Juicing and Supplements

ryckej1
ryckej1 Member Posts: 28
in Esophageal Cancer #1
I have been hearing a lot about juicing and supplements here and elsewhere.
Just wondering how much all of this actually helps. I know that it cannot hurt, but I am starting to feel like I am missing out on something because I am not doing the juicing. I still have a bit of trouble swallowing, so probably do not get enough protein. I have been doing the ensure and protein bars, but worry about all of the processed crap that I have been putting in my body. It will be one year since my espophagectomy on September 1st. Things have been going relativly well otherwise. Did have to have another surgery about 1.5 months ago to "untangle" my guts. Fallout from the original surgery, but not nearly as dramatic. This does appear to have quieted the stomach issues I was having.

Thanks in advance for thoughts on Juicing and Supplements.

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  • sfaith
    sfaith Member Posts: 3
    #2
    I second that!
    My dad is taking freeze-dried black raspberry and green tea, but I've been reading a lot about Avemar (aveultra) and Immpower. The two supplements were featured in the July 2012 Health Sciences Institute publication. A UCLA integrative oncology center doctor said it's “The Number One treatment I’d use for ANY cancer patient.”
    http://hsionline.com/2012/06/18/aveultra-and-immpower/

    Has anyone used this?
  • goty2001
    goty2001 Member Posts: 71
    #3
    sfaith said:

    I second that!
    My dad is taking freeze-dried black raspberry and green tea, but I've been reading a lot about Avemar (aveultra) and Immpower. The two supplements were featured in the July 2012 Health Sciences Institute publication. A UCLA integrative oncology center doctor said it's “The Number One treatment I’d use for ANY cancer patient.”
    http://hsionline.com/2012/06/18/aveultra-and-immpower/

    Has anyone used this?

    Juicing
    I can't recommend juicing enough. Never felt physically better than since I started (a couple of weeks after diagnosis). Wheatgrass, carrots, celery, turmeric, ginger... getting all the good stuff in, in concentrations I could never eat. Supplements good too, but no substitute for the real, natural, organic (if you can) thing.
  • jgwright
    jgwright Member Posts: 242
    #4
    sfaith said:

    I second that!
    My dad is taking freeze-dried black raspberry and green tea, but I've been reading a lot about Avemar (aveultra) and Immpower. The two supplements were featured in the July 2012 Health Sciences Institute publication. A UCLA integrative oncology center doctor said it's “The Number One treatment I’d use for ANY cancer patient.”
    http://hsionline.com/2012/06/18/aveultra-and-immpower/

    Has anyone used this?

    HSI
    Okay... They charge $37 or $38 a year for a subscription to their magazine and they are all about the "secret cures that big pharma is hiding." This raises a red flag with me.

    From their website:
    Health Disclaimer! The information provided on this site should not be construed as personal medical advice or instruction. No action should be taken based solely on the contents of this site. Readers should consult appropriate health professionals on any matter relating to their health and well-being. The information and opinions provided here are believed to be accurate and sound, based on the best judgment available to the authors, but readers who fail to consult appropriate health authorities assume the risk of any injuries. The publisher is not responsible for errors or omissions.

    --Jerry
  • jgwright
    jgwright Member Posts: 242
    #5
    jgwright said:

    HSI
    Okay... They charge $37 or $38 a year for a subscription to their magazine and they are all about the "secret cures that big pharma is hiding." This raises a red flag with me.

    From their website:
    Health Disclaimer! The information provided on this site should not be construed as personal medical advice or instruction. No action should be taken based solely on the contents of this site. Readers should consult appropriate health professionals on any matter relating to their health and well-being. The information and opinions provided here are believed to be accurate and sound, based on the best judgment available to the authors, but readers who fail to consult appropriate health authorities assume the risk of any injuries. The publisher is not responsible for errors or omissions.

