fasting has anyone else tried this ? some new science

pete43lost_at_sea · February 2012

some of the science here.

http://www.lef.org/newsletter/2012/0210_Fasting-Retards-Tumor-Growth.htm?utm_source=eNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Help&utm_content=TextLink&utm_campaign=2012Wk6-2

yes, i have and am looking at doing this, just a matter of when and how long.

just finsidhed a little baby two day fast and feel great.

after restarting digestion, normal output after 19 hours from my first meal.

hugs,
pete

herdizziness · February 2012

Pete
Fasting has been done since the beginning of time with the inability of the first peoples to catch food every day. Fasting is still done today in countries with famine and in religious rites.
I have to tell you as a cancer surviving person (so far, so good)that I'm not about to start fasting, nope, not jumping on the band wagon.
Someone asked me if I changed my whole way of eating and living just a couple of days ago. I told them as far as eating, when I was given four to six months, I GUARANTEE you I was enjoying my food to the utmost, chocolate ice cream with double chocolate fudge topping... BRING IT ON, chocolate glazed donut?? HELLO??? No question about it, savored EVERY SINGLE BITE.
Now since I discovered I wasn't going to die, I cut down on those decadent foods, however, I had chocolate ice cream with the before mentioned topping just last week, and a donut with chocolate glaze three days ago.
Fasting?? Um, thanks for the info, but I think I'm going to be busy enjoying a lobster and a side of steak now and then again and I'm just not ready to deny myself the enjoyment of life.
Good luck with it though, I'll be thinking of you tomorrow as I make pancakes, eggs and yep... even a slice of bacon.
I think shocking the body with so much stuff and surprise (such as Hey, you're not getting any food today, but let me load you up on my natural chemicals) can't be a good thing all the time. Just my opinion for my little ole' body.
Love at you,
Winter Marie
PS: Dang it, now I've got a craving for chocolate ice cream with fudge topping and am going to have to give in to the craving, I'll have to do a little extra exercise tomorrow to be sure
PSS: Those that are on chemo or recovery from surgery, PLEASE... DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!!! (The ice cream and donuts for fattening purposes; YES, the fasting; NO!!)((Just my thoughts on the matter.))

thingy45 · February 2012

herdizziness said:
Pete
Fasting has been done since the beginning of time with the inability of the first peoples to catch food every day. Fasting is still done today in countries with famine and in religious rites.
I have to tell you as a cancer surviving person (so far, so good)that I'm not about to start fasting, nope, not jumping on the band wagon.
Someone asked me if I changed my whole way of eating and living just a couple of days ago. I told them as far as eating, when I was given four to six months, I GUARANTEE you I was enjoying my food to the utmost, chocolate ice cream with double chocolate fudge topping... BRING IT ON, chocolate glazed donut?? HELLO??? No question about it, savored EVERY SINGLE BITE.
Now since I discovered I wasn't going to die, I cut down on those decadent foods, however, I had chocolate ice cream with the before mentioned topping just last week, and a donut with chocolate glaze three days ago.
Fasting?? Um, thanks for the info, but I think I'm going to be busy enjoying a lobster and a side of steak now and then again and I'm just not ready to deny myself the enjoyment of life.
Good luck with it though, I'll be thinking of you tomorrow as I make pancakes, eggs and yep... even a slice of bacon.
I think shocking the body with so much stuff and surprise (such as Hey, you're not getting any food today, but let me load you up on my natural chemicals) can't be a good thing all the time. Just my opinion for my little ole' body.
Love at you,
Winter Marie
PS: Dang it, now I've got a craving for chocolate ice cream with fudge topping and am going to have to give in to the craving, I'll have to do a little extra exercise tomorrow to be sure
PSS: Those that are on chemo or recovery from surgery, PLEASE... DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!!! (The ice cream and donuts for fattening purposes; YES, the fasting; NO!!)((Just my thoughts on the matter.))

with you all the way
Hey Winter Marie, Iam with you all the way.How ever, my graving is more on the harty site, cheese, chips,dips, with occasional choclate. a glas of red wine to top it off.
I feel great and will not deny my body or my spirit the little pleasures of live. I am alive and plan to enjoy everyday I am alive.
I do juicing and watch the red meats. I do not believe in all the chemicals I feel that that is causing a lot of cancers, the chemicals in our food. My opinion.
Supplements for me are antitoxidants and antiinflammatories, at the moment it seems to work for me I do walk and swim and feel better then ever.
Hugs, Marjan.

gfpiv · February 2012

Fasting
Sounds interesting; had heard of this before, the science kinda makes sense I suppose.

HOWEVER, according to the below link, Dr. Longo, the study co-author, "suspects that the human equivalent of 48–60 hours of mouse fasting is about FIVE DAYS, based on glucose and growth factor concentrations".

