Helen, you had posted something about B-17. Can't remember where, but was very interested.
http://www.worldwithoutcancer.org.uk/aspreventative.html
Where else would you recommend finding information?
I did find a very long technical article by, believe it or not, someone named, Earnest T. Krebbs, who I thought was the name of someone from Dobbi Gillis, is that the name of the old tv show? Here is something else based on his stuff.
Anyway, the discussion of how B-17 is such a natural part of unprocessed foods and belongs in the diet to maintain wellness, was very interesting.
I appreciate the path you have opened. I remember when I was reasearching wheat grass and just couldn't quite get a handle on why it was so powerful and then, one article mentioned the B-17, and I just thought-ah, there it is.
I'm not saying eat seven apricot seeds, what I do take from info like this is, hunh, B-17 can help our cells, cancer processes it differently and it's in lots of foods, I think I will add some of them to my diet. But, I am in a not so fearful state right now. If stage four hits me, I'll be drinking my wheat grass smoothie and really upping the consumption of fruit seeds and other grasses.
Vitamin B17 As a Preventative
Vitamin B-17 is one of the main sources of food in cultures such as the Eskimos, the Hunzas, the Abkasians and many more. Did you know that within these tribes there has never been a reported case of cancer? According to Dr. Krebs, we need a minimum of 100 mg of vitamin B-17 (the equivalent of about seven apricots seeds) too nearly guarantee a cancer free life. Foods that contain vitamin B-17 are as follows:
• KERNELS OR SEEDS OF FRUIT: The highest concentration of vitamin B-17 to be found in nature, aside from bitter almonds. Apple, apricot, cherry, nectarine, peach, pear, plum, prune.
• BEANS: broad (Vicia faba), burma, chickpeas, lentils (sprouted), lima, mung (sprouted), Rangoon, scarlet runner.
• NUTS: Bitter almond, macadamia, cashew.
• BERRIES: Almost all wild berries. Blackberry, chokeberry, Christmas berry, cranberry, elderberry, raspberry, strawberry.
• SEEDS: Chia, flax, sesame.
• GRASSES: Acacia, alfalfa (sprouted), aquatic, Johnson, milkweed, Sudan, minus, wheat grass, white dover.
• GRAINS: oat groats, barley, brown rice, buckwheat groats, chia, flax, millet, rye, vetch, wheat berries.
• MISCELLANEOUS: bamboo shoots, fuschia plant, sorghum, wild hydrangea, yew tree (needles, fresh leaves).
Two rules of thumb: According to Dr. Krebs, the basic concept is that sufficient daily B-17 may be obtained by following either of two suggestions:
First, eating all the B-17-containing fruits whole (seeds included), but not eating more of the seeds by themselves than you would be eating if you ate them in the whole fruit. Example: if you eat three apples a day, the seeds in the three apples are sufficient B-17. You would not eat a pound of apple seeds.
Second, one peach or apricot kernel per 10 lbs of body weight is believed to be more than sufficient as a normal safeguard in cancer prevention, although precise numbers may vary from person to person in accordance with individual metabolism and dietary habits. A 170-lb man, for example, might consume 17 apricot or peach kernels per day and receive a biologically reasonable amount of Vitamin B-17.
And two important notes: Certainly, you can consume too much of anything. Too many kernels or seeds, for example, can be expected to produce unpleasant side effects. These natural foods should be consumed in biologically rational amounts (no more than 30 to 35 kernels per day).
High concentrations of B-17 are obtained by eating the natural foods in their raw or sprouting stage. This does not mean that moderate cooking and other tampering will destroy the B-17 content. Foods cooked at a temperature sufficient for a Chinese dinner, for example, will not lose their B-17 content.
On one site there was a diet for a typical day where a person could make meals and have more than adequate consumption of B-17.
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Found the diet for a day.
