Just got a call from my oncologist............

ThycaAnne
ThycaAnne Member Posts: 68
So I haven't updated in a while. Most of you know that I had a .9 cm ER/PR+/Her 2- stage 1 tumor--had my lumpectomy January 20--and had brachytherapy starting January 30--finished on February 3. Went right back to work & started back working out the next day. I have really been feeling good.(I have been debating on whether to take Tamoxifen or not. I feel it isn't right for me--but that's another story.) So my onco calls today & says she wants me to have the Oncotype DX test to decide if I need chemo. (My surgeon said I wouldn't need it so I was pretty shocked, to say the least.) Evidently, my Ki-67 score was 20% & that's a "gray" area. I have read my pathology 100 times. I had seen that score, but assumed it was OK because noone said anything about it. So I told her sure, I'll take the test. I was really kinda hoping this nightmare was over......but I guess it never is. I shouldn't be surprised--this is not my first time at the rodeo--I had thyroid cancer a year and a half ago.

So what has everyone's experience been with this test & what did you all do?!?! Talk to me--the panic has set in again!!

Hugs to all--

Anne
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  • GMcD
    GMcD Member Posts: 134
    I was also told by the
    I was also told by the breast surgeon's staff that I would need no chemo, however the oncologist requested the Onco/DX test and my score was 22. In her practice everyone over an 18 score takes chemo. I was very upset and felt a bit bushwhacked but took 4 cycles of chemo. No day at the beach but doable as you probably know. In my humble opinion, I think you'll feel better seeing what the test results are and how best to proceed. Warmest thoughts and Best wishes to you.
  • carkris
    carkris Member Posts: 4,553 Member
    GMcD said:

    I was also told by the
    I was also told by the breast surgeon's staff that I would need no chemo, however the oncologist requested the Onco/DX test and my score was 22. In her practice everyone over an 18 score takes chemo. I was very upset and felt a bit bushwhacked but took 4 cycles of chemo. No day at the beach but doable as you probably know. In my humble opinion, I think you'll feel better seeing what the test results are and how best to proceed. Warmest thoughts and Best wishes to you.

    Oh i would not be happy
    Oh i would not be happy about that call/ just when you think you are done. anyway, I hope all goes well!
  • roseann4
    roseann4 Member Posts: 992 Member
    carkris said:

    Oh i would not be happy
    Oh i would not be happy about that call/ just when you think you are done. anyway, I hope all goes well!

    My score was 18.
    A low score end at 16 so my score was low intermediate. They don't know for sure how effective chemo is for intermediate scores. My oncologist thought it would reduce my 10 year recurrence rate from 15 to 12 percent. I was 58 with no other health issues so I decided against chemo. Others with the same score might have chosen differently but that felt right for me. I hope you have a low score so your choice will be clear

    Roseann
  • MAJW
    MAJW Member Posts: 2,510 Member
    roseann4 said:

    My score was 18.
    A low score end at 16 so my score was low intermediate. They don't know for sure how effective chemo is for intermediate scores. My oncologist thought it would reduce my 10 year recurrence rate from 15 to 12 percent. I was 58 with no other health issues so I decided against chemo. Others with the same score might have chosen differently but that felt right for me. I hope you have a low score so your choice will be clear

    Roseann

    Surgeons...
    Surgeons aren't oncologist's....I was told the same thing....chemo not likely....felt like I had been hit by a 2 x 4 when the oncologist said chemo FOR SURE !!!!!
    No one wants it but it's doable...
    Hugs, Nancy
  • Double Whammy
    Double Whammy Member Posts: 2,832 Member
    MAJW said:

    Surgeons...
    Surgeons aren't oncologist's....I was told the same thing....chemo not likely....felt like I had been hit by a 2 x 4 when the oncologist said chemo FOR SURE !!!!!
    No one wants it but it's doable...
    Hugs, Nancy

    I had the test
    My breast surgeon ordered it after surgery and before my first med onc appointment. My tumor was the same size as yours, Stage 1, Grade 2, ER/PR+ and HER-2 neg. My score was 31. Needless to say, I had chemo. 4 rounds of Taxotere and Cytoxin. Doable - not fun, but doable. FYI, my med onc said Arimidex was every bit if not more, important than chemo. Luckily, I have no side effects (that I'm aware of).

    I think the Oncotype DX test is very important for early stage, low grade, ER+ breast cancer. Regardless of what the results are for you, you will have more information about your risk of recurrence with or without chemo. BTW, the results tell whether or not chemo will be effective in reducing the rate of recurrence at a distant site within 10 years. For the lower numbers, the % of women who had recurrence within 10 years is low, so adding chemo really doesn't make much difference (i.e., reducing the risk from say 5% to 3%), but over 31 the recurrence rate is much higher and the 30-40% reduction with chemo is significant. For me, 21% of women with a score of 31 had recurrence within 10 years. If chemo reduced that risk by 40%, my chances of recurrence are now 12.6%. That's worthwhile. But take note of this: this recurrence risk is based on taking Tamoxifen. You should ask what % taking Tamoxifen makes because if I weren't taking Arimidex, I believe my risk of recurrence would be higher than what it is.

