OT: What Do You Think Of Lance Armstrong's cheating and lieing?
Aside from what he has done for cancer, I think it is awful how he lied and cheated to get the titles, fame and money. I am just glad he finally told the truth.
I assumed he was guilty last year when he dropped the lawsuit, as, he gave no good reason for not going forward with it.
Besides being banned from cycling and losing all of his titles, I hope he does have to pay back millions that he lied and cheated to get.
Thanks to him for what he did do for cancer. Unfortunately now, they are calling his organization Liestrong
Jan
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It's just SAD. I guess none
It's just SAD. I guess none of us were there or could know his 'reasons' but it is pitiful.
You do what you do and then if you get busted, you take the consequences! Sooner or later, you take the consequences either way - so why delay!
He lived how many years now with that TRUTH chasing him.
You and I know how precious each moment of life is, yet he burned years running from lies.
S A D
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SadMcMarty said:It's just SAD. I guess none
It's just SAD. I guess none of us were there or could know his 'reasons' but it is pitiful.
You do what you do and then if you get busted, you take the consequences! Sooner or later, you take the consequences either way - so why delay!
He lived how many years now with that TRUTH chasing him.
You and I know how precious each moment of life is, yet he burned years running from lies.
S A D
It's sad and unfair I heard on the news they think his cancer might have been caused by all the drugs he used. Just shows you get caught sooner or later.
teresa
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I feel very sorry for all of
I feel very sorry for all of the excellent, hard-working cyclists who were clean back then. I heard one of them speaking on NPR. It is so sad that the good guys, who did not dope, lost a once in a lifetime chance of competing on a level playing field. Apparently, a large number were doping (~20%), but think of all the poor souls who were not! They sacrificed so much for an opportunity taken away by cheaters!
The cyclist who was interviewed said he was just happy that he could continue cycling when Lance could not, but I was outraged!
Also, his charity has been top-notch, but what a sad state of affairs his behavior has caused it.
As others have said, this is just sad. My hubbie loves cycling and we watched and cheered the loudest. Now we feel so betrayed because we kept defending him against allegations that were apparently true (and worse because he threatened, bullied and sued honest folks). So sad!
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He is 'amazing' - in the negative sense!
It is amazing to me how ANYONE could think he (LA) is anything but trying to do anything except to justify himself for harming others (with his lies). and foir money It's all about him believing he is above all others - even thouygh he is a CHEATER and LIAR! I have competed, over the many years, in sports (equine) where there are attempts by many to drug "up" or "down" on the animal (and sometimes on the rider also).
I could go 'on and on' about how 'lower than a snake's belly' I know he is. Bottom line is - he has always done whatever to WIN and is still (SADLY) doing exactly the same thing. His use of KNOWN, illegal proecedures/drugs is documented and his lies and attacks on anyone who tried to to be honest of his 'behaviors' is now admitted to. He got RICH on his lies.
IF the 'Canceer Organization', LA set up now goes on to deal with the issues casused by exactly what he did - WIN at any cost- gets involved with the reality of the idea that win is all that counts noi matter what then - then it might have a point in going on.
WInyan - The Power Within
Susan
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I kind of compartmentalize
I kind of compartmentalize Lance Armstrong. I see him as a cheater, liar, and dispicable person who cheated so many athletes out of huge wins in the sport. I also think that their are others that did this,too. He really is in a lot of trouble. I find it disgusting that he lied and then threatened certain media with lawsuits for stating what we now know is true.
On the other hand, I see a man who had cancer. He went through the horrible experience of cancer. I see a great man who had cancer and started an incredible foundation for those with cancer, Livestrong.
I hope that his foundation stays strong. I didn't look up his website until the last year off and on for info. However, our YMCA has the Livestrong program for those with cancer or finished with treatment get an exercise program. Right now it is free!! When I recover from the flu, I want to look into it, as I have gained a lot of weight since cancer. Getting there will be a problem. The YMCA is about 20-30 miles from my town and there is no public transit for me to take when I can't drive.