So even if I were daring/crazy enough to put up with fasting for two days to test out the theory, there's NO WAY I could conceive of going without food for five days (short of a "cancer-free guarantee")!! Not that any oncologist would agree to it anyway...

http://the-scientist.com/2012/02/08/fasting-heightens-chemotherapy-benefits/

-Chip

pete43lost_at_sea · February 2012

gfpiv said:
Fasting
Sounds interesting; had heard of this before, the science kinda makes sense I suppose.

HOWEVER, according to the below link, Dr. Longo, the study co-author, "suspects that the human equivalent of 48–60 hours of mouse fasting is about FIVE DAYS, based on glucose and growth factor concentrations".

So even if I were daring/crazy enough to put up with fasting for two days to test out the theory, there's NO WAY I could conceive of going without food for five days (short of a "cancer-free guarantee")!! Not that any oncologist would agree to it anyway...

http://the-scientist.com/2012/02/08/fasting-heightens-chemotherapy-benefits/

-Chip

thanks chip
Its just I did a end/colonoscopy yesterday, so the fast is built around that, it also fits in with digestive enzyme therapy as the absence of food in presence of gi enzymes is in theory suppsed to allow the coat in that cancer cells use to hide get eaten/dissolved.

Hugs,
Pete

Lovekitties · February 2012

Hi Pete
Here is what the American Cancer Society has to say on the subject:

http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/TreatmentsandSideEffects/ComplementaryandAlternativeMedicine/DietandNutrition/fasting?sitearea=ETO

Marie who loves kitties

pete43lost_at_sea · February 2012

thingy45 said:
with you all the way
Hey Winter Marie, Iam with you all the way.How ever, my graving is more on the harty site, cheese, chips,dips, with occasional choclate. a glas of red wine to top it off.
I feel great and will not deny my body or my spirit the little pleasures of live. I am alive and plan to enjoy everyday I am alive.
I do juicing and watch the red meats. I do not believe in all the chemicals I feel that that is causing a lot of cancers, the chemicals in our food. My opinion.
Supplements for me are antitoxidants and antiinflammatories, at the moment it seems to work for me I do walk and swim and feel better then ever.
Hugs, Marjan.

thanks winter and marjan
I will just dream of fudge and steak.

I have visitors this weekend, making buckwheat pancakes with real maple sauce for break, no bacon alas.

Different strokes, different folks. I have been to some amazing lectures on the science and art of fasting, what intriques me is our bodies ability to self canabise, we eat our tumors so the theory goes.

I will find out more on monday but will keep to myself unless their is some interest here.

I am getting a fair way off mainstream, I guess.

Hugs,
Pete

ps http://cancerdefeatedpublications.com/newsletters/Cancer-Loves-Carbs.html
this sounds reasonable to me, but again as we say whatever rocks our boats.

Nana b · February 2012

Lovekitties said:
Hi Pete
Here is what the American Cancer Society has to say on the subject:

http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/TreatmentsandSideEffects/ComplementaryandAlternativeMedicine/DietandNutrition/fasting?sitearea=ETO

Marie who loves kitties

My motto
Eat to live, not live to eat.

herdizziness · February 2012

pete43lost_at_sea said:
thanks chip
Its just I did a end/colonoscopy yesterday, so the fast is built around that, it also fits in with digestive enzyme therapy as the absence of food in presence of gi enzymes is in theory suppsed to allow the coat in that cancer cells use to hide get eaten/dissolved.

Hugs,
Pete

Yikes
Just read the link that Marie (the other Marie) gave you and YIKES Pete, search both sides of the matter okay??? No sense in possibly PROMOTING more tumors from fasting.
And a little hint I learned in college, it is NOT a professional journal or site when they are selling something and LifeExtension that you found this on is SELLING tons of LifeExtension products. Be careful Pete.
And when you actually go to the source of the article (the scientific) they say MAY and have experimented with MICE and used it WITH chemotherapy, here's a quote concerning the mice not men;
"In mouse models of neuroblastoma, fasting cycles plus chemotherapy drugs—but not either treatment alone...."
Winter Marie

coloCan · February 2012

Nana b said:
My motto
Eat to live, not live to eat.

I lost fifty pounds during chemo and was trying to eat/drink
anything that didn't dsisgust me to get calories into me....I can't imagine deliberately NOT eating. I has read this report a few days ago (the cancers refered to in it didnot include CRC)and reminded myself this is just one study's conclusion. It really does not make sense to me just judging by what i had lived thru.....Plus, if its advisable to exercise , if possible, during TX, how can you do that without nutrition?