    --Jerry

    More about Avemar
    From a Facebook page:
    ...Dr. Mate Hidvegi overcame overwhelming odds to discover a safe cancer cure, unlike the poisons that were being used to attack the disease at the peril of the patients. Despite numerous obstacles and a profound lack of funding, Dr. Hidvegi did not give up. Instead, this devout doctor prayed to the Virgin Mary for guidance…and an investor. And the very next day, those prayers were answered when Dr. Hidvegi met a stranger who was willing to fund his research.

    With that ‘miracle’ money, Dr. Hidvegi patented the process of fermenting wheat germ with baker’s yeast, a discovery he called Avemar (in tribute to the Virgin Mary). Since then, more than one hundred studies confirm that Avemar really is a miracle for cancer patients…even patients who thought they had no hope...

    And it only costs $199 for a one month supply...

    --Jerry
  • lenlee65
    lenlee65 Member Posts: 40
    #6
    Juicing and supplements
    The problem with a lot of supplements is that they are not regulated by the FDA so there are quality and quantity issues with some of them. I think juicing is a good thing and have benn thinking about doing some myself. I don't really have any issues with eating or drinking now but juicing is healthy so it has to be a good thing. Here is a breakfast drink I used for a while. The "recipe" was given to me by a nutritionist at the VA Medical Center in Jackson, MS.

    If you can tolerate the dairy and sugar try puttin a couple scoops of ice cream, a pack of Carnation instant breakfast, a cup of milk and if you want some coffee a teaspoon of instant coffee in a blender, blend well and drink up. I did not mention any flavors because tht would be your choice. The coffee is optional but it is best if you dissovle it in a small amount of hot water before putting it in the blender.

    Hope this helps a little bit.
  • ryckej1
    ryckej1 Member Posts: 28
    #7
    Big Problems
    On Sunday I got juicer from a friend. We made about 40 oz. of juice using beets, carrots, spinach, ginger, grapes. Like an idiot, I drank about 32 oz. over about an hours’ time. One hour later, severe cramps started developing. I was soon doubled over with severe pain that, I am not joking, lasted 7-8 hours. It is now Tuesday, and I am still having stomach issues. Not as bad as it was, but something is not right. In addition, I have not had a bowel movement since Sunday morning. You would think that I would have had diarrhea or something by now. I am not sure what to think. This is all on top of the fact that one month ago I had follow-up surgery to straighten out my guts that had twisted up since my esophagectomy on September 1st 2011. My health has been relatively good other that the stomach issues and the fact that I still have a hard time getting food past the “connection” site of my old/new “esophagus”.
    Is it possible that the overdosing on the raw vegetable juice could cause so many problems? Scary.
    I have a follow-up meeting with my surgeon tomorrow, so hopefully he will have some insight.
    Has anyone had any sort of similar experience with juicing?
    Don’t get me wrong, I am still freaking grateful to be alive, and I will get through this, but sometimes the EC and its little friend-side effects piss me off.
    Any insight would be appreciated.
  • NGC1514
    NGC1514 Member Posts: 46 Member
    #8
    Juicing and Supplements
    Haven't used either one. I eat two meals a day. Lunch is usually a MickyD chicken sandwich or a quarter pounder with cheese. Order fries once every couple of weeks or so. Eaten with sweet tea (this is the south, you know!)

    Dinner is a better balanced meal with a small piece of chicken breast and a green veggie.

    Snacking is a nightmare! A&W cream soda, cookies, bar cakes, huge dishes of ice cream with shell sauce, Cheetos, candy, chocolate... everything bad for you is good.

    Last exam in June my BP was 113/75. Total cholesterol 128 and weight 167.

    I'm probably the one person you DON'T want to ask for dietary advice!