Anyway, I think it is a sad thing that he thought he had to cheat to become great and make millions. It is a sign of the times, I think.
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"Compartmentalize"cinnamonsmile said:I kind of compartmentalize
I kind of compartmentalize Lance Armstrong. I see him as a cheater, liar, and dispicable person who cheated so many athletes out of huge wins in the sport. I also think that their are others that did this,too. He really is in a lot of trouble. I find it disgusting that he lied and then threatened certain media with lawsuits for stating what we now know is true.
On the other hand, I see a man who had cancer. He went through the horrible experience of cancer. I see a great man who had cancer and started an incredible foundation for those with cancer, Livestrong.
I hope that his foundation stays strong. I didn't look up his website until the last year off and on for info. However, our YMCA has the Livestrong program for those with cancer or finished with treatment get an exercise program. Right now it is free!! When I recover from the flu, I want to look into it, as I have gained a lot of weight since cancer. Getting there will be a problem. The YMCA is about 20-30 miles from my town and there is no public transit for me to take when I can't drive.
Anyway, I think it is a sad thing that he thought he had to cheat to become great and make millions. It is a sign of the times, I think.
What does that mean? I hope that the "Living Strong" can go past the lies somene started it on.
I see a man who chose to do whatever he could to WIN. Those ORIGINAL choices were long before he was DX'd with cancer. After he returned to competition, he continued to "DOPE UP" and contined to lie UNDER OATH!.
He does have 'problems' now (FINALLY) but he still lives a lot 'higher' (rich) life style. I, and most of us, could never live his mega millions style.. Nope - I am 'happy with HONESTLY doing what my hoirses (and me) could do based LEGALLY on what we could do.
IMO - he (LA) has made himself RICH - is a 'sleeze ball' that can NEVER undo all the harm he has done!
Winyan - The Power Within
Susan
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Unfortunately, we are a
Unfortunately, we are a society that is quickly losing its moral compass. It is becoming more and more evident as time goes on. What's right is considered wrong. What's wrong is considered right.
The good thing is that there are still people -- like us -- who care about what is right.
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I think it is awful that hecinnamonsmile said:I kind of compartmentalize
I kind of compartmentalize Lance Armstrong. I see him as a cheater, liar, and dispicable person who cheated so many athletes out of huge wins in the sport. I also think that their are others that did this,too. He really is in a lot of trouble. I find it disgusting that he lied and then threatened certain media with lawsuits for stating what we now know is true.
On the other hand, I see a man who had cancer. He went through the horrible experience of cancer. I see a great man who had cancer and started an incredible foundation for those with cancer, Livestrong.
I hope that his foundation stays strong. I didn't look up his website until the last year off and on for info. However, our YMCA has the Livestrong program for those with cancer or finished with treatment get an exercise program. Right now it is free!! When I recover from the flu, I want to look into it, as I have gained a lot of weight since cancer. Getting there will be a problem. The YMCA is about 20-30 miles from my town and there is no public transit for me to take when I can't drive.
Anyway, I think it is a sad thing that he thought he had to cheat to become great and make millions. It is a sign of the times, I think.
I think it is awful that he cheated and lied to get ahead, and, I also feel sorry for the ones that didn't "dope" up and cheat that possibly could have won a title.
He should be ashamed of himself.
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I rememberdesertgirl947 said:Unfortunately, we are a
Unfortunately, we are a society that is quickly losing its moral compass. It is becoming more and more evident as time goes on. What's right is considered wrong. What's wrong is considered right.
The good thing is that there are still people -- like us -- who care about what is right.
I remember years ago when it was suspected.Then came out he wasn't doing drugs. I was so supporative that fnally the TRUTH(what I thought was true)came out.Now this has hit me.And everyone else.No one is supporting him now.I haven't watched the news. I don't need to.I know.He never has been clean. Just simple and plain after way to many years of deception.
The old saying.2 sides to every story.Well one side here and it was ALL lies.