    Glad you're feeling so good. Keep on being strong.

    Suzanne
  • lolad
    lolad Member Posts: 670

    I had the test
    My breast surgeon ordered it after surgery and before my first med onc appointment. My tumor was the same size as yours, Stage 1, Grade 2, ER/PR+ and HER-2 neg. My score was 31. Needless to say, I had chemo. 4 rounds of Taxotere and Cytoxin. Doable - not fun, but doable. FYI, my med onc said Arimidex was every bit if not more, important than chemo. Luckily, I have no side effects (that I'm aware of).

    I think the Oncotype DX test is very important for early stage, low grade, ER+ breast cancer. Regardless of what the results are for you, you will have more information about your risk of recurrence with or without chemo. BTW, the results tell whether or not chemo will be effective in reducing the rate of recurrence at a distant site within 10 years. For the lower numbers, the % of women who had recurrence within 10 years is low, so adding chemo really doesn't make much difference (i.e., reducing the risk from say 5% to 3%), but over 31 the recurrence rate is much higher and the 30-40% reduction with chemo is significant. For me, 21% of women with a score of 31 had recurrence within 10 years. If chemo reduced that risk by 40%, my chances of recurrence are now 12.6%. That's worthwhile. But take note of this: this recurrence risk is based on taking Tamoxifen. You should ask what % taking Tamoxifen makes because if I weren't taking Arimidex, I believe my risk of recurrence would be higher than what it is.

    Glad you're feeling so good. Keep on being strong.

    Suzanne

    I also was told by my surgeon
    That i probably wouldnt need the chemo and then i had the ONCO DX test done and i ended up in an area where it was recommended for me to have chemo and this was after i had my double mastectomy. Everyone is different and i still never understood how they came up with the numbers and decide who does or who does not need chemo. I was leaning towards taking the chemo reguardless just because i was worried that just my double mastectomy wouldnt have been enough for me to tell myself that my breast cancer was gone. Does that make any sense? I havent been on here in so long and i have to refresh my Chemo brain some knowledge of everything. I hope all goes well.
    take care and god bless
  • DebbyM
    DebbyM Member Posts: 3,289 Member

    I had the test
    My breast surgeon ordered it after surgery and before my first med onc appointment. My tumor was the same size as yours, Stage 1, Grade 2, ER/PR+ and HER-2 neg. My score was 31. Needless to say, I had chemo. 4 rounds of Taxotere and Cytoxin. Doable - not fun, but doable. FYI, my med onc said Arimidex was every bit if not more, important than chemo. Luckily, I have no side effects (that I'm aware of).

    I think the Oncotype DX test is very important for early stage, low grade, ER+ breast cancer. Regardless of what the results are for you, you will have more information about your risk of recurrence with or without chemo. BTW, the results tell whether or not chemo will be effective in reducing the rate of recurrence at a distant site within 10 years. For the lower numbers, the % of women who had recurrence within 10 years is low, so adding chemo really doesn't make much difference (i.e., reducing the risk from say 5% to 3%), but over 31 the recurrence rate is much higher and the 30-40% reduction with chemo is significant. For me, 21% of women with a score of 31 had recurrence within 10 years. If chemo reduced that risk by 40%, my chances of recurrence are now 12.6%. That's worthwhile. But take note of this: this recurrence risk is based on taking Tamoxifen. You should ask what % taking Tamoxifen makes because if I weren't taking Arimidex, I believe my risk of recurrence would be higher than what it is.

    Glad you're feeling so good. Keep on being strong.

    Suzanne

    I didn't have the Oncotype
    I didn't have the Oncotype DX test as my oncologist said that chemo wasn't needed with the stage and grade of my bc. I did have rads though.

    Wishing you good luck and sending a hug,

    Debby
  • AngieD
    AngieD Member Posts: 493
    DebbyM said:

    I didn't have the Oncotype
    I didn't have the Oncotype DX test as my oncologist said that chemo wasn't needed with the stage and grade of my bc. I did have rads though.