"...Lest this new vitamin B-17 or nitriloside still be a less concrete reality in your mind than ascorbic acid, thiamine, niacin or the like, let me leave you with an example of a daily ration or diet remarkably rich in nitriloside or vitamin B-17. For breakfast we start with buckwheat, millet and flax-seed gruel; all three cereals are very rich in nitriloside. On our millet bread toast we put some nitriloside rich elderberry jelly. The stewed apricots we eat carry the nitriloside-rich seeds, which we detect through their delicious almond-like flavor. At lunch we have nitriloside-rich lima beans or possibly a succotash containing nitriloside-rich chick peas. Our millet rolls may be spread with plum jam carrying the nitriloside-rich seeds that add so much to the flavor of the jam. We may choose some nitriloside-rich elderberry wine. For dinner we may have a salad with some nitriloside-rich bean sprouts and nitriloside-rich millet sprouts. Our dinner rolls may be made of nitriloside-rich buckwheat and nitriloside-rich millet and sweetened with nitriloside-rich sorghum molasses extracted from sorghum cane--almost all of the foregoing are very rich in nitrilosides. For our meat course we may have rabbet that fed on nitriloside-rich clover and as a result carries 5 to 10 times more thiocyanate and nitriloside than animals not so fed. If the milk we drink came from cows that ate fodder rich in nitrilosides this milk will contain as much as 7 times more nitriloside than a cow living on nitriloside-deficient fodder. At the end of the dinner we may choose a nitriloside-rich apricot, peach, cherry, or plum brandy originally prepared from crushing the entire or whole fruit. We may also choose a number of wild berries very rich in nitrilosides--all members of the raspberry family. We may nibble on some nitriloside-rich macadamia nuts or chew nitriloside-rich bamboo sprouts.
In such a menu of three meals in the course of a day we should ingest over 300 mg of nitriloside or vitamin B-17 in our foods--every one of which contained nitriloside. The quantities of the vitamin B-17 in the described foods have been very carefully determined by independent workers over the years. Because of our cultural antipathy to cyanide, our food technology has made every conceivable effort through processing, hybridizing, distilling, etc., to remove every trace of derivable cyanide from foods for man and animals. It is good that this irrationality has not to date, at least, completely removed the cyanide-containing vitamin B-12 or cyanocobalamin.
Finally, let me conclude with this. In nitriloside or vitamin B-17 we have a new vitamin in which all of us are severely deficient. This fact is beyond question. As to the clinical application of vitamin B-17 (nitriloside) in human and animal cancer, we feel that every case is morally entitled to whatever vitamin B-17 can offer, just as every being stricken with scurvy, pellagra, or pernicious anemia is morally entitled, respectively, to vitamin C, niacin, vitamin B-12 and folic acid. Indeed, the matter goes far beyond clinical cancer itself. Mankind can not afford any longer a human and animal population deficient in vitamin C, vitamin B-12, vitamin B-15, vitamin B-17 or any other vitamin essential to animal or human nutrition..."
From Dr. Krebs article0 -
Lots of info on B17 out there
Hi Claudia
Yes, I have been to the site you mentioned. If you Google "vitamin B17" you will find lots of links to sites about this particular "vitamin" (although some will argue that it's not actually a vitamin at all - it's a bit of a highly debated area).
I was keen to get a high dose of B17 into my body immediately after chemo, with the aim of stopping any further cancer cells from developing. I found that the apricot seeds themselves tasted so bad to me that I just couldn't manage them. So I opted for the tablets instead. I was very careful about dosing and increased very gradually, to minimise side effects, but once I got to the high dose (6 x 500mg tablets per day) I stayed there for 3 months before gradually reducing the doseage. I now take 3 x 500mg tablets per day.
It's important to recognise the difference between eating B17 as a "preventative", i.e, for those who have never had cancer and wish to try to avoid getting it (this should be easy to achieve by eating foods naturally high in B17 and consuming the pips etc) and actually trying to stop cancer taking a hold again after treatment. I believed that I needed to take in a higher dose after my chemo to stop those pesky cells from re-establishing themselves. My aim is to continue to take 3 x 500mg per day for the foreseeable future. Should I be lucky and get to the 5 year "all clear" (is there such a thing as ever being all clear from this darned disease?) then I will probably reduce the tablets gradually and increase my intake of B17 rich foods. but one step at a time, eh?
