Week 3 and feeling it

My 43 year old healthy, non smoking husband was dx on Feb 5th with SCC in the base of his tongue with mets to lymph nodes on right side. hPV+. Started with 1st Che 3 chemo's (Cisplatin 200mg) on March 6 concurrent with 35 rad's. after his 15th treatment he has hit a wall. Can't eat, drinking is not easy, and the poor guy just feels nauseous and weak. He wanted to avoid the PEG, but we're going in this Friday to have it put in. 

Wondering if the side effects are peaking, and if anyone has suggestions for making him more comfortable? I feel so helpless. 

Scheduled for his 2nd chemo tomorrow and we're both scared of what the 4 following days hold if he can't get any food in his belly along with the anti nausea meds.  

Kelly

 

Comments

  • CivilMatt
    CivilMatt Member Posts: 4,724 Member
    you and he can do it

    Kelly,

     

    Welcome to the H&N forum and I am sorry you find yourself here.

     

    I was stage IVa, scc, bot, hpv+, 1 lymph node (surgery, radiation and Erbitux). 

     

    I had my 2nd PEG in during week 5, no biggie.  If he won’t eat he can drink his meals and if he won’t drink he needs a PEG.  Even with a PEG I drank one meal a day. 

     

    He needs to get in front of the nausea by taking the meds and trying different ones till it works, he needs to keep swallowing and drinking lots of water (fun or not), getting dehydrated will hurt you.

     

    I used Magic Mouth Wash for the mouth and throat sores and I loved it.

     

    For you, try to relax, you can only remind him what he has to do, he has to want to do it.

     

    Ask any questions that you like.

     

    Matt

  • phrannie51
    phrannie51 Member Posts: 4,716
    Welcome Kelly....

    I'm so glad you found this forum.....it is the best one on the internet.

    I would doubt that his side effects are peaking at this juncture (only 3 weeks into radiation)....but I'm glad to hear that he's going to get a PEG.  Getting all the hydration you can take in is SO SO important.  Dehydration brings with it a muriad of consequences....and feeling weak and nauseous are two.  Getting the tube placed will allow him to pour in lots of water and nutritional drinks...even milk to keep his strength up.

    I had an awful time keeping food down after chemo, but knew that I simply had to.....I'd take a Zophran, or a Compazine....wait 45 minutes, and then I'd do an Ensure Plus.....most of the time that worked for me.  He may need to go in to get hydrated during the four days after chemo....that's par for the course, so don't let him poo poo you on that.....if he can't keep anything down, then get him in for hydration.....he will feel so much better.

    You are joining some other incredible caretakers here......again, welcome!!

    p

  • Tim6003
    Tim6003 Member Posts: 1,514 Member

    Welcome Kelly....

    I'm so glad you found this forum.....it is the best one on the internet.

    I would doubt that his side effects are peaking at this juncture (only 3 weeks into radiation)....but I'm glad to hear that he's going to get a PEG.  Getting all the hydration you can take in is SO SO important.  Dehydration brings with it a muriad of consequences....and feeling weak and nauseous are two.  Getting the tube placed will allow him to pour in lots of water and nutritional drinks...even milk to keep his strength up.

    I had an awful time keeping food down after chemo, but knew that I simply had to.....I'd take a Zophran, or a Compazine....wait 45 minutes, and then I'd do an Ensure Plus.....most of the time that worked for me.  He may need to go in to get hydrated during the four days after chemo....that's par for the course, so don't let him poo poo you on that.....if he can't keep anything down, then get him in for hydration.....he will feel so much better.

    You are joining some other incredible caretakers here......again, welcome!!

    p

    Hi Kelly ...

    I'm sorry you find yourself in our group...but not a better place to be.

    I also know this may sound silly, but don't fear how bad it can get in treatments, bc without treatments thte ultimate fate is known!  No matter what may come in your treatment journey, the bottom line is you are looking to be "c" free at the end :)

    Every person on this forum has responded differently in some way or other, some sailed through treatments, others hit the wall sooner, other later.  I hit the wall about the same time as your husband.  I lost 70lbs during treatment and my peg tube was put in before treatments began!!  Jeez I had a heck of a time it seemed with everything, Erbitux (chemo), radiation and eating, blah blah blah. :)

    You and your husband will make it through.  I think the caregiver often times has it worse..you have to watch your loved one go through all they do and feel helpless....I'm looking forward to your husband being NED (no evidence of disease).