    Wishing you good luck and sending a hug,

    Debby

    Hi, Anne,
    I see you already

    Hi, Anne,
    I see you already have lots of good advice. I'm so glad you're having the test done. I can only suggest that after the results are back you get a second opinion from an oncologist in a different group on the treatment plan--and a third if they don't agree. This is something you have to get right.
    In my case, I'm triple negative and my KI67 was 75% Yikes! So my plan is 20 weeks of chemo, surgery, then 6 weeks of Mon-Fri daily radiation.--one day at a time--so far so good, 6 weeks into the chemo.
    Best of luck to you!
    Angie
  • jennetteh
    jennetteh Member Posts: 3

    I had the test
    My breast surgeon ordered it after surgery and before my first med onc appointment. My tumor was the same size as yours, Stage 1, Grade 2, ER/PR+ and HER-2 neg. My score was 31. Needless to say, I had chemo. 4 rounds of Taxotere and Cytoxin. Doable - not fun, but doable. FYI, my med onc said Arimidex was every bit if not more, important than chemo. Luckily, I have no side effects (that I'm aware of).

    I think the Oncotype DX test is very important for early stage, low grade, ER+ breast cancer. Regardless of what the results are for you, you will have more information about your risk of recurrence with or without chemo. BTW, the results tell whether or not chemo will be effective in reducing the rate of recurrence at a distant site within 10 years. For the lower numbers, the % of women who had recurrence within 10 years is low, so adding chemo really doesn't make much difference (i.e., reducing the risk from say 5% to 3%), but over 31 the recurrence rate is much higher and the 30-40% reduction with chemo is significant. For me, 21% of women with a score of 31 had recurrence within 10 years. If chemo reduced that risk by 40%, my chances of recurrence are now 12.6%. That's worthwhile. But take note of this: this recurrence risk is based on taking Tamoxifen. You should ask what % taking Tamoxifen makes because if I weren't taking Arimidex, I believe my risk of recurrence would be higher than what it is.

    Glad you're feeling so good. Keep on being strong.

    Suzanne

    Anastrozole
    Suzanne do you know of anyone taking anastrozole? new to this cancer stuff went through radiation no chemo but now they want me to take this med for five years. I looked up the side affects and they look...not good. wondering if I should say no to it.Just looking for advice. Thanks, Jennette
  • madsters1
    madsters1 Member Posts: 120
    Hi there, My Onco score was
    Hi there, My Onco score was 23. That is pretty much in the middle range. I wish it had been either high or low. The middle is "grey". I went ahead and had chemo. Just finished my last round on Jan 19th. Of course I'm not anywhere near having hair yet. THAT is the horror of it all, the hair loss. I have decided that I'll never do it again. I can say when I lay my head down each night that I did everything I could possibly do.
    As a sidenote, I heard they were considering recalculating the Onco scoring system. Maybe something to ask about. Remember, "This too shall pass".
  • Rague
    Rague Member Posts: 3,653 Member
    jennetteh said:

    Anastrozole
    Suzanne do you know of anyone taking anastrozole? new to this cancer stuff went through radiation no chemo but now they want me to take this med for five years. I looked up the side affects and they look...not good. wondering if I should say no to it.Just looking for advice. Thanks, Jennette

    anastrozole = Arimidex
    There are several here who take anastrozole (Arimidex). It is an Aromatase Inhibitor (AI) along with some other drugs. (I'm on letrozole/Femara.) It's for blocking estrogen in women whose cancer is ER+. It is usually taken for 5 yrs. Some do have problems with SEs on them but not all do and if one isn't right for you then there are other ones that can be tried.
  • dianetheq
    dianetheq Member Posts: 1
    jennetteh said:

    Anastrozole
    Suzanne do you know of anyone taking anastrozole? new to this cancer stuff went through radiation no chemo but now they want me to take this med for five years. I looked up the side affects and they look...not good. wondering if I should say no to it.Just looking for advice. Thanks, Jennette

    Anastrozole
    I've been on Anastrozole(Arimidex)since Sept 2011. So far I have not had any side effects. I had been on Tamoxifen since ending treatment in Sept 2010 but an FHS blood test showed I was post-menapausal so my med onc switched me to Arimidex. A subsequent DexaScan showed I had Osteopania (likely a result of the chemo and radiation and my age-not uncommon I understand). But while tamoxifen can help prevent Osteoporosis, Arimidex can help cause it. So in addition to the Arimidex I now go for twice yearly infusions of Zometa to coat my bones. According to my med onc just taking calcium and doing extra weight-bearing exercise won't overcome the damage to the bones that can be caused by chemo. The first 2 days after a Zometa treatment is brutal on my body but after that I don't notice any side effects. Hope this helps.
  • jennetteh
    jennetteh Member Posts: 3
    dianetheq said:

    Anastrozole
    I've been on Anastrozole(Arimidex)since Sept 2011. So far I have not had any side effects. I had been on Tamoxifen since ending treatment in Sept 2010 but an FHS blood test showed I was post-menapausal so my med onc switched me to Arimidex. A subsequent DexaScan showed I had Osteopania (likely a result of the chemo and radiation and my age-not uncommon I understand). But while tamoxifen can help prevent Osteoporosis, Arimidex can help cause it. So in addition to the Arimidex I now go for twice yearly infusions of Zometa to coat my bones. According to my med onc just taking calcium and doing extra weight-bearing exercise won't overcome the damage to the bones that can be caused by chemo. The first 2 days after a Zometa treatment is brutal on my body but after that I don't notice any side effects. Hope this helps.