Good to have you back on the boards, Claudia - we really did miss you
Helen0 -
B17-rich foodsHellieC said:Lots of info on B17 out there
Hi Claudia
Yes, I have been to the site you mentioned. If you Google "vitamin B17" you will find lots of links to sites about this particular "vitamin" (although some will argue that it's not actually a vitamin at all - it's a bit of a highly debated area).
I was keen to get a high dose of B17 into my body immediately after chemo, with the aim of stopping any further cancer cells from developing. I found that the apricot seeds themselves tasted so bad to me that I just couldn't manage them. So I opted for the tablets instead. I was very careful about dosing and increased very gradually, to minimise side effects, but once I got to the high dose (6 x 500mg tablets per day) I stayed there for 3 months before gradually reducing the doseage. I now take 3 x 500mg tablets per day.
It's important to recognise the difference between eating B17 as a "preventative", i.e, for those who have never had cancer and wish to try to avoid getting it (this should be easy to achieve by eating foods naturally high in B17 and consuming the pips etc) and actually trying to stop cancer taking a hold again after treatment. I believed that I needed to take in a higher dose after my chemo to stop those pesky cells from re-establishing themselves. My aim is to continue to take 3 x 500mg per day for the foreseeable future. Should I be lucky and get to the 5 year "all clear" (is there such a thing as ever being all clear from this darned disease?) then I will probably reduce the tablets gradually and increase my intake of B17 rich foods. but one step at a time, eh?
Good to have you back on the boards, Claudia - we really did miss you
Helen
I'm not sure that I could handle eating rabbit and plum jam or drinking elderberry wine--odd that the website highlighted those examples. However, the list of B17-rich food is pretty extensive; and I THINK I get enough of those foods each day.
Is there some way that we could create a thread where we post what we are eating each day? Would that clog up the board? Would anyone be interested? I am just so badly in need of diet partners to help me stay on track. I believe in the power of food the way in which others might believe in the power of religion. Anyone interested in sharing meal plans and recipes?
Love to all; and thanks Helen and Claudia for sharing this important information. I couldn't believe how much data I found when I Googled B17!
Jill0 -
Helen, I rather think there will never be a timeHellieC said:Lots of info on B17 out there
Hi Claudia
Yes, I have been to the site you mentioned. If you Google "vitamin B17" you will find lots of links to sites about this particular "vitamin" (although some will argue that it's not actually a vitamin at all - it's a bit of a highly debated area).
I was keen to get a high dose of B17 into my body immediately after chemo, with the aim of stopping any further cancer cells from developing. I found that the apricot seeds themselves tasted so bad to me that I just couldn't manage them. So I opted for the tablets instead. I was very careful about dosing and increased very gradually, to minimise side effects, but once I got to the high dose (6 x 500mg tablets per day) I stayed there for 3 months before gradually reducing the doseage. I now take 3 x 500mg tablets per day.
It's important to recognise the difference between eating B17 as a "preventative", i.e, for those who have never had cancer and wish to try to avoid getting it (this should be easy to achieve by eating foods naturally high in B17 and consuming the pips etc) and actually trying to stop cancer taking a hold again after treatment. I believed that I needed to take in a higher dose after my chemo to stop those pesky cells from re-establishing themselves. My aim is to continue to take 3 x 500mg per day for the foreseeable future. Should I be lucky and get to the 5 year "all clear" (is there such a thing as ever being all clear from this darned disease?) then I will probably reduce the tablets gradually and increase my intake of B17 rich foods. but one step at a time, eh?
Good to have you back on the boards, Claudia - we really did miss you
Helen
when I can safely go back to the times when I did whatever I chose. I feel those ways are what allowed cancer to establish itself in large enough numbers to be detected. But will there come a time when we can calmly apply what we've learned and have oodles of balanced fun, you betcha those days are coming. How far out are you currently from diagnosis?0 -
Diagnosis was complicated!california_artist said:Helen, I rather think there will never be a time
when I can safely go back to the times when I did whatever I chose. I feel those ways are what allowed cancer to establish itself in large enough numbers to be detected. But will there come a time when we can calmly apply what we've learned and have oodles of balanced fun, you betcha those days are coming. How far out are you currently from diagnosis?
