Interesting news today re cymbalta and post chemo pain (from ASCO)

CypressCynthia
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"CHICAGO -- The antidepressant duloxetine (Cymbalta) appears to cut down on the numbness and tingling associated with taxane or platinum-based chemotherapy, according to clinical trial results.

Pain from chemotherapy-induced peripheral neuropathy and its interference with daily life fell significantly with the drug, Ellen Lavoie Smith, PhD, of the University of Michigan School of Nursing in Ann Arbor, and colleagues found.

A clinically significant 30% or greater reduction in pain scores occurred in 33% of duloxetine-treated patients compared with 17% of placebo-treated patients, they reported here at the American Society of Clinical Oncology meeting.

That makes duloxetine the first drug to work against this chronic neuropathy in a clinical trial, Smith noted at an ASCO press conference.

Some other drugs, such as tricyclic antidepressants and gabapentin, are commonly used but haven't been proven in randomized trials for neuropathy, she told MedPage Today.

Duloxetine, which is a serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, likely works by increasing the amount of some pain-inhibiting neurochemicals in the brain, such as dopamine, Smith noted.

The study included 220 patients (mostly breast and gastrointestinal cancer survivors) with peripheral neuropathy induced by paclitaxel or oxaliplatin (Eloxatin) chemotherapy who were randomized to double-blind treatment with duloxetine or placebo.

Duloxetine dosing started at 30 mg daily for the first week then increased to 60 mg for 4 weeks.

The pain scores fell in both groups over the course of treatment, though significantly more with the antidepressant. Scores on the Brief Pain Inventory-Short Form fell by a mean of 1.09 points compared with 0.33 in the placebo group (P=0.004).

The impact of this pain on daily life appeared to improve too, with interference scores summed across general activity, mood, walking, normal work, relationships, sleep, and enjoyment of life declining significantly more with duloxetine (P=0.015).

The majority of patients had at least some pain reduction with duloxetine (59% versus 38% with placebo). Duloxetine halved pain in 21% of patients compared with 9% experiencing the same reduction on placebo.

The drug appeared well tolerated overall with fewer adverse events than seen in prior trials of duloxetine for diabetic neuropathy, which Smith attributed to the lower starting dose in her trial.

Severe adverse events occurred in 7%, and 11% dropped out due to side effects. The most common side effect with duloxetine was fatigue, at 7%. Somnolence, dizziness, nausea, and insomnia were uncommon with duloxetine.

That safety profile is an advantage compared with gabapentin, noted Hope Rugo, MD, from the University of California San Francisco.

"The main issue for breast cancer patients [for whom taxane treatment is standard of care] is that gabapentin, which we've had success with despite its lack of a randomized trial, causes somnolence," she told MedPage Today. "[Duloxetine] doesn't have that side effect, so it could be really advantageous for patients who need treatment for neuropathy."

The next step is figuring out predictors of response, Smith said.

"We have made a step forward," commented Nicholas J. Vogelzang, MD, of the Comprehensive Cancer Centers of Nevada in Las Vegas and US Oncology, who moderated ASCO briefing.

The problem of treatment-induced neuropathy is common with the taxanes and platinum chemotherapy drugs and can be quite debilitating, he noted.

"It's an important quality-of-life concern for our patients," Vogelzang told MedPage Today. "I'm certainly going to try this as soon as I get back in the office.""

From:
Cymbalta after Chemo
http://www.medpagetoday.com/HematologyOncology/Chemotherapy/33078

Comments

  • Gabe N Abby Mom
    Gabe N Abby Mom Member Posts: 2,413
    Thank you! I will
    Thank you! I will definitely be talking about this with my onc...he's always concerned about my neuropathy. Really good info to have.

    Hugs,

    Linda
  • CypressCynthia
    CypressCynthia Member Posts: 4,014 Member

    Thank you! I will
    Thank you! I will definitely be talking about this with my onc...he's always concerned about my neuropathy. Really good info to have.

