Charitable Compensation - American Cancer Society Exec???

alice124
alice124 Member Posts: 896 Member
in Kidney Cancer #1
Just read a piece from Chris Battle (http://kidneycancerchronicles.com/american-cancer-society-salaries/) about what the head of American Cancer Society rakes in. WOW!

Given that I and John's family and friends just signed up for a walk (Walking for John) on May 6 in support of National Kidney Foundation (http://donate.kidney.org/site/TR?fr_id=4480&pg=entry), I'm a little discouraged as it's hard to see this as anything but greed at the top. We've personally collected a measley $2000 so far but the overall walk has collected over $75,000 with a goal of more than twice that. And I wonder if the National Kidney Foundation has a similar scale. Guess I need to google this stuff too before I get involved.

Here's a clip from Chris Battle:

"Who knew how rewarding charity work could be -- and I don't mean spiritually or emotionally. Did you know that John Seffrin, the head of the American Cancer Society, makes $2,270,450 a year? (If you include bonuses and deferred compensation, it's closer to $2.5 million.)

I give money to American Cancer Society. Or did. No more. I don't think I'll be running any Relays for Life either. They should consider changing the title to Relay for John."

Comments

  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798
    #2
    Compensation
    Sobering indeed. Even if there's a plausible economic argument that he's worth that level of remuneration, one has to wonder, especially in a charitable endeavour such as the ACS, whether there isn't someone equally good who would be prepared to do the job for significantly less.
  • garym
    garym Member Posts: 1,647
    #3
    Compensation...
    Unbelievable!!! Friends have said that there is so much money in cancer that if a universal cure ever were discovered it would be quashed, I'd hate to think so, but ya gotta wonder.
  • icemantoo
    icemantoo Member Posts: 3,361 Member
    #4
    garym said:

    Compensation...
    Unbelievable!!! Friends have said that there is so much money in cancer that if a universal cure ever were discovered it would be quashed, I'd hate to think so, but ya gotta wonder.

    Compensation
    The Annual Compensation of a charities highest paid employees are in their 990 tax return which is available on line. For the National Kidney Foundation John R. Davis took in $607,594 in 2010.
  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798
    #5
    icemantoo said:

    Compensation
    The Annual Compensation of a charities highest paid employees are in their 990 tax return which is available on line. For the National Kidney Foundation John R. Davis took in $607,594 in 2010.

    Compensation
    What was that favourite line in the Rowan & Martin Laugh In? Ah yes, "Veeeerrrrry interesting!!"
  • angec
    angec Member Posts: 924 Member
    #6
    garym said:

    Compensation...
    Unbelievable!!! Friends have said that there is so much money in cancer that if a universal cure ever were discovered it would be quashed, I'd hate to think so, but ya gotta wonder.

    I agree. I was reading about
    I agree. I was reading about Dr. Royal Rife and the way he was curing ppl with those special machines he created. They covered up his information for years. They don't really want a cure for cancer, just something that can keep it at bay it seems and they can still make tons of money from it. There is no way in the world with all the money and research that they can't cure this cancer. How come so many alternative Doctors are doing great like the clinics in Mexico, vegas and the like? Homeopathy is doing well also with Dr. Banerji. I overheard two oncologist talking while mom was in the hospital and they had a good chuckle saying they would never take the chemo. When they saw i was nearby they nearly turned pale since i just had a conversation with the minutes before and they swear chemo is the way to go. Although it is mentioned everywhere that chemo really doesn't work. But what do they care, after all, it is just my 79 year old mother at stake.

    Here is the link on Dr. Royal Rife.. check out the astounding information and the cover up. I know TW will tear into it if he hasn't seen it already.

    http://rife.org/
  • angec
    angec Member Posts: 924 Member
    #7
    garym said:

    Compensation...
    Unbelievable!!! Friends have said that there is so much money in cancer that if a universal cure ever were discovered it would be quashed, I'd hate to think so, but ya gotta wonder.

    I agree. I was reading about
    I agree. I was reading about Dr. Royal Rife and the way he was curing ppl with those special machines he created. They covered up his information for years. They don't really want a cure for cancer, just something that can keep it at bay it seems and they can still make tons of money from it. There is no way in the world with all the money and research that they can't cure this cancer. How come so many alternative Doctors are doing great like the clinics in Mexico, vegas and the like? Homeopathy is doing well also with Dr. Banerji. I overheard two oncologist talking while mom was in the hospital and they had a good chuckle saying they would never take the chemo. When they saw i was nearby they nearly turned pale since i just had a conversation with the minutes before and they swear chemo is the way to go. Although it is mentioned everywhere that chemo really doesn't work. But what do they care, after all, it is just my 79 year old mother at stake.