    Eric in Atlanta
    DX 10/6/2000
    Surgery 04/09/2001
    Still hanging in.
  • goty2001
    goty2001 Member Posts: 71
    #9
    sfaith said:

    I second that!
    My dad is taking freeze-dried black raspberry and green tea, but I've been reading a lot about Avemar (aveultra) and Immpower. The two supplements were featured in the July 2012 Health Sciences Institute publication. A UCLA integrative oncology center doctor said it's “The Number One treatment I’d use for ANY cancer patient.”
    http://hsionline.com/2012/06/18/aveultra-and-immpower/

    Has anyone used this?

    Juicing
    ..
  • ebawa
    ebawa Member Posts: 38
    #10
    ryckej1 said:

    Big Problems
    On Sunday I got juicer from a friend. We made about 40 oz. of juice using beets, carrots, spinach, ginger, grapes. Like an idiot, I drank about 32 oz. over about an hours’ time. One hour later, severe cramps started developing. I was soon doubled over with severe pain that, I am not joking, lasted 7-8 hours. It is now Tuesday, and I am still having stomach issues. Not as bad as it was, but something is not right. In addition, I have not had a bowel movement since Sunday morning. You would think that I would have had diarrhea or something by now. I am not sure what to think. This is all on top of the fact that one month ago I had follow-up surgery to straighten out my guts that had twisted up since my esophagectomy on September 1st 2011. My health has been relatively good other that the stomach issues and the fact that I still have a hard time getting food past the “connection” site of my old/new “esophagus”.
    Is it possible that the overdosing on the raw vegetable juice could cause so many problems? Scary.
    I have a follow-up meeting with my surgeon tomorrow, so hopefully he will have some insight.
    Has anyone had any sort of similar experience with juicing?
    Don’t get me wrong, I am still freaking grateful to be alive, and I will get through this, but sometimes the EC and its little friend-side effects piss me off.
    Any insight would be appreciated.

    Juicing
    When I was first diagnosed with EC a nurse friend of mine made me buy a juicer that day in Feb 2011 and I have been juicing carrots, granny smith apples, celery, blackberries, strawberries every day. I juice in the morning, drink 8 oz on an empty stomach and put another 8oz in a jar that I drink 1 hour before lunch. I was stage IV but have been clear for almost one year. I also do hydrogen peroxide therapy twice a day. I feel juicing is one of the most important things I do to stay healthy. I did it through two different series of chemo and radiation. My family drinks the juice with me daily.
  • ryckej1
    ryckej1 Member Posts: 28
    #11
    ebawa said:

    Juicing
    When I was first diagnosed with EC a nurse friend of mine made me buy a juicer that day in Feb 2011 and I have been juicing carrots, granny smith apples, celery, blackberries, strawberries every day. I juice in the morning, drink 8 oz on an empty stomach and put another 8oz in a jar that I drink 1 hour before lunch. I was stage IV but have been clear for almost one year. I also do hydrogen peroxide therapy twice a day. I feel juicing is one of the most important things I do to stay healthy. I did it through two different series of chemo and radiation. My family drinks the juice with me daily.

    Thank you
    Thanks for the information.
  • Bermudagirl
    Bermudagirl Member Posts: 114
    #12
    NGC1514 said:

    Juicing and Supplements
    Haven't used either one. I eat two meals a day. Lunch is usually a MickyD chicken sandwich or a quarter pounder with cheese. Order fries once every couple of weeks or so. Eaten with sweet tea (this is the south, you know!)

    Dinner is a better balanced meal with a small piece of chicken breast and a green veggie.

    Snacking is a nightmare! A&W cream soda, cookies, bar cakes, huge dishes of ice cream with shell sauce, Cheetos, candy, chocolate... everything bad for you is good.

    Last exam in June my BP was 113/75. Total cholesterol 128 and weight 167.

    I'm probably the one person you DON'T want to ask for dietary advice!

    Eric in Atlanta
    DX 10/6/2000
    Surgery 04/09/2001
    Still hanging in.

    Had to smile...
    at your diet! But hey, if it works for you, and clearly it does looking at the dates of your diagnosis and surgery, more power to you! :)
  • 250xcfw
    250xcfw Member Posts: 30
    #13
    ryckej1 said:

    Thank you
    Thanks for the information.