Lynn Smith
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WOW...I only got to see the
WOW...I only got to see the newsbytes that were released to the news from his Oprah interview. What a scumbag he is. This totally changed my view of him. Cancer or not, he is a disgusting human being. I think Livestrong should cut all ties with that piece of crap. He didn't look sorry at all that he did that. Just trying to spin the fact that he finally got caught.
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I've been staying on the side lines of thiscinnamonsmile said:WOW...I only got to see the
WOW...I only got to see the newsbytes that were released to the news from his Oprah interview. What a scumbag he is. This totally changed my view of him. Cancer or not, he is a disgusting human being. I think Livestrong should cut all ties with that piece of crap. He didn't look sorry at all that he did that. Just trying to spin the fact that he finally got caught.
topic. Personally, I fell Lance speaking with Oprah or Bob Costa is a way to pave his way back into the SPOT Light of the rich and famous. Perhaps, Lance is missing all the glam, glory and adoring fan's.
Sorry to say, I feel he wants the public sympathy -- and forgiveness. Once he achieves that, he will have a reality series! Anything for money -- no more sponsorships, admiration, and Hollywood parties.
Silence and volunteer work would speak volumes to someone like me. Work Hard, Give Back and stay of the TV Circuit!!!
Just my humble opinion.
Vicki Sam
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I've been staying on the side lines of thiscinnamonsmile said:WOW...I only got to see the
WOW...I only got to see the newsbytes that were released to the news from his Oprah interview. What a scumbag he is. This totally changed my view of him. Cancer or not, he is a disgusting human being. I think Livestrong should cut all ties with that piece of crap. He didn't look sorry at all that he did that. Just trying to spin the fact that he finally got caught.
topic. Personally, I fell Lance speaking with Oprah or Bob Costa is a way to pave his way back into the SPOT Light of the rich and famous. Perhaps, Lance is missing all the glam, glory and adoring fan's.
Sorry to say, I feel he wants the public sympathy -- and forgiveness. Once he achieves that, he will have a reality series! Anything for money -- no more sponsorships, admiration, and Hollywood parties.
Silence and volunteer work would speak volumes to someone like me. Work Hard, Give Back and stay out the TV Circuit, Media frenzy!!!
Just my humble opinion.
Vicki Sam
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I hink it goes deeper.VickiSam said:I've been staying on the side lines of this
topic. Personally, I fell Lance speaking with Oprah or Bob Costa is a way to pave his way back into the SPOT Light of the rich and famous. Perhaps, Lance is missing all the glam, glory and adoring fan's.
Sorry to say, I feel he wants the public sympathy -- and forgiveness. Once he achieves that, he will have a reality series! Anything for money -- no more sponsorships, admiration, and Hollywood parties.
Silence and volunteer work would speak volumes to someone like me. Work Hard, Give Back and stay out the TV Circuit, Media frenzy!!!
Just my humble opinion.
Vicki Sam
He was wrong and he is admitting it, better late than never. It may never help him but maybe it will help his non profit.
I do not believe for a.minute that the sponsors, and executives of the race did not know back then, and they turned their heads because once Lance wone 2 in a row, people started watching and getting into cycling and the sponsors were paying for ads, and the networks and cycling association wstarted making big bucks, which is why Armstrong was making so much. It was the same with baceball during the McGuire era, they turned their heads because they were all making money, then they acted shocked, but not until baseball had a strong profitable following again.
Yes Armstrong was wrong as were the majority of the competitors but they would not have gone along with it if the climate was not there to allow it. Just my opinion! Then you get the athelite who was also using who cant get a real job so he writes the tell-all to expose them all, and he makes big bucks ultimately off his cheating. They should also pull his profuts from the book and give to a charity!
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They are saying now thatVickiSam said:I've been staying on the side lines of this
topic. Personally, I fell Lance speaking with Oprah or Bob Costa is a way to pave his way back into the SPOT Light of the rich and famous. Perhaps, Lance is missing all the glam, glory and adoring fan's.