    Here is the link on Dr. Royal Rife.. check out the astounding information and the cover up. I know TW will tear into it if he hasn't seen it already.

    http://rife.org/
  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798
    #8
    angec said:

    I agree. I was reading about
    I agree. I was reading about Dr. Royal Rife and the way he was curing ppl with those special machines he created. They covered up his information for years. They don't really want a cure for cancer, just something that can keep it at bay it seems and they can still make tons of money from it. There is no way in the world with all the money and research that they can't cure this cancer. How come so many alternative Doctors are doing great like the clinics in Mexico, vegas and the like? Homeopathy is doing well also with Dr. Banerji. I overheard two oncologist talking while mom was in the hospital and they had a good chuckle saying they would never take the chemo. When they saw i was nearby they nearly turned pale since i just had a conversation with the minutes before and they swear chemo is the way to go. Although it is mentioned everywhere that chemo really doesn't work. But what do they care, after all, it is just my 79 year old mother at stake.

    Here is the link on Dr. Royal Rife.. check out the astounding information and the cover up. I know TW will tear into it if he hasn't seen it already.

    http://rife.org/

    The gravy train
    You're right there Angela. Thanks for the link. I'm feeling a bit rough just now so have only glanced at it so far. (I'm reading Ben Goldacre's excellent book "Bad Science" at present - recommended although it may not all be palatable.)

    With the notorious English predilection for compromise, I'm going to take a central position and say there's much to be said on both sides in this argument. There's no doubt this is the biggest gravy train - it's been calculated that cancers cost the world economy more than any other single factor. Lots of people stand to lose a great deal of money and job security if "cancer" is ever cracked completely.

    On the other hand, we do know that there are more than 200 distinct types of cancer. We know that cancers are very slippery customers and we are beginning to better understand why - see e.g. the thread I started 2 days ago, entitled "RCC - The sneaky disease" (where I'm amazed to see no-one has taken it up - nobody got any comment to make on the research quoted?!). Moreover, kidney cancer seems to be orders of magnitude more problematic than other forms of cancer.

    There's a great deal of genuine research, money and energy going into trying to beat it. There are also massive vested interests dedicated to hamstringing promising work to avoid snouts finding their troughs disappearing.
  • icemantoo
    icemantoo Member Posts: 3,361 Member
    #9
    Texas_wedge said:

    The gravy train
    You're right there Angela. Thanks for the link. I'm feeling a bit rough just now so have only glanced at it so far. (I'm reading Ben Goldacre's excellent book "Bad Science" at present - recommended although it may not all be palatable.)

    With the notorious English predilection for compromise, I'm going to take a central position and say there's much to be said on both sides in this argument. There's no doubt this is the biggest gravy train - it's been calculated that cancers cost the world economy more than any other single factor. Lots of people stand to lose a great deal of money and job security if "cancer" is ever cracked completely.

    On the other hand, we do know that there are more than 200 distinct types of cancer. We know that cancers are very slippery customers and we are beginning to better understand why - see e.g. the thread I started 2 days ago, entitled "RCC - The sneaky disease" (where I'm amazed to see no-one has taken it up - nobody got any comment to make on the research quoted?!). Moreover, kidney cancer seems to be orders of magnitude more problematic than other forms of cancer.

    There's a great deal of genuine research, money and energy going into trying to beat it. There are also massive vested interests dedicated to hamstringing promising work to avoid snouts finding their troughs disappearing.

    Compensation continued
    Earlier I referred to the compensation of the President of the National Kidney Foundation. This should not be confused with the Kidney Cancer Associatin where none of the top officers receives compensation except for the corporate secretary who receives about $48,000 and total compensation for the organization are about $206,000 according to their 2010 990 return.
  • alice124
    alice124 Member Posts: 896 Member
    #10
    icemantoo said:

    Compensation continued
    Earlier I referred to the compensation of the President of the National Kidney Foundation. This should not be confused with the Kidney Cancer Associatin where none of the top officers receives compensation except for the corporate secretary who receives about $48,000 and total compensation for the organization are about $206,000 according to their 2010 990 return.

    Thank you Iceman
    That info on the National Kidney Foundation makes me feel better about our walk anyway. Thanks for not letting me brood about that.

    I'm not suggesting charity CEO's shouldn't be paid, but I thought the number for the American Cancer Society was a little over the top.
  • sunlover_56
    sunlover_56 Member Posts: 110
    #11
    Charity
    We have relay for life here where I live. I havent participated yet because it is generally on weeekends and I work. I am glad to get all this information on salaries and such to be able to make a decicion when the next one comes up.
  • sunlover_56
    sunlover_56 Member Posts: 110
    #12
    Texas_wedge said:

    The gravy train
    You're right there Angela. Thanks for the link. I'm feeling a bit rough just now so have only glanced at it so far. (I'm reading Ben Goldacre's excellent book "Bad Science" at present - recommended although it may not all be palatable.)

    With the notorious English predilection for compromise, I'm going to take a central position and say there's much to be said on both sides in this argument. There's no doubt this is the biggest gravy train - it's been calculated that cancers cost the world economy more than any other single factor. Lots of people stand to lose a great deal of money and job security if "cancer" is ever cracked completely.