2001 - hyst for suspected cancer - atypial cells had been found during earlier D&C. But pathology from hyst showed no cancer, so we assumed D&C had got everything!
2008 - "recurrence" found at vault - surprise to everyone after all that time, not least me! Treated with radiotherapy and post treatment scans were clear.
2010 - second recurrence found - major pelvic debulking surgery and 6 rounds of carbo/taxol - completed Jan 2011.
I guess that means I'm 11 years since diagnosis and 13 months NED since latest treatment? So I would show as a 5 year survivor despite the fact that I'm still battling1
Helen0 -
Helen,HellieC said:Diagnosis was complicated!
2001 - hyst for suspected cancer - atypial cells had been found during earlier D&C. But pathology from hyst showed no cancer, so we assumed D&C had got everything!
2008 - "recurrence" found at vault - surprise to everyone after all that time, not least me! Treated with radiotherapy and post treatment scans were clear.
2010 - second recurrence found - major pelvic debulking surgery and 6 rounds of carbo/taxol - completed Jan 2011.
I guess that means I'm 11 years since diagnosis and 13 months NED since latest treatment? So I would show as a 5 year survivor despite the fact that I'm still battling1
Helen
Here's an interesting little tidbit. One can be both a five year survivor of cancer and die of cancer just the same, still showing as a five year survivor. Mostly all other diseases, you have them for life, diabetes, heart disease, if you are still alive after five years with diabetes no one refers to you as a five year survivor. There are most likely many people who have squeaked by their five year mark and die in year six or seven or ten, but still die of their cancer. In remission for five years would be a more telling tale of your outlook for cancer survival, although your story would shoot that theory all the smithereens, eh?
At which point in time did you begin the B-17, I think you said after chemo. 2011?
Claudia0 -
JillRewriter said:B17-rich foods
I'm not sure that I could handle eating rabbit and plum jam or drinking elderberry wine--odd that the website highlighted those examples. However, the list of B17-rich food is pretty extensive; and I THINK I get enough of those foods each day.
Is there some way that we could create a thread where we post what we are eating each day? Would that clog up the board? Would anyone be interested? I am just so badly in need of diet partners to help me stay on track. I believe in the power of food the way in which others might believe in the power of religion. Anyone interested in sharing meal plans and recipes?
Love to all; and thanks Helen and Claudia for sharing this important information. I couldn't believe how much data I found when I Googled B17!
Jill
I bet if you created a thread to help each other on our daily eating & recipe ideas, you'd have a huge following...myself included. If it's clogging the boards, that's telling us it's a POPULAR subject matter...think?
Go for it....
Jan0 -
Jill,Rewriter said:B17-rich foods
I'm not sure that I could handle eating rabbit and plum jam or drinking elderberry wine--odd that the website highlighted those examples. However, the list of B17-rich food is pretty extensive; and I THINK I get enough of those foods each day.
Is there some way that we could create a thread where we post what we are eating each day? Would that clog up the board? Would anyone be interested? I am just so badly in need of diet partners to help me stay on track. I believe in the power of food the way in which others might believe in the power of religion. Anyone interested in sharing meal plans and recipes?
Love to all; and thanks Helen and Claudia for sharing this important information. I couldn't believe how much data I found when I Googled B17!
Jill
to post our recipes is a very good idea. I will share my ideas.
Here is the first one.
Very healthy, nutritious and energizing food/snack the Hunzas make. You can store it for a long time and eat as a sweat treat.
Ingredients:
1 cup dried apricots
1 cup hazelnuts
1 cup dried cranberries (the original recipe are dried blackberries, which is rather difficult to find)
1 cup of almonds
Preparation:
Hunza grind all the ingredients in a stone mortar. You can grind everything in a blender. We need to get the mass, from which we can form a small candy bars or balls.
