Sugar?

thxmiker said:

Most Docotrs and most

Most Docotrs and most research believe that sugar adds to the growth of all of the diegestive system cancers.   We cut out all processed white sugar and use a little molasses or honey when we want something sweet. Obviously they are sugars, but they are less processed and easier to digest. 

 

I stopped all processed foods in our diet. This helped my health a lot. 

 

Best Always,  mike

John23 said:

Sugar.....

Sit back and watch the debate (again).

 

Sugar –does not- feed cancer. The cancer cell uses more sugar than an ordinary good cell, because the cancer cell can not take orders from the body/brain to limit it’s uptake of glucose. The cancer cell can be said to “steal” the glucose away from the good cells that need it to survive.

 

Eliminating sugar will  not do a damned thing to fight cancer, but eliminating it –will- starve your good cells that require it for survival and growth.

 

A cancer cell is a good cell that’s been damaged to the point of death, where it can no longer receive instructions from your body/brain for it’s survival. The now defective cell is not expelled from our system by our immune system (for whatever reason) and instead begins to stay alive using the fermentation process. The fermentation process uses glucose for survival and expels lactic acid as it’s waste. Your liver converts lactic acid back to glucose, adding to the supply that the cancer cells (and the rest of your body needs).

 

If/when the cancer cells grow large enough (tumors), more glucose is used by the cancer faster than the glucose can be used by the good cells. The reason for that? The good cells are taking instructions from the brain to only take as much as they require, while the cancer cells receive no instructions; they run rampant and uncontrolled.

 

The bottom line? No-one should eliminate from their diet what is normal for growth and health. Glucose is a normal and natural requirement; sugar substitutes and other products that are “sweeter than  sugar” are -not- normal for our bodies and can be detrimental to what is required for good health.

 

Forget the bologna about "white sugar", but do eat a well rounded diet the way we were intended to.

 

Best wishes,

 

John

How many articles and different research studies does one need to read?   http://www.naturalnews.com/041232_cancer_cells_processed_sugar_research.html

Sugar is bad for us!  I think there is a valid argument that over use of sugar can and does feed any digestive system cancer.

Best Always,  mike

PS  I am going to see a TCM Doctor in two weeks.  

Bluejuniata said:

Hi, Pete,
I'm on a ketogenic

Hi, Pete,

I'm on a ketogenic diet and was wondering if you could tell me about your book? I am intrigued by the yogurt, blueberries and red wine! Actually, I'm allergic o dairy so it makes things a bit more challenging. I am going to read your blog. Thanks so much for any and all help. Susan.

elaine cantin wrote a book w a keotgenic diet routine and she cuts out all dairy - so you might want to check on tit

John23 said:

To all - -

Sugar Cane

Cane stalks are shredded and squeezed to extract it natural juice, which is boiled until it thickens and molasses-rich sugar crystals begin to settle. The molasses-rich crystals are sent to a rapidly spinning centrifuge to remove molasses and leave pure naturally white sugar crystals. The sugar crystals are then dried. It is important to note that cane sugar is neither chemically altered nor bleached to achieve its naturally white color.

Sugar is a carbohydrate. The body's primary source of energy is from carbohydrates. All vital organs – brain, heart, liver – need carbohydrates to meet their energy demands. Carbohydrates, including sugar, also play key roles in muscle function, growth and regulation of body temperature.

Sugar Beets

After washing, sugar beets are sliced and soaked in hot water to begin the process that separates sugar from the rest of the plant. The hot sugary liquid is filtered, concentrated to a deep brown syrup, whose color is due to its high molasses content. The molasses – rich syrup is allowed to cool slightly before it is whirled in a centrifuge – a large perforated basket spinning very rapidly much like a washing machine in the spin cycle – where most of the molasses is spun away. At the end, hot water is sprayed over the light brown crystals to remove the remaining molasses, leaving pure naturally white sugar crystals. The sugar crystals are then dried. It is important to note that beet sugar is neither chemically altered nor bleached to achieve its naturally white color.

(Read more at:

http://www.sugar.org/sugar-basics/how-we-get-sugar.html)

It’s interesting how many seem to believe the food industry’s hyperbole regarding “sugar”. The environmentalist’s hate the farming, and the industry seeks a less expensive substance, while health freaks insist that we all should “watch our weight” and use sugar substitutes to lessen our calorie intake....

Our body knows how to react to natural substances and has trouble with “man-made” garbage. Trying to fool mom nature by eating things like “stavia” that will trick the body into  thinking it’s getting a ton of sugar when it isn’t, only causes spikes in insulin production when it’s not needed. And we wonder why diabetes is on the rise?