Sorry to say, I feel he wants the public sympathy -- and forgiveness. Once he achieves that, he will have a reality series! Anything for money -- no more sponsorships, admiration, and Hollywood parties.
Silence and volunteer work would speak volumes to someone like me. Work Hard, Give Back and stay of the TV Circuit!!!
Just my humble opinion.
Vicki Sam
They are saying now that Lance is being sued by many, sponsors and others and stands to probably lose a lot of the $150 million fortune he accumulated. Really sad..
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Lance
I think he is a proffessional liar, I believe he was a dangerous bully. The first people I thought of has never been mentioned (like one of our ladies comments) what about the compeditors who were clean and could have had a change of winning. I have no compassion for this man. Just because he has appologized hoping people dont fall for it. There will be a film in the making and wouldn't be surprised if he insists taking the lead role........... Certainly knows how to act.
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LanceVickiSam said:I've been staying on the side lines of this
topic. Personally, I fell Lance speaking with Oprah or Bob Costa is a way to pave his way back into the SPOT Light of the rich and famous. Perhaps, Lance is missing all the glam, glory and adoring fan's.
Sorry to say, I feel he wants the public sympathy -- and forgiveness. Once he achieves that, he will have a reality series! Anything for money -- no more sponsorships, admiration, and Hollywood parties.
Silence and volunteer work would speak volumes to someone like me. Work Hard, Give Back and stay out the TV Circuit, Media frenzy!!!
Just my humble opinion.
Vicki Sam
I'm totally with your thoughts Vicky. Exactly what occured to me.
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He really is an awful personcamul said:I hink it goes deeper.
He was wrong and he is admitting it, better late than never. It may never help him but maybe it will help his non profit.
I do not believe for a.minute that the sponsors, and executives of the race did not know back then, and they turned their heads because once Lance wone 2 in a row, people started watching and getting into cycling and the sponsors were paying for ads, and the networks and cycling association wstarted making big bucks, which is why Armstrong was making so much. It was the same with baceball during the McGuire era, they turned their heads because they were all making money, then they acted shocked, but not until baseball had a strong profitable following again.
Yes Armstrong was wrong as were the majority of the competitors but they would not have gone along with it if the climate was not there to allow it. Just my opinion! Then you get the athelite who was also using who cant get a real job so he writes the tell-all to expose them all, and he makes big bucks ultimately off his cheating. They should also pull his profuts from the book and give to a charity!
Just my opinion.He really is an awful person to do that and to take all or the medals, fame and money by lieing and cheating! I thought on the Oprah interview that he didn't even seem the least bit sorry, really sorry or felt that bad for doing it. I think he just felt bad he had to finally come clean. I am hoping he has to pay back millions to the ones that sponsored him.
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Roz is right inre to LanceRozHopkins said:Lance
I think he is a proffessional liar, I believe he was a dangerous bully. The first people I thought of has never been mentioned (like one of our ladies comments) what about the compeditors who were clean and could have had a change of winning. I have no compassion for this man. Just because he has appologized hoping people dont fall for it. There will be a film in the making and wouldn't be surprised if he insists taking the lead role........... Certainly knows how to act.
Roz is right inre to Lance being a professional liar and he admitted he was a bully. I can't believe some people were ever fooled by him and defended him so strongly. I always asked that they at least keep an open mind, as I did, but, the cards stacked against him were falling down too fast.
His interview with Oprah was a fiasco and I think even Oprah was apalled by him. He is a disgrace!
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I didnt see the interview, itNoel said:Roz is right inre to Lance
Roz is right inre to Lance being a professional liar and he admitted he was a bully. I can't believe some people were ever fooled by him and defended him so strongly. I always asked that they at least keep an open mind, as I did, but, the cards stacked against him were falling down too fast.
His interview with Oprah was a fiasco and I think even Oprah was apalled by him. He is a disgrace!
I didnt see the interview, it didnt appeal to me. At first I didnt care appreciating all he had done for cancer, choosing to keep the two separate, then when I read about all the people he hurt and destroyed, I couldnt respect him in any way. i really dont want to see him again.
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