Here's some more "New science" some mite find useful:potential vaccine for advanced CRC being developed in Germany,called IMA910 at:

fiercebiotech.com/print/node/297085

and a "New Avenue for treating Colon Cancer" involving gene/protein HNF4A:
http://ucrtoday.edu/2951

son of hal · February 2012

herdizziness said:
Pete
Fasting has been done since the beginning of time with the inability of the first peoples to catch food every day. Fasting is still done today in countries with famine and in religious rites.
I have to tell you as a cancer surviving person (so far, so good)that I'm not about to start fasting, nope, not jumping on the band wagon.
Someone asked me if I changed my whole way of eating and living just a couple of days ago. I told them as far as eating, when I was given four to six months, I GUARANTEE you I was enjoying my food to the utmost, chocolate ice cream with double chocolate fudge topping... BRING IT ON, chocolate glazed donut?? HELLO??? No question about it, savored EVERY SINGLE BITE.
Now since I discovered I wasn't going to die, I cut down on those decadent foods, however, I had chocolate ice cream with the before mentioned topping just last week, and a donut with chocolate glaze three days ago.
Fasting?? Um, thanks for the info, but I think I'm going to be busy enjoying a lobster and a side of steak now and then again and I'm just not ready to deny myself the enjoyment of life.
Good luck with it though, I'll be thinking of you tomorrow as I make pancakes, eggs and yep... even a slice of bacon.
I think shocking the body with so much stuff and surprise (such as Hey, you're not getting any food today, but let me load you up on my natural chemicals) can't be a good thing all the time. Just my opinion for my little ole' body.
Love at you,
Winter Marie
PS: Dang it, now I've got a craving for chocolate ice cream with fudge topping and am going to have to give in to the craving, I'll have to do a little extra exercise tomorrow to be sure
PSS: Those that are on chemo or recovery from surgery, PLEASE... DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!!! (The ice cream and donuts for fattening purposes; YES, the fasting; NO!!)((Just my thoughts on the matter.))

Some thoughts should remain our own
Wow Marie, back to your "little ole" self with the demeaning and devisive comments. Thanks for "sharing" your thoughts. If I'm not mistaken Pete asked if anyone had tried fasting, not "what are you doing". Everyone knows how you indulge in anything you want, you made sure in all the responses to Emily, Scouty and Lisa how dumb they were to bother with trying to be healthy. So now that you don't have them to criticize, you've moved on to Pete. You may have learned something in college but did you ever learn, "if you don't have anything nice to say, you shouldn't say anything at all"? Maybe you should prefice your indulgence by pointing out that you are currently on chemo for active cancer growth and you don't seem to care that NO studies have ever shown that an indulgent lifestyle benefits cancer patients in any way. Really, the only reason I even mention this is because you have criticized people right off this forum and I don't want Pete to think no one has his back. I applaud anyone that wants to survive bad enough to look beyond their prognosis and that includes you for making plans for the future when given a bleek outlook. What would you have thought if people constantly criticized you for wasting time going to college when you were not supposed to survive long enough to finish. Most people would think that was a foolish way to spend your last months or even years. But you seem to have persevered.
Anyway, please remember that you don't have to inform everyone that shares their plans or information how you disagree with what they believe or what they do. You can make your own post about how you live your life and how what you do is helping or hurting in your own journey with cancer. I'm only saying this because most of the people that would say something are no longer on here.
Sorry for the hi-jacking (off-topic) Pete.

tommycat · February 2012

pete43lost_at_sea said:
thanks winter and marjan
I will just dream of fudge and steak.

I have visitors this weekend, making buckwheat pancakes with real maple sauce for break, no bacon alas.

Different strokes, different folks. I have been to some amazing lectures on the science and art of fasting, what intriques me is our bodies ability to self canabise, we eat our tumors so the theory goes.

I will find out more on monday but will keep to myself unless their is some interest here.

I am getting a fair way off mainstream, I guess.

Hugs,
Pete

ps http://cancerdefeatedpublications.com/newsletters/Cancer-Loves-Carbs.html
this sounds reasonable to me, but again as we say whatever rocks our boats.

Hey Pete--
Off subject, but
Hey Pete--
Off subject, but you saying "whatever rocks your boat" couldn't have come from a more fitting source.(Thinking of how your rescue ended......)
Yow!
Anyway, good luck with the fasting and please report back