    Best,

    Tim

  • fishmanpa
    fishmanpa Member Posts: 1,227 Member
    The Wall

    Hi Kelly,

    Welcome. Sorry you find yourself here. The folks here are awesome. They've helped me in more ways than I can count.

    I'm about the same place in treatment as your husband albeit older (54).  I was diagnosed Nov.30 with SCC H&N. After two tonsillectomies (palatine and lingual), biopsies and laryngoscopies, no pimary site was found. I also had a selective neck dissection to remove the cancerous lymph nodes. Official diagnosis Tx N2b MO Stage IV. HPV+ (I was a smoker as well..double whammy!)

    Treatment started March 14. I'm getting 30 rads and 6 concurrent weekly chemos (Cisplatin 80mg). Next week will be the halfway point. I can't say I've hit the wall but I see it on the other side of the room at this point. My RO put me on Nuerontin just after my surgery and that is actually working in blocking throat pain and other pain from the treatment from setting in. He also prescribed a low dose liquid oxy to take 30 minutes prior to eating. So far so good but I'm close to going back to soft foods as I still have pain swallowing solids. Swallowing and nerve issues persist from the neck dissection despite therapy. 

    Everyone says and will say that we're all diffrerent and react differently to treatment. Based on the testimonies you'll read here, this is true. However, I can say with confidence at this point that the effects at close to three weeks are not peaking. Radiation has a cumulative effect as does chemo. All the folks I met waiting to get zapped in the rad waiting area as well as my rad-onc team say that it gets pretty rough from three weeks on out. I can tell you that I feel worse after the 2nd chemo than I did the first and the rads are starting to get to me a bit. On the positive side, I still have my taste buds but they're fading and I still have some saliva but that's fading too.  

    As you'll hear time and time again. HYDRATE HYDRATE HYDRATE! Nutrition is key as well. Talk to your MO about the nausea. I've done well thus far on two meds with a breakthrough med in case. I had to take the breakthrough last night as I was feeling pretty crappy. What's interesting is it's not nausea per se' as it's a feeling of "yuck" like I'm coming down with the flu (there's that everyone is different thing again).  I'm able to hold down what I eat no problem (so far). I wanted a PEG but my team wants to see how I do without it. 

    Please express your concerns to your team. That's what they're there for. Keep an eye out for dehydration and go to the hospital to get fluids if he starts to experience them. 

    Best wishes and prayers on your journey. 

    "T"


  • Roar
    Roar Member Posts: 269 Member
    I am about 3 months after

    I am about 3 months after completion of treatment- SSC unknown primary- I think 38 treatments radiation and 3 citsplatin - at around 1/2 way in I needed help with the pain. They gave me Percocet which really didn't help much bout it helped. The last two weeks of treatment they have me a patch for the pain- I think it was phenyl - one trick I learned was to dissolve a Percocet into a little warm water and gargle with it for a while. It's seemed to numb the sores I my mouth and allowed me to eat a little. 

  • HelenBack
    HelenBack Member Posts: 87 Member
    Hi There

    My husband is a healthy, non-smoking 44 year old with BOT SCC HPV+ stage 4, lymph nodes on L side. We haven't started treatment yet, so I'm sorry I don't have advice for you but I just wanted to say "HI". 

    I hope the peg tube finds you both the comfort you need. My husband's Rad/onc wants him to try and tough it out first, but from what I read here, it's a life saver. 

     

    Good Luck,

    Helen

  • Kcre30
    Kcre30 Member Posts: 7
    Thanks all, this really helps

    I feel a little boost of confidence. This process is so frightening and knowing that all of you are at various stages of kicking cancer's a&$ makes it a little easier. 

    What an unfortunate way to stumble upon such a great group of people. 

     

    Kelly