Common sense should prevail. Sugar isn’t the “cause” of any malady, and it isn’t “processed” as your tasty frozen healthy chosen TV dinners are.......

We really oughta’ get a grip....

(just  sayin’)

Best wishes,

John

 

Sugar is a carbohydrate. The body's primary source of energy is from carbohydrates. All vital organs – brain, heart, liver – need carbohydrates to meet their energy demands. Carbohydrates, including sugar, also play key roles in muscle function, growth and regulation of body temperature.

True BUT: You are again leaving out an important part of the metabolic process. When there are little or no carbohydrates, ALL vital organs including the brain switch to a ketone based metabolism. Once in ketosis, your body no longer needs glucose and ketone bodies become the primary source of energy. Normal cells can quite happily function without glucose. Cancer cells on the other hand have a very hard time surviving without it.

Think about the implications.

renw said:

Sugar is a carbohydrate. The

Sugar is a carbohydrate. The body's primary source of energy is from carbohydrates. All vital organs – brain, heart, liver – need carbohydrates to meet their energy demands. Carbohydrates, including sugar, also play key roles in muscle function, growth and regulation of body temperature.

True BUT: You are again leaving out an important part of the metabolic process. When there are little or no carbohydrates, ALL vital organs including the brain switch to a ketone based metabolism. Once in ketosis, your body no longer needs glucose and ketone bodies become the primary source of energy. Normal cells can quite happily function without glucose. Cancer cells on the other hand have a very hard time surviving without it.

Think about the implications.

Some helpful links?

Our results suggest that the fate of normal human cells should be considered in evaluating nutrient deprivation as a strategy for cancer therapy

The Journal of Cell Biology

http://jcb.rupress.org/content/178/1/93.full

Cancer cells need food to survive and grow. They're very good at getting it, too, even when nutrients are scarce. Many scientists have tried killing cancer cells by taking away their favorite food, a sugar called glucose. Unfortunately, this treatment approach not only fails to work, it backfires -- glucose-starved tumors actually get more aggressive.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130131144427.htm

Here, we found that depletion of glucose killed normal human cells irrespective of induced MYC activity and by a mechanism different from apoptosis.

http://jcb.rupress.org/content/178/1/93.full

To move to Ketogenic survival; to force the body to survive on ketone rather than it’s natural survival means, is to stress the body needlessly.

And to what gain? The cancer cells will again form, since the body’s immune system will again neglect to remove the damaged cells that survive by the fermentation process.

Temporary fixes are fine, if there’s an ulterior motive to follow. The body will not survive for too long while it’s dependent on surviving in it’s emergency state. We need glucose to survive naturally.

This topic has been hashed and re-hashed. Even with proof of this theory’s failure, it manages to continue being broadcast to those that are in fear of dying.

I guess it may be time to go the “juicing gals” route….. quit trying to fight windmills and put away the Don Quixote gear….

Good luck with whatever you’re  doing. I truly hope you have as much success with your choice as I have had with mine so far.

(always subject to change, however)

Be well,

John

lp1964 said:

Once and for all.

The average person, healthy or sick, consumes many times the healthy amount of carbohydrates in the last few decades and we see the results: obesity, diabetes, arteriosclerosis, heart disease and other degenerative diseases. No matter how common it became recently, it's not normal to have pastry with sugared up coffee or sweet cerial for breakfest, pasta for lunch with sweet ice tea and stake with starchy potatoes for dinner and dessert. Through in some chocolate, candy bar, cookies, sodas for snack and you have got a problem.

I believe that both cancer and healthy cells will get the glucose they need since our body can make glucose out of anything, fat, protein, probaly even from Folfox lol.

Cancer no cancer it makes sense to reduce your carbo intake to the minimum.

Laz

I think most of us don't eat as much sweets as you showed above, I myself drink coffee black.  That being said lot of carbohydrates come from eating processed bread in our daily habits, I myself don't eat bread because I simply don't care for it.  

Again, cancer is going to kill me some day, be it next year or ten years down the road, and I am going to enjoy myself whether it be food, flying a Cessna (I could die in an airplane crash) going to DisneyWorld (I could fall off a ride and die), skiing (I could hit a tree and die), motorcycle riding (I could crash and die)etc., for me, now is not a time to limit things I enjoy unless it hurts someone else or me, sweets are not going to do that in the foreseeable future.  

Winter Marie

manwithnoname said:

A true story...