    Hugs,

    Linda

    You're welcome, my sweet
    You're welcome, my sweet sister! You can tell I am rejoining the land of the living by my pedantic sharing of info. Lol, I swear I can't help it--there is something wrong with me ;-)
  • carkris
    carkris Member Posts: 4,553 Member

    You're welcome, my sweet
    You're welcome, my sweet sister! You can tell I am rejoining the land of the living by my pedantic sharing of info. Lol, I swear I can't help it--there is something wrong with me ;-)

    My neurologist mentioned
    My neurologist mentioned this but i felt like I was jumping out of my skin on it. I wonder if it works in lower doses? I hope you are feeling better CC!
  • CypressCynthia
    CypressCynthia Member Posts: 4,014 Member
    carkris said:

    My neurologist mentioned
    My neurologist mentioned this but i felt like I was jumping out of my skin on it. I wonder if it works in lower doses? I hope you are feeling better CC!

    Yes, my psychiatrist sister
    Yes, my psychiatrist sister often recommends starting low and going slow--especially if you are sensitive to meds and/or older. Also, other meds can sometimes increase potency of each other. BTW, cymbalta is a drug that can have some drug-drug interactions (it can't be taken with some meds), so make sure your physician checks.

    I am super sensitive to meds and, what would not be therapeutic for 90% of the population, works great for me.

    And, sometimes, after you are tolerating the lower dose well, you can then slowly increase your dose.

    Many antidepressants (cymbalta is in that category even though it is also used for neuropathy and pain and not just depression)can initially give you a weird "anxiety surge" (my words), but it is usually temporary and will then actually diminish and treat anxiety in time. Psychiatrist sister can explain this better and I forget why it occurs, but I know some people have to be covered with another drug until the adjustment does occur. This adjustment usually takes about 2 weeks, but I would give it a month.

    This happened to me on effexor and I even had a little spike in blood pressure for a few days. Then it totally disappeared, as did the uncomfortable in my own skin feeling.

    Hope this helps!
  • CypressCynthia
    CypressCynthia Member Posts: 4,014 Member

    Yes, my psychiatrist sister
    Yes, my psychiatrist sister often recommends starting low and going slow--especially if you are sensitive to meds and/or older. Also, other meds can sometimes increase potency of each other. BTW, cymbalta is a drug that can have some drug-drug interactions (it can't be taken with some meds), so make sure your physician checks.

    I am super sensitive to meds and, what would not be therapeutic for 90% of the population, works great for me.

    And, sometimes, after you are tolerating the lower dose well, you can then slowly increase your dose.

    Many antidepressants (cymbalta is in that category even though it is also used for neuropathy and pain and not just depression)can initially give you a weird "anxiety surge" (my words), but it is usually temporary and will then actually diminish and treat anxiety in time. Psychiatrist sister can explain this better and I forget why it occurs, but I know some people have to be covered with another drug until the adjustment does occur. This adjustment usually takes about 2 weeks, but I would give it a month.

    This happened to me on effexor and I even had a little spike in blood pressure for a few days. Then it totally disappeared, as did the uncomfortable in my own skin feeling.

    Hope this helps!

    PS If you started at the
    PS If you started at the lowest dosage, you can buy a pill splitter (available in any pharmacy) or, if the pill is a capsule, you can remove half of the contents. You can ask your pharmacist about empty gelatin capsules so that you can pour the other half into them and not waste any of your med.

    One exception is enteric coated pills--they are meant to be absorbed in your intestine and not your stomach and usually should not be split.

    Ask your health care provider; they can help. Good luck!
  • camul
    camul Member Posts: 2,537
    This is good to know
    I was on gabapentin for about 6 months but felt no difference in the neuropathy. Started low and built up and still nothing, so they weaned me off. My oncologist said that it does not work for everyone. I am on Navelbine and it is much better. It was pretty rough when I was on Halaven.

    I will have to show this to him when we change the chemo meds again.
  • carkris
    carkris Member Posts: 4,553 Member
    camul said:

    This is good to know
    I was on gabapentin for about 6 months but felt no difference in the neuropathy. Started low and built up and still nothing, so they weaned me off. My oncologist said that it does not work for everyone. I am on Navelbine and it is much better. It was pretty rough when I was on Halaven.

    I will have to show this to him when we change the chemo meds again.

    I take 5 mg of lexapro and
    I take 5 mg of lexapro and it does the trick, many people start at 10. however It makes you gain weight, which is no fun when you are on tamoxifen which makes you gain weight, so i tried the cymbalta. Cant remember what dose, I lost 4 pounds in one day, and i felt like I needed to go to the ER. I need the lexapro (see Irish girls thread) but I hate the weight effects. I do have a pill splitter for the lexapro.