    Thank you all who answered
    Thank you all who answered about the Anastrozole. I feel so lost. I did exactly what I was told to do by the doctors and now I have to decide about the horome treatment. I just want this to be over and for me to be normal again. I too feel like I was thrown under the bus. I loved my surgeon but I was in such a daze when I went in I really had no say in the treatment just did what I was told and didn't do what I really wanted. I somehow feel like we are just cattle. I need to take charge, but I don't want to do the wrong thing. Jennette
  • DianeBC
    DianeBC Member Posts: 3,881 Member
    AngieD said:

    Hi, Anne,
    I see you already

    Hi, Anne,
    I see you already have lots of good advice. I'm so glad you're having the test done. I can only suggest that after the results are back you get a second opinion from an oncologist in a different group on the treatment plan--and a third if they don't agree. This is something you have to get right.
    In my case, I'm triple negative and my KI67 was 75% Yikes! So my plan is 20 weeks of chemo, surgery, then 6 weeks of Mon-Fri daily radiation.--one day at a time--so far so good, 6 weeks into the chemo.
    Best of luck to you!
    Angie

    Wishing you good luck Anne
    Wishing you good luck Anne and you too Angie.


    Hugs, Diane
  • tufi000
    tufi000 Member Posts: 745 Member
    jennetteh said:

    Thank you all who answered
    Thank you all who answered about the Anastrozole. I feel so lost. I did exactly what I was told to do by the doctors and now I have to decide about the horome treatment. I just want this to be over and for me to be normal again. I too feel like I was thrown under the bus. I loved my surgeon but I was in such a daze when I went in I really had no say in the treatment just did what I was told and didn't do what I really wanted. I somehow feel like we are just cattle. I need to take charge, but I don't want to do the wrong thing. Jennette

    Learn to be a patient
    Ask your docs for all options and the benefits and prognosis with each and make your own decision. I told my onc I wanted to be very aggressive about my treatment and never thought to risk a recurrence because of some discomfort. My new normal isn't awful and I enjoy my life and do not regret any of what I chose to go through because I wanted to be on this planet.

    Priorities change and sometimes the crap, in the end, makes a better life.
  • lori1961
    lori1961 Member Posts: 56
    My number was 12 so I was
    My number was 12 so I was undecided to do chemo. Then I had a Breast MRI to make sure the cancer was gone and they found cancer in the other breast. After doing a lumpectomy with additional surgery, had a postive axillary lymph node so there went my descision. Finished chemo in April and rads in June. So far so good.

    good luck with you're decision...
  • lori1961
    lori1961 Member Posts: 56
    My number was 12 so I was
    My number was 12 so I was undecided to do chemo. Then I had a Breast MRI to make sure the cancer was gone and they found cancer in the other breast. After doing a lumpectomy with additional surgery, had a postive axillary lymph node so there went my descision. Finished chemo in April and rads in June. So far so good.

    good luck with you're decision...
  • Lisaepstein
    Lisaepstein Member Posts: 62 Member
    No oncotype test
    I was told by my oncologist that I did not need the test because I tumor was so small 2.1 mm even if numbers were high I still would not chemo just radiation.
  • Double Whammy
    Double Whammy Member Posts: 2,832 Member
    jennetteh said:

    Anastrozole
    Suzanne do you know of anyone taking anastrozole? new to this cancer stuff went through radiation no chemo but now they want me to take this med for five years. I looked up the side affects and they look...not good. wondering if I should say no to it.Just looking for advice. Thanks, Jennette

    It's the generic name for Arimidex
    Jennette - I see you have answers to this question. I've been on it for a little over a year now with no apparent side effects, but those who have side effects really have a hard time. I was afraid to start taking it, and I put it off for several weeks. One day it dawned on me that I wouldn't know if I was going to have side effects unless I took it! My med onc is pretty adamant about me taking it, so I'm glad I don't have the side effects. And it's sort of like my chemo rationale - if I have a recurrence and had not had chemo I would always think that's why I had a recurrence. If I have a recurrence now, I know I've done everything I can.

    Good luck.

    Suzanne
  • sylvan
    sylvan Member Posts: 66
    I had the test
    I took the Oncotype test and I'm so glad that I did. My score was a 4. All I wanted was for it to be really high or really low so that the decision was clear. With a 4, the decision was clear. No chemo for me.