This seems very interesting

manwithnoname
manwithnoname Member Posts: 402
edited February 2013 in Colorectal Cancer #1

http://www.envitamexico.mx/adoptive-autologus-immunotherapy/

Watch the video, it explains the treatment well, might be an alternative to Germany Wink

clinical trial for CRC here; http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00720785

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  • Fucc
    Fucc Member Posts: 92 Member
    #2
    A while back I had been
    A while back I had been trying to find out more about envita and if anyone has any direct experience. I came up empty handed. I'd love to hear from someone who has been there or at least looked into it. It is definitely interesting.
  • manwithnoname
    manwithnoname Member Posts: 402
    #3
    Fucc said:

    A while back I had been
    A while back I had been trying to find out more about envita and if anyone has any direct experience. I came up empty handed. I'd love to hear from someone who has been there or at least looked into it. It is definitely interesting.

    the trial

    is  NK+ bortezormib (which is interesting) im guessing it's free.

  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
    #4
    manwithnoname said:

    the trial

    is  NK+ bortezormib (which is interesting) im guessing it's free.

    awesome tony, just awesome thanks

    I will update, when i get more info about the trial and the pricing from envita.

    the nk cell activity stuff for colorectal seems pretty credible.

    of course i am still here in germany committed to the current plan, just doing a little detailed research on the side.

    getting our white blood cells up for leacophersis a good goal, for that matter keeping then at a level sufficient for these trials also an interesting benchmark re how much systemic chemo to consume.

    i think the concept of trying systemic chemo if you have to, to shrink significant tumour burden asap and then flicking over to one of these therapies or a trial an interesting strategy. 

    its amazing how fast the world changes with a few poineers and a few good ideas. the days of sitting passively in the chair each fortnight and sucking down some challenging cocktail are fading fast. 

    i think of the immunotheapy revolution as the fact we are just changing drinks, its just a different cocktails. the old cocktail untargetted, blunt and systemic and very harsh, the new cocktail targeted, personalised and hopefully more effective.

    http://petertrayhurn.blogspot.de/2013/02/envitamexico-adoptive-autologus.html

    hugs,

    pete

  • vinaykumar
    vinaykumar Member Posts: 66 Member
    #5
    great find tony.....
    there is

    great find tony.....

    there is an institute in chennai ( india ) wihch claims to be doing a similar treatment in collaboration with a japanese treatment center ..... http://www.ncrm.org/aiet/index.htm 

    the cost i belive is abt 30 K USD for 6 infusions 

     

  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
    #6
    vinaykumar said:

    great find tony.....
    there is

    great find tony.....

    there is an institute in chennai ( india ) wihch claims to be doing a similar treatment in collaboration with a japanese treatment center ..... http://www.ncrm.org/aiet/index.htm 

    the cost i belive is abt 30 K USD for 6 infusions 

     

    vinaykumar

    interesting cost, so about 5K usd per vaccine, now the 9KUSD per vaccine at nesselhut and germany is more expensive, but it includes a weeks therapy of hyperthermia, ndv, ozone and the vaccine. that hallwang charge 11k USD per vaccine for less therapy. but its impossible to assess the science, i am happy with nesselhut for my vaccine.

    i hope us discussing cost does not upset anyone. just pointing out these are costs are realistic.

    hugs,

    pete

  • luvinlife2
    luvinlife2 Member Posts: 172 Member
    #7
    Thanks :)

     

    Thanks for the info and links Tony.  Another thing to bring to my nat onc this week Smile

  • manwithnoname
    manwithnoname Member Posts: 402
    #8
    vinaykumar said:

    great find tony.....
    there is

    great find tony.....

    there is an institute in chennai ( india ) wihch claims to be doing a similar treatment in collaboration with a japanese treatment center ..... http://www.ncrm.org/aiet/index.htm 

    the cost i belive is abt 30 K USD for 6 infusions 

     

    Thanks Vinay

    Our Dr. also does this kind of treatment, although he uses mis-matched cells, cost's are about the same, he did a clinical trial here; http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20563804  results were  ok but I'm sure they would be better if people did it before they got too ill.

  • janie1
    janie1 Member Posts: 753 Member
    #9
    I called Envita several
    I called Envita several months ago. They let me talk to a former patient, but after she talked and talked it up, she actually did not have the vaccine. She may have been cured without having gone to Envita, due to the surgery she had. She only went to Envita for ozone therapy, Vit. C iv, after the surgery.

    When I asked to speak to someone who actually had the vaccine, there wasn't anyone to talk to. They have customer service type (or sales) people that call you. After i asked questions they weren't able to answer, they stopped calling.

    I understand they have to give the vaccine in Mexico because it isn't approved in the U.S........however, I am very skeptical since contacting them.
    I don't know of anyone that has gone there.
  • traci43
    traci43 Member Posts: 773 Member
    #10
    very interesting

    This sounds promising.  Thanks for sharing!

  • annalexandria
    annalexandria Member Posts: 2,571 Member
    #11
    traci43 said:

    very interesting

    This sounds promising.  Thanks for sharing!

    Just be aware that businesses like this

    do hire people to search online for any mention of their name, and then respond with "testimonials".  You can search on the text in that post and the exact same thing turns up on other cancer forums where Envita was mentioned.

    Hopefully, this person will come back and give us more specifics on his wife's case.

  • manwithnoname
    manwithnoname Member Posts: 402
    #12
    annalexandria said:

    Just be aware that businesses like this

    do hire people to search online for any mention of their name, and then respond with "testimonials".  You can search on the text in that post and the exact same thing turns up on other cancer forums where Envita was mentioned.

    Hopefully, this person will come back and give us more specifics on his wife's case.

    Obvious

    SPAM, steer clear of Envita.

  • annalexandria
    annalexandria Member Posts: 2,571 Member
    #13
    manwithnoname said:

    Obvious

    SPAM, steer clear of Envita.

    Hi Tony!

    Nice to see you around.  I hope things are going ok with you and your family.

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