    On the other hand, we do know that there are more than 200 distinct types of cancer. We know that cancers are very slippery customers and we are beginning to better understand why - see e.g. the thread I started 2 days ago, entitled "RCC - The sneaky disease" (where I'm amazed to see no-one has taken it up - nobody got any comment to make on the research quoted?!). Moreover, kidney cancer seems to be orders of magnitude more problematic than other forms of cancer.

    There's a great deal of genuine research, money and energy going into trying to beat it. There are also massive vested interests dedicated to hamstringing promising work to avoid snouts finding their troughs disappearing.

    Tex
    I just love the way you word things ... lol

    "There's a great deal of genuine research, money and energy going into trying to beat it. There are also massive vested interests dedicated to hamstringing promising work to avoid snouts finding their troughs disappearing."
  • clbattle
    clbattle Member Posts: 5
    #13
    Thanks for the post
    Alice, thanks for the post about my blog article. Like you, I believe charity CEOs should be compensated; otherwise we'd never have organizations effectively managed. It would just be nice to see a little restraint. There is so much need for research to find a cure, and I believe the money we raise should be focused on this. I suspect ACS could find a leader who would be willing to set a better example. I appreciate all that you, and so many others, do to raise money for this very purpose.
  • foxhd
    foxhd Member Posts: 3,181 Member
    #14
    clbattle said:

    Thanks for the post
    Alice, thanks for the post about my blog article. Like you, I believe charity CEOs should be compensated; otherwise we'd never have organizations effectively managed. It would just be nice to see a little restraint. There is so much need for research to find a cure, and I believe the money we raise should be focused on this. I suspect ACS could find a leader who would be willing to set a better example. I appreciate all that you, and so many others, do to raise money for this very purpose.

    nomination
    ........I nominate Wedgie for chairman of the American Cancer Society.
  • garym
    garym Member Posts: 1,647
    #15
    foxhd said:

    nomination
    ........I nominate Wedgie for chairman of the American Cancer Society.

    Nomination...
    Second, and move the nominations be closed!
  • alice124
    alice124 Member Posts: 896 Member
    #16
    clbattle said:

    Thanks for the post
    Alice, thanks for the post about my blog article. Like you, I believe charity CEOs should be compensated; otherwise we'd never have organizations effectively managed. It would just be nice to see a little restraint. There is so much need for research to find a cure, and I believe the money we raise should be focused on this. I suspect ACS could find a leader who would be willing to set a better example. I appreciate all that you, and so many others, do to raise money for this very purpose.

    Compensation
    And thank you for all your wonderful blog articles. I thoroughly enjoy reading them and am anxiously awaiting your report on the HDIL-15.

    I hope and pray it is doing what it's supposed to do.

    _______________________________
    P.S. Our "Walking for John" team ended up raising $12,000 and was the first place fund raising team, a fact that made us all proud and hopeful. But--even more impressive--was the Walk collectively. We raised over $225,000, almost $50,000 above our goal. Now let's hope something good comes from it.
  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798
    #17
    alice124 said:

    Compensation
    And thank you for all your wonderful blog articles. I thoroughly enjoy reading them and am anxiously awaiting your report on the HDIL-15.

    I hope and pray it is doing what it's supposed to do.

    _______________________________
    P.S. Our "Walking for John" team ended up raising $12,000 and was the first place fund raising team, a fact that made us all proud and hopeful. But--even more impressive--was the Walk collectively. We raised over $225,000, almost $50,000 above our goal. Now let's hope something good comes from it.

    Fund-raising
    Well done Alice, that is indeed very impressive. How will you seek to ensure that something good does come from it?
  • alice124
    alice124 Member Posts: 896 Member
    #18
    Texas_wedge said:

    Fund-raising
    Well done Alice, that is indeed very impressive. How will you seek to ensure that something good does come from it?

    fund raising
    "Ensuring something good" is probably too strong, but the NKF does do a reasonably good job in advancing kidney disease education. NKF also promotes earlier detection of kidney cancer/disease and supports research identifying prognostic indicators.

    We—as a group--want the financial success of this WALK to also reflect a stronger voice in support of kidney disease/cancer resources. Support for the Cancer leg of NKF was very well represented at the WALK and NKF is well aware that kidney cancer patients and their support network were the stronghold of the WALK. Hopefully, that will make a difference in their monetary allocation process, particularly with government support ailing.
  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798
    #19
    alice124 said:

    fund raising
    "Ensuring something good" is probably too strong, but the NKF does do a reasonably good job in advancing kidney disease education. NKF also promotes earlier detection of kidney cancer/disease and supports research identifying prognostic indicators.

    We—as a group--want the financial success of this WALK to also reflect a stronger voice in support of kidney disease/cancer resources. Support for the Cancer leg of NKF was very well represented at the WALK and NKF is well aware that kidney cancer patients and their support network were the stronghold of the WALK. Hopefully, that will make a difference in their monetary allocation process, particularly with government support ailing.

    fund raising
    That's all very good news and that was a very worthwhile amount of cash to raise - it's sure to yield great benefits and it will do no harm at all that you've raised the profile of RCC within the NKF.

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