    Juicing
    Just remember that there are different kinds of juicing and all juicing should be done in moderation. The drink that Goty2001 described above is a very good green juice; I drink the same other than I add cucumber(8-12 oz once in the morning and once in the evening). Never make more juice than you’re going to drink in four hours because it oxidizes and loses nutrition very quickly.
    Just a quick tip when juicing, if you’re making a green drink don’t try to make it sweet by adding berries or fruit (they don’t digest at the same rate). Apples and carrots are the only sweeteners that go well with green drinks and don’t upset the balance of the drink.
    Buy organic and local for the best greens.

    John
  • Cora11
    Cora11 Member Posts: 173
    #14
    Bermudagirl said:

    Had to smile...
    at your diet! But hey, if it works for you, and clearly it does looking at the dates of your diagnosis and surgery, more power to you! :)

    Black Rasberries as anti-inflammatory
    I posted this recently, but thought I'd repost here. Our Gi doctor gave us an article and the link to this study. My husband talked at length with the actual author of the study. There is promising evidence that the use of black raspberry extract in concentrated amounts can reverse the inflammation in the esophagus as well as colon. IT is important to understand that we are talking about topical effects. My husband started using this as he figures it certainly won't hurt . The way it could help esophagectomy patients is to knock out inflammation that could turn into Barretts and pre-cancer cells again.He is getting it from a specific company www.berrihealth.com because the formulations are very consistent and they also check for pathogens like e-coli, salmonella. They only get the rasberries from a few farms and they are using standardized formulations. My husband is taking 1 tsp 3 x a day and is using the powder. He heats water so it is warm, not too hot ( around 150 degrees) and then dissolves the powder and sips on it slowly. The 3 times a day is thought to be good because again, the theory is that it has a topical not systemic effect. Here is a link to the article again.



    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2196225/

    Cora
  • bawa
    bawa Member Posts: 39
    #15
    goty2001 said:

    Juicing
    I can't recommend juicing enough. Never felt physically better than since I started (a couple of weeks after diagnosis). Wheatgrass, carrots, celery, turmeric, ginger... getting all the good stuff in, in concentrations I could never eat. Supplements good too, but no substitute for the real, natural, organic (if you can) thing.

    all in one go
    So do we make a juice out of all this- wheatgrass, celery, carrots and ginger and turmeric...all at one go u mean?
  • mardigras
    mardigras Member Posts: 215 Member
    #16
    Juicing is great, but small amounts at a time
    I have been juicing for Rob for about eighteen months.
    Prior to his chemo we juiced tunos. These grow wild here and are the fruit of the cactus.
    There are two types. One is green/yellow/orange and one has a green/red skin and dark red flesh inside. This is the tunos indios. This one is a really strong anti-oxidant.
    We live in Gran Canaria for half of the year and it grows wild here. All the fruit/veg shops know of it's benefits for cancer patients and when we first went to try and buy some,
    every shop assistant asked which one of us had cancer. We found out afterwards that it grew wild, so there was no stopping me.
    All I can tell you for certain is that Rob started drinking it every morning with apple juice and when first diagnosed, his tumour was 8.4 cms.
    We went back to England for surgery and with the very same scans, it had shrunk to 5.7cms.
    This was in a period of 3 months.
    I believe that the dark red anti-oxidants are really good for tumours, so in England, I substituted the tunos Indios for blackberries, dark red plums, beetroot and in fact anything very dark red. The darker the better. Tunos is so dark, it is almost black and also has the advantage of being full of pectin. I think this is one of the reasons people
    use applesauce. The pectin seems to help.
    Of course any nice fresh veg and fruits are great with ginger, guabana and frozen dark red fruits if you can't find fresh.
    I hope this helps and I wish you well.
    Hugs and prayers.
    Marci

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