Why I love Thomas, The Ketogenic Diet hits the headlines, even Mercola at last is promoting it

pete43lost_at_sea said:

thanks sander

for watching the 5 minutes of my precious life i invested to post these is worth, i have helped one friend here.

ketosis may have some risks, but i got a few troublesome cells.

i wonder if anyone here will try this diet with me, i would love to share the experiences as we go along on this crazy experiment together that we call life.

its an invitation and NOT an order or a request even. is an invitation like this allowed here on csn ?

if i say i want to try ketogenic, the onc will say OK if you must!

they want be happy but they wont say NO, in their heart they will know you ARE so special, that you want to live more than all their other patients,

i get VIP treatment from all the doctors because they know i put 1000% effort in this game of survival.

if anyone asks their onc about ketogenic i would be very curious.

sander, thanks for taking the time to watch, maybe your example will motivate some others curiousity.

hugs,

pete

I have been on a ketogenic diet for 2 months now. I did a lot of research into diets and cancer and this one seemed to make the most sense. (I was looking at all the various diets as a biochemist).

Its the hardest diet I was ever on. It was fine for the first 2 weeks, but eventually eating high fat medium protein and virtually no carbs gets to you.

I did achieve a significant reduction in glucose levels. During the diet I did achieve stable disease, but no reduction. I was also on folfiri at the time. Basically I don't know whether the stable disease is due to the chemo or the diet. I do have multi drug resistant cancer, so most chemo has not worked well for me. Only way to tell is stop chemo for a month and note growth.

I am not sure why the claim is generating such diverse responses. In the video, it is said that “fasting” and this kind of diet was applied to mice and humans, and it was limited to brain cancer (and can treat other cancers). The results were great. He also maintains that he is writing a protocol for a trial at the cancer center at the University of Michigan. That is said, the whole idea is to starve your body to force  it produce ketones (owing to the absence of glucose in the blood stream). One’s body produces ketones to substitute for the needed sugar (glucose). Cancer cells feed on those ketones as they feed on glucose, and die.  The whole claim is to produce those ketones, and they believe that the recommended diet does the trick.

However, everything you take (no matter what your diet is) will be transformed into glucose. Now, it all depends on the level of diet that induces ketone production. Type 1 Diabetics also know how dangerously life-threatening ketones are. Every single one of (type 1) must have visited the ER at least once (twice or more is the norm).

To me, this treatment is not for a person to try. Of course he can choose this good diet for one’s own well being and general health. But as a treatment of cancer, it has to be under the supervision of a treating doctor. To add the Harvard study on insulin, there seems also a relation between fasting and less insulin secretion and cancer treatment. Reduction of glucose means less insulin secretion, and more ketone production. If they prove the effectiveness of this "fasting" Im sure they can manufacture medical "ketones" and have it at will and proper dose.

Sander

Hi Pete,

I haven't read the whole post or watched the video yet but just wanted you to know that I am familiar with the ketogenic diet since it is a diet used for some people who have seizures that cannot be controlled any other way.  Our daughter has epilepsy and therefor we have looked into the diet.  Her seizures are controlled with medication but we know that if they ever get out of control the ketogenic diet may be an option for her.

Stanford University has a link that has a ketogenic diet planner on it.  I have not used it but thought it might be helpful.  http://www.stanford.edu/group/ketodiet/   I am interested to know if somehow a diet that helps some people with uncontrollable siezures can also help in the cancer fight.  Also, I know with the small children who go on this diet, they are monitored very closely as the diet changes the way the body works in some ways (please excuse the unscientific words).

Be well.

Aloha,

Kathleen

Thanks Pete

I watched the video and did the reading.  My nat onc has been pushing me towards this for some time now.  He is convinced that my cancer cells are particularily insulin sensitive.  I've been on metformin for about a year now.  I must get very serious about this but I have difficulty when I cook for a husband and 3 kids who eat very healthy but have sweet tooths as well.  My problem is the carbs not so much the processed sugar.

Thank you Kathleen for the link   I think that it's real help for any of us who will be getting down and serious about the diet.  I'm not sure I can but will speak about it further with my nat onc.

The only beef I have with the video is that I hate it when Dr.'s refer to patients as being expired.  It's so clincial and cold.  We're not parking meters or library cards...we're human beings with souls and feelings.  Why do they say that?  As you can tell, it really bugs me.

Pete - lost at sea - I am in all the way with the ketosis concept - just started and hope it is going well with you