Diet & Exercise study - Viewpoint from Sloan Kettering Onc

pete43lost_at_sea said:

thanks peter
That's the best good news video I have seen in a while.
I feel vindicated about my commitment to exercise and diet over the last 2 years.

An hour's exercise s day and the prudent diet. The onc said high fibre low fat, no milk fat.

I know my vegan / macrobiotic experiments are extreme, but it's crystal clear that what you eat has a significant bearing on our survival.

I will look at the study.

Gee diet and exercise proven beneficial. I feel very pleased I have trusted my research and not listened to my onc, who says diet and exercise still don't matter.

So many stage 3 lives lost because this simple message was not pushed by once, even can over a year ago would not recommend diet and exercise.

I will do another post on the walking posts

Thanks for sharing this amazing news, even the lack of comments tells alot.

Here is the simplest life saving news, so few a willing to invest the effort to change lifestyle

Its dam hard, it takes commitment and strength of purpose.

So the silent majority who told me and a few others it's not proven.

I have been so criticised here, for being fanatical about diet and exercise. That these and my other alternatives are just my desperate fear of dieing from this curse.

Well I suspect those of us here not willing to accept the lifestyle treatment option are free to. But I would hold back from letting your own personal inability to change stop others.

I just feel so vindicated, I am proud of my lifestyle changes. I am confident I have done my best to attain as much health after ignoring my health.

Massive lifestyle change is easy step by step day by day with support. My exercise focus had heaps of support from peep and so many others.

I am so grateful to everyone who posted on the walking post. Everyone who has ever visited our forum would have likely seen it.

I kept diet out of it, because it was so aggressively attacked.

I always tried to post about diet separate to exercise.

Enough said by me, I am not exercising as much as I want too because I have too work now. But for my first 2 colorectal years
I had the ability time and money and motivation to make the best treatment choices.

Hugs,
Pete

Kathryn_in_MN said:

no massive lifestyle change needed
I did all my life(and continue) to follow his recommendations pretty closely. I am a pesco vegetarian (with a little white meat poultry). I do eat yogurt and eggs (he did mention staying away from animal fats in dairy - not sure how he feels about no-fat or lowfat Greek yogurt). I could not eat my normal diet during chemo - way too sick and could only keep a few things down, but other than that, this is how I eat and always have. These are the same things that have been presented to me by my medical team since my diagnosis. I wonder why people have different experiences elsewhere? I finished my first set of treatment spring of 2010 and was involved in some studies on diet and exercise. It has always been recommended to me to get 1 hour of moderate exercise 5 days a week, and to eat a diet high in fruits and vegetables, whole grains and proteins, but low in red meats, and to avoid processed foods as much as possible.

Dr Salz says he does NOT agree with vegan or macrobiotic diets. He DOES agree with a diet high in fresh fruits and vegetables, high in fish, (and poultry is ok too) and whole grains. This is what the studies show, and this is the difference in the Japanese diet he refers to - they are not vegan or macro's, they are mostly pesco vegetarian (with poultry). He also says moderation is key - if you want to enjoy a steak once in a while, that is ok. To me this is COMMON SENSE, and I can't believe anyone would argue against it. Processed foods and lots of red meat are not good for our bodies on so many levels. If you went back to the basics before industrialization, no one ate red meat every day. The hunters caught what they could, and often it was a treat to have meat. People lived on what they could grow, and it wasn't refined and put through so many processes and didn't have chemicals added to it. While I do not eat red meat (it has never agreed with me in taste or digestion), I do not think that someone that eats a small portion of red meat once or twice a week is hurting themselves. I also don't think that someone that has a bowl of ice cream once or twice a month is hurting themselves. But those that eat these things every day are putting themselves at much higher risk for heart problems and cancer. Just like smoking cigarettes, or drinking excessive alcohol. It doesn't have to be an "All or none" approach to changing diet. COMMON SENSE is what is required. BUT - this does NOT mean you won't ever get cancer, and it doesn't mean you won't have a recurrence just because you do eat well. I am a prime example of that. But that doesn't make me wish I'd eaten red meat and junk food - my body doesn't feel well or function well on that crap - if you listen closely to your body, it will tell you what is best.

The exercise is common sense too. And we aren't talking drastic changes here either - just walking at a brisk pace for one hour 5 times per week has been shown to have the SAME benefit as those who exercise more than that. It is those that exercise LESS than that who are at risk.

Maybe I'm not aware of how awful some people's lifestyles are, but to me none of these are drastic changes for anyone - they are easy enough for anyone to do, with a tiny bit of motivation. Avoid McDonald's or hot dogs, and instead have a piece of grilled salmon or chicken breast with some vegetables. Want a snack? Grab a banana or veggie sticks instead of cookies. Use whole grain pasta and brown rice instead of the whites. Have some hummus instead of ranch dressing if you need to dip your veggies. It isn't rocket science. It is common sense and not that difficult. And it doen't hurt if you eat something that isn't a "healthy" food here and there - moderation is key!