PREFACE

One morning at breakfast, the autumn of 1955, my explorer-anthropologist husband, Vilhjalmur Stefansson, asked me if he might return to the Stone Age Eskimo sort of all-meat diet he had thrived on during the most active part of his arctic work. Two years before, he had suffered a mild cerebral thrombosis, from which he had practically recovered. But he had not yet succeeded in losing the ten pounds of overweight his doctor wanted him to be rid of. By will power and near starvation, he had now and then lost a few of them; but the pounds always came back when his will power broke down. Doubtless partly through these failures, Stef had grown a bit unhappy, at times grouchy.

My first reaction to his Stone Age diet proposal was dismay. I have three jobs. I lecture, in and out of town, and enjoy the innumerable extracurricular activities of our New England college town of Hanover, New Hampshire. Forenoons I write books about the arctic, "for teen-agers and uninformed adults," to be able to afford the luxury of being librarian afternoons of the large polar library my husband and I acquired when we were free-lance writers and government contractors, which library now belongs to Dartmouth College. I take part in a course called the Arctic Seminar, and last winter was director. I sing in madrigal groups and act in experimental theater plays. Only by a miserly budgeting of time do I manage these things. "In addition," I thought to myself, "I am now supposed to prepare two menus!"

But aloud I said: "Of course, dear." And we began to plan.

To my astonished delight, contrary to all my previous thinking, the Stone Age diet not only proved effective in getting rid of Stef's overweight, but was also cheaper, simpler, and easier to prepare than our regular mixed diet had been. Far from requiring more time, it took less. Instead of adding housekeeping burdens, it relieved them. Almost imperceptibly Stef's diet became my diet. Time was saved in not shopping for, not preparing, not cooking, and not washing up after unrequired dishes, among them vegetables, salads, and desserts.

Some of our friends say: "We would go on a meat diet too, but we couldn't possibly afford it." That started me investigating the actual cost of the diet. Unlike salads and desserts, which often do not keep, meat is as good several days later as the day it was cooked. There is no waste. I found our food bills were lower than they had been. But I attribute this to our fondness for mutton. Fortunately for us it is an unfashionable meat, which means it is cheap. We both like it, and thanks to our deep freeze, we buy fat old sheep at anything from twenty-two to thirty-three cents a pound and proceed to live on the fat of the land. We also buy beef, usually beef marrow. European cooks appreciate marrow, but most people in our country have never even tasted it, poor things.

When you eat as a primitive Eskimo does, you live on lean and fat meats. A typical Stefansson dinner is a rare or medium sirloin steak and coffee. The coffee is freshly ground. If there is enough fat on the steak we take our coffee black, otherwise heavy cream is added. Sometimes we have a bottle of wine. We have no bread, no starchy vegetables, no desserts. Rather often we eat half a grapefruit. We eat eggs for breakfast, two for Stef, one for me, with lots of butter.

Startling improvements in health came to Stef after several weeks on the new diet. He began to lose his overweight almost at once, and lost steadily, eating as much as he pleased and feeling satisfied the while. He lost seventeen pounds, then his weight remained stationary, although the amount he ate was the same. From being slightly irritable and depressed, he became once more his old ebullient, optimistic self. By eating mutton he became a lamb.

An unlooked-for and remarkable change was the disappearance of his arthritis, which had troubled him for years and which he thought of as a natural result of aging. One of his knees was so stiff he walked up and down stairs a step at a time, and he always sat on the aisle in a theater so he could extend his stiff leg comfortably.

Several times a night he would be awakened by pain in his hips and shoulder when he lay too long on one side; then he had to turn over and lie on the other side. Without noticing the change at first, Stef was one day startled to find himself walking up and down stairs, using both legs equally. He stopped in the middle of our stairs; then walked down again and up again. He could not remember which knee had been stiff!

Conclusion: The Stone Age all-meat diet is wholesome. It is an eat-all-you-want reducing diet that permits you to forget you are dieting--no hunger pangs remind you. It saves time and money. Best of all, it improves the temperament. It somehow makes one feel optimistic, mildly euphoric.

Epilogue: Stef used to love his role of being a thorn in the flesh of nutritionists. But in 1957 an article appeared in the august journal of the American Medical Association confirming what Stef had known for years from his anthropology and his own experience. The author of this book has also popularized Stef's diet in England, with the blessing of staid British medical folk.

Was it with the faintest trace of disappointment in his voice that Stef turned to me, after a strenuous nutrition discussion, and said: "I have always been right. But now I am becoming orthodox! I shall have to find myself a new heresy."

