Cancer Nutrition

MAJW said:

I agree...
I have to agree with Stef......you've never said anything about yourself.... Bubba are you on this site to "hawk something...? If that is your intent...please...what REALLY caught my eye in re-reading your posts was the, I believe, foods that prevent cancer....I can't believe that the millions that have cancer all had crappy diets! Don't buy it for one minute that certain foods could prevent cancer!!!!!

NancyJac said:

Well I just can't seem to
Well I just can't seem to stay out of trouble here regardless. My opinions are deemed offensive, my information and experience is seen as argumentative, my spirit is not sweet enough (whatever that means) and a 2 person conversation about nutrition has been turned into something it was not by everyone else that posted. If our conversation made you uncomfortable, just stay out of it and don't read it. How does it benefit anyone to jump into this thread just to bad mouth the two people having a conversation?

I get that this is a very touchy feely site which is probably not a very good fit for me anyway. I have given this my best shot twice now, but I am not going to pretend to be someone I am not just to fit into the mold here, nor am I interested in having to constantly walk on eggs for fear of someone being offended by anything and everything that I say.

I have been active on a site called What Next for several months and cancer patients/survivors/caretakers there seem to be more interested in sharing information and experiences and less about the one upping and ganging up that I have found here. I actually became aware of this site from someone at that site. Some one here told me that this is a sorority of sisters. That is all well and good, but some of us are just not willing to go through hell week and be treated like servants or children before we are accepted into the clique. So I respectfully suggest that you examine and reflect upon your own "spirit" before throwing stones on others.

I wish all of you all the very best.

Nancy

bubba29 said:

first, i don't have cancer
first, i don't have cancer and never have. have had family and friends with it. it is sad and i am posting here to hopefully share information that can help people. i too am new to this site and am surprised that many would rather just have hugs and kisses rather that 2 people debate a subject that very well could help millions.

i still encourage everyone here to watch this presentation from one of the top cancer research facilities in the world. skip to the 27 minute mark if you would like to get the crux of the scientific presentation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WUlE1VHGA40

here is a quote from the presentation:

"if you overfeed somebody with carbohydrates you dramatically increase their cancer rate"

here is another quote from a different study:
"Over the last years, evidence has accumulated suggesting that by systematically reducing the amount of dietary carbohydrates (CHOs) one could suppress, or at least delay, the emergence of cancer, and that proliferation of already existing tumor cells could be slowed down."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22029671

Another study:
"Our results indicate that a diet with a high GL and carbohydrate intake is positively associated with an increased risk of developing estrogen receptor and progesterone receptor breast cancer among postmenopausal women."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22760570

Another study:
"Taken together, our findings offer a compelling preclinical illustration of the ability of a low CHO diet in not only restricting weight gain but also cancer development and progression."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21673053

take these studies to your oncologist and ask them their impression.

salls41 said:

Me too
I just knew my oncolog was going to have all sorts of organic healthy advice for me when I finished my treatment. So I too the offensive and asked.. "Ok now what do I do about my diet, foods to avoid?" and she smiled and told me I did need to drop a few pounds (which we had talked about in previous appts)but I should eat what I want in moderate amounts and always try to include my fresh fruits, veggies and nuts everyday. Well thats not a cancer diet because all of my doctors say the same thing. Avoid TOO MUCH red meat, be smart about potatoes and bread and pasta, and always incorporate lots of fruit and veggies.

Can I come along for chardonnay and brownies?
Sandy

Kristin N said:

I don't see that you are in
I don't see that you are in trouble Nancy. I just see some very knowledgeable sisters exchanging information and you are one of them. It is refreshing to see someone with so much knowledge and can back it up.

Rague said:

You are the rediculous one!
As you have finally admitted that you have no personal 'experience' with BC but are the self appointed 'savior' of all us 'poor souls', do you have any medical credentials? Or are you just hawking some sites you found on line - and of course we all know everything posted on the web is true and factual - NOT!

It is very dangerous to say that there is only 'one way' - your way. We are each unique as it is how our body handles the stresses on it. Certainly too many 'empty' calories will cause many problems but there are some who do need to take in 'sugar/carbs to maintain high enough glucose levels - it's called hypoglycemia and yes some of us do deal with the problem post TX. I am one of those and am a very active older woman - to be as active as I am there is no way I could continue to function on protein alone.

Another point that some others have brought up - for some of us keeping weight on is a problem. My Chemo Dr was unhappy with me when I saw him last becausae I had lost 10 lbs. I see my PA on Fri and she's not going to be happy either as I've lost another 10 lbs. There is no "one size fits all" - we are each unique.

It is not as simple as you have said for food into to become glucose in the blood. It is a very complex prosess and the different foods go through different steps and how they are stored/what they are stored as and how they are then changed again to be able to be utilized. It's been about 25 yrs since my last college level A&P class so I won't bother trying to explain it to you but as much as you like the internet you can find plenty of information that can educate you.

My Cancer Center did educate those who needed it in nutrition. Before starting chemo you have an hour, one on one with an RN about the whole process. Part of that was on nutrition, if you felt you wanted more info they have a Nutritionalist you can see or if what the RN heard from you sounded like you needed more info/help you were referred to the Nutritionalist.

You make a lot of assumptions - we're all stupid and haven't educated ourselves - WRONG! We do educate ourselves as we are literally fighting for our life. Certainly we do handle things differently and react differently but we are far from stupid or blind. I am a fighter (always have been and always will) and I do look into anything that makes even a vague amount of sense to me - BUT 'Snake Oil Salesmen" (and their ilk) I can spot a mile away. Also the 'self righteous' who spout that their way is the only way to be 'saved' or claiming that it's because we didn't follolw what they spout is why we got cancer.

Oh bye the bye - everyone's body produces estrogen - men and post menopausal women. It is also in many food we injest. That is why those of us who are ER+ take a estrogen blocker.

Do you realize that all breast cancer is not the same and have different prognosis? There is IBC (Inflammatory Breast Cancer), IDC (Invasive Ductal Carcinoma), ILC (Invasive Lobular Carcinoma), DCIS (Ductal Carcinoma In Situ) and LCIS (Lobular Carcinoma In Situ). There are others but are quite rare. Of the ones listed, IBC is only between !% and 5% of all BC and it is also the most aggressive with the worst prognosis. There are other facors that come into play also - Stage, ER/PR and HER2 status, overall health. There are a lot of 'things' that all have an effect so it is impossible to say anything as a 'flat fact'.

Until you have walked 10 miles in our mocassins do not try to 'preach' your 'religion' to any of us. We live our lives - you can't begin to comprehend. I have 'walked the walk' for almost 3 yrs now with IBC and am still NED (No Evidence of Disease - the best we can get) - I can to some degree understand what others are going through in general but there is no way I can individually know what one I feeling experiencing because I am NOT them - nor are they me.

Winyan - The Power Within

Susan

carkris said:

My info is anecdotal, but I
My info is anecdotal, but I know lots of research is being done on anti inflammatory diets and keeping BS level. I know where I work we are doing studies on this, so I am trying to move toward this. I do believe exersize is key and keeping weight down. I have gained weight on tamoxifen and a working on getting it off. the only thing that seems to work is cutting out sugar and decreasing carbs. When dont eat any carbs i do not feel well. I have been seeing a nutritionist, I think this is better than my onc.