3 Member Posts: 3,819 Member
    illead said:

    Ahh thanks Max

    You are so kind, I will keep yakking.  Yeow Max, you must walk around glowing with all that radiation in you, my goodness.  Think I have said it before, you have got to be the miracle man.  Bill reminded me that we also have a huge radar facility, Pave Paws, at our airforce base here (Beale) and it can spot a football 300 miles out in the Pacific.  It's 15 miles away, pointed right at us.....nice. Cool  Probably another reason for our lucrative cancer center! Frown

    Becky

     

    Radar

    Becky,

    I was stationed on a surface vessel for about a year, and my GQ station was on the superstructure, standing just behind a navagational radar twirling round and round.  I did some research on it and every engineer stated that it would be harmless.  They may have been correct, since larger yachts used the same model, usually mounted near the flying bridge.  Who knows .  Maybe that is another reason why I have what the dog food commercial describes as a "high-pro glow ?"

    max

  • COBRA666
    COBRA666 Member Posts: 2,401 Member

    54

     

    My brother today has an unrestored 54 F100 my grandfather had on the Kansas farm. It was the first year for the overhead V8.  It had a windshield washer -- the resevoir from the factory was a mason jar screwed on to the firewall !  I suppose this has not much to do with asparagus curing cancer, so enough about cars for now.

    Cars

    Max,

      I know it's nothing to do with asparagus, but it keeps the mind off cancer for a while.  It's not a good thing to talk cancer everyday, at least I don't think so anyway. Talking healthy subjects just may be what so many need. I know  the people on here have Lymphoma or know someone close that has it. I am sure they don't walk around the house talking Lymphoma all the time. I am fully aware when someone is first diagnosed it is overwelming to say the least. I was there as well. IF I had to talk Lymphoma everyday I would not have 2300 posts. After we assure them that Lymphoma is very treatable and they have calmed down a bit most just disappear and never hear from them again. I said most, not all disappear. As I was saying before I have clicked on to other cancer threads and most are very depressing. For some reason this was the only cancer board that offered any humor at all. I believe that is what helped members post more than they do now. I do not see any humor at all on the Lymphoma site anymore. This is my opinion only. I get on and notice at times there are upwards of 30 people on this site at a time and nobody posts anything. As a matter of fact there are 34 on line right now. That is their choice of course. I am just making a point. Maybe I am just rambling here, but it's the way I feel. Take Care,  John