Evelyn Stefansson

*NOTE* back then animals were grass fed.

As an Alaskan Native (my grandmother was full blooded) I was raised in Alaska on that diet, moose, caribou, fowl, etc., which by the way includes lots and lots of seafood.

Alaskan Natives have the highest colonrectal rate per capita of all races.  I don't recommend our "healthy" diet.

Winter Marie

kennyt said:

I'm cutting down on sugar for

I'm cutting down on sugar for sure but I'll take a piece of that pinepple upsidedown cake

I haven't eaten cake in a long time, years, but had a hankering for pineapple upside and baked it, it turned out delicious, but now I'm stuck with a lot of left over cake, you are more then welcome to a slice or two!!

Winter Marie

manwithnoname said:

we had this eskimo

discussion already, I asked for proof of that statement and you couldn't provide it.

 

"Field physicians in the arctic noted that the Inuit were a remarkably healthy people. While they suffered from a tragic susceptibility to European communicable diseases, they did not develop the chronic diseases we now view as part of being human: tooth decay, overweight, heart attacks, appendicitis, constipation, diabetes and cancer. When word reached American and European physicians that the Inuit did not develop cancer, a number of them decided to mount an active search for it. This search began in the 1850s and tapered off in the 1920s, as traditionally-living Inuit became difficult to find. 

One of these physicians was captain George B. Leavitt. He actively searched for cancer among the traditionally-living Inuit from 1885 to 1907. Along with his staff, he claims to have performed tens of thousands of examinations. He did not find a single case of cancer. At the same time, he was regularly diagnosing cancers among the crews of whaling ships and other Westernized populations. It's important to note two relevant facts about Inuit culture: first, their habit of going shirtless indoors. This would make visual inspection for external cancers very easy. Second, the Inuit generally had great faith in Western doctors and would consult them even for minor problems. Therefore, doctors in the arctic had ample opportunity to inspect them for cancer."

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co.il/2008/07/cancer-among-inuit.html

"UK researchers found that vegetarians had a lower overall cancer rate than meat eaters, but contrary to suggestions from other studies, they found a higher rate of colorectal cancer among the vegetarians than among the meat eaters."

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/142427.php

 

https://www.itk.ca/sites/default/files/private/factsheet-seriesFINAL2.pdf     Actual documented cancer studies on Inuit which show most die from lung cancer.

But here you go:

http://www.anthc.org/chs/epicenter/upload/CRCSP_ANMC_brochure.pdf

That's from our Alaskan Native hospital in Anchorage, if you google you will find much more on it. 

This brochure actually says "and Alaska Natives almost twice as much as the general population"

in getting colorectal cancer.  Just google a bit more and you will see more of the same, from the cancer society

 etc, yes they

still do NOT eat the carbs others do, we still ate the way of the elders, no sweets, our milk 

consisted of powdered MilkMan milk, wild fruit gotten off the land, same for greens.  You

may like to tell me how we ate, but I lived it.  

When you actually live that life and see what we ate then you get to give me informed facts, I

lived it, many still live it, even some city dwellers and by the way not many of us believe white

men from those era's, plenty of lies and plenty of false tales,(especially in the 1800 and early 1900's)

when the priests came and children were taken away, women held hostage so the men would

go fur hunting for the Russians, diseases brought  by them killing off our peoples, along with the raping

of the women and children and the shooting deaths of our men.

My mother, my grandmother, my aunt's and uncles and other of our people were sitting in

"native only" sections in the back top of theaters, and not allowed in many stores or shops 

"no natives, no dogs" were the motto's in many businesses even until the late. 50's and 60's my

birth mother sent to Holy Cross, not allowed to speak her language, our people interned and taken

from their islands during World War II.

Our  people have been treated poorly since the Russians invaded our land and when the U.S. took

over from the Russians. I'm sure the Inuits trusted the "whites". (Sarcasm there). And various tribes

the Tlingits,, Aleuts, Eskimos, and many other, have diets varying from each other depending on the 

region they live in, Artic, Aluetian Islands, Southeastern, etc., all regions are different.  For instance my people

didnt hunt whales and eat blubber or use seal oil for eating fish but other Northern regions do.

and yes it sucks to be in the highest rate of colorectal cancer race, but unfortunately that's  the

truth, and you can keep saying it isn't so, but the facts prove we are,  again unfortunately we as a

race have the highest chance of getting colorectal cancer, again unfortunately.

And that's the history lesson for today.

Winter Marie