This snack is full of B170 -
Hey, thanks about clearing up the Krebbs thingKaleena said:P.S.
Bob Denver (who later
P.S.
Bob Denver (who later played Gilligan from Gilligan's Island) played a character named Maynard Krebbs on the show The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis.
So, is everything by you?0 -
Trust me to shoot the theory down......california_artist said:Helen,
Here's an interesting little tidbit. One can be both a five year survivor of cancer and die of cancer just the same, still showing as a five year survivor. Mostly all other diseases, you have them for life, diabetes, heart disease, if you are still alive after five years with diabetes no one refers to you as a five year survivor. There are most likely many people who have squeaked by their five year mark and die in year six or seven or ten, but still die of their cancer. In remission for five years would be a more telling tale of your outlook for cancer survival, although your story would shoot that theory all the smithereens, eh?
At which point in time did you begin the B-17, I think you said after chemo. 2011?
Claudia
You're right, Claudia - five year survival doesn't distinguish between those who are alive without disease and those who are still battling it! But, like you said, my outlook seemed more positive when I got to the 7 year mark - and then wham! Then 2.5 years of OK-ness post radiotherapy (dared to think we might have beaten the beast again), then wham again!
I started the B17 one month after my last chemo. So I've been taking it since February 2011. Now taking 3 x 500mg tablets per day. Also take other supplements (zinc, vitamin D3, glucosamine etc) and try to eat a healthier diet (but regularly fall off the wagon!).
I have been lucky that my recurrences have, to date, been local - nothing in lymph modes or distant organs, but I also know that my chance of another recurrence is "moderate" (to quote my oncologist "yes, it is possible that surgery and chemo will cure this, but on the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if it resurfaced within a couple of years.....".)! i remain cautiously hopeful and keep taking the tablets!
Keep on posting, Claudia - I'm looking forward to seeing more of your paintings - hope you get your mojo for painting back soon.
Helen0 -
Hanging in there. Runningcalifornia_artist said:Hey, thanks about clearing up the Krebbs thing
So, is everything by you?
Hanging in there. Running the office while my husband and two of my sons are on a short cruise. I stayed behind with our younger son who is practicing for the high school musical and to run the office.0 -
Hi Helli, hope you are doingHellieC said:Diagnosis was complicated!
2001 - hyst for suspected cancer - atypial cells had been found during earlier D&C. But pathology from hyst showed no cancer, so we assumed D&C had got everything!
2008 - "recurrence" found at vault - surprise to everyone after all that time, not least me! Treated with radiotherapy and post treatment scans were clear.
2010 - second recurrence found - major pelvic debulking surgery and 6 rounds of carbo/taxol - completed Jan 2011.
I guess that means I'm 11 years since diagnosis and 13 months NED since latest treatment? So I would show as a 5 year survivor despite the fact that I'm still battling1
HelenHi Helli, hope you are doing well. Just wondering if you are still taking the B17? How is that working out for you? Praying you have a great rest of the year! xxoo
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B 17angec said:Hi Helli, hope you are doing
Hi Helli, hope you are doing well. Just wondering if you are still taking the B17? How is that working out for you? Praying you have a great rest of the year! xxoo
Hi. Sorry - only just seen this post. I took the B17 tablets for 15 months but then suffered a recurrence. So I figured that they weren't working for me so I stopped. I have since been on various types of hormone therapy (currently tamoxifen) and had Cyberknife radiotherapy in October 2014, which shrunk the tumour and, to date, has kept it stable.
Kindest wishes
Helen0 -
Hi Helen, thanks for theHellieC said:B 17
Hi. Sorry - only just seen this post. I took the B17 tablets for 15 months but then suffered a recurrence. So I figured that they weren't working for me so I stopped. I have since been on various types of hormone therapy (currently tamoxifen) and had Cyberknife radiotherapy in October 2014, which shrunk the tumour and, to date, has kept it stable.
Kindest wishes
HelenHi Helen, thanks for the reply. Glad to see you are stable. You might if it did help to take the b17. It could have slowed it down? In any case, I am glad to hear from you! Hugs!
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