herdizziness · February 2012

son of hal said:
Some thoughts should remain our own
Wow Marie, back to your "little ole" self with the demeaning and devisive comments. Thanks for "sharing" your thoughts. If I'm not mistaken Pete asked if anyone had tried fasting, not "what are you doing". Everyone knows how you indulge in anything you want, you made sure in all the responses to Emily, Scouty and Lisa how dumb they were to bother with trying to be healthy. So now that you don't have them to criticize, you've moved on to Pete. You may have learned something in college but did you ever learn, "if you don't have anything nice to say, you shouldn't say anything at all"? Maybe you should prefice your indulgence by pointing out that you are currently on chemo for active cancer growth and you don't seem to care that NO studies have ever shown that an indulgent lifestyle benefits cancer patients in any way. Really, the only reason I even mention this is because you have criticized people right off this forum and I don't want Pete to think no one has his back. I applaud anyone that wants to survive bad enough to look beyond their prognosis and that includes you for making plans for the future when given a bleek outlook. What would you have thought if people constantly criticized you for wasting time going to college when you were not supposed to survive long enough to finish. Most people would think that was a foolish way to spend your last months or even years. But you seem to have persevered.
Anyway, please remember that you don't have to inform everyone that shares their plans or information how you disagree with what they believe or what they do. You can make your own post about how you live your life and how what you do is helping or hurting in your own journey with cancer. I'm only saying this because most of the people that would say something are no longer on here.
Sorry for the hi-jacking (off-topic) Pete.

Actually
I was being humorous and at the same time trying to let Pete be aware that it was probably NOT a good thing to be doing over an article that he read.
That's called trying to "have Pete's back" as you put it, why? Because I care about him.
So sorry that you feel the way you do, but I certainly can't change that.
Winter Marie

herdizziness · February 2012

thingy45 said:
with you all the way
Hey Winter Marie, Iam with you all the way.How ever, my graving is more on the harty site, cheese, chips,dips, with occasional choclate. a glas of red wine to top it off.
I feel great and will not deny my body or my spirit the little pleasures of live. I am alive and plan to enjoy everyday I am alive.
I do juicing and watch the red meats. I do not believe in all the chemicals I feel that that is causing a lot of cancers, the chemicals in our food. My opinion.
Supplements for me are antitoxidants and antiinflammatories, at the moment it seems to work for me I do walk and swim and feel better then ever.
Hugs, Marjan.

Marjan
I know how you feel about the red meat and the "chemicals", I know all the additives and antibiotics and hormones etc., etc., that they give the cattle nowadays worries me as well. So much has been written on it. When I was a child we ate wild meat that hadn't been "added" too. I wish I could have stayed on that all of my life and not just the beginning and partial middle of it, I personally think that would have made a difference in my having cancer, again my personal belief, I think I'm the only one in my family that when I left home at 17 no longer ate wild meat but instead ate processed from the grocery store, I am the first blood relative (my niece on my SIL's side had colon cancer, my SIL has breast cancer)in my family to ever be diagnosed with cancer and the only one that went about eating the processed meats.
Now I can find "organic" beef but it is soooo expensive. I have been attempting to buy organic chicken lately, but then again, the expense, so the best I have been able to do is talk to my children about feeding their children as much organic as they can.
Go figure that NOT giving the cattle or chickens or whatever additives in their feed and antibiotic shots just to give them antibiotic (the just in case theory they seem to have) shots would cost more??? What the heck? You think it would be cheaper not adding anything. Oh well.
I don't do supplements myself the main reason being is that I can't remember to take pills or powders and they would just sit in the cupboard anyway. But when it came to my favorite dog I would take him to the old veterinarian that was well versed in herbs for his arthritis and it did him well. I always thought I should be getting extra from the vet for my arthritis. I too, prefer a less chemical world especially when it comes to my family.
Having said all that, like you, as you can tell, I'm still going to enjoy my little pleasures of food now and then again (that means once in a while)in life as well.
Winter Marie

pete43lost_at_sea · February 2012

coloCan said:
I lost fifty pounds during chemo and was trying to eat/drink
anything that didn't dsisgust me to get calories into me....I can't imagine deliberately NOT eating. I has read this report a few days ago (the cancers refered to in it didnot include CRC)and reminded myself this is just one study's conclusion. It really does not make sense to me just judging by what i had lived thru.....Plus, if its advisable to exercise , if possible, during TX, how can you do that without nutrition?

Here's some more "New science" some mite find useful:potential vaccine for advanced CRC being developed in Germany,called IMA910 at:

fiercebiotech.com/print/node/297085

and a "New Avenue for treating Colon Cancer" involving gene/protein HNF4A:
http://ucrtoday.edu/2951

thanks steve, winter, son of hal, raquel
so firstly just lets bring on our opinions.

i enjoy debate, not arguing, so lets keep to the facts as we see it.

whoever reads the thread can read and make their own choices, thats our responsibility.

As i am not own chemo, i am just doing prelimenary research on fasting. given i had to do 2 days for the colonoscopy anyway. clear both chicken soup counts as fasting to me.

so we all have fasted here, if you had a colonoscopy. this is my third so far. i like the cleaned out feeling to be honest, have had a bit of a nap over the last few afternoons.

now yes turning a 2 day medically ordered fast into a 20 day alternative fast a bit of a jump. but yes i am researching the how, when, how much, what , where. i know people who have done these fasts and beaten their cancers. i have shook their hands and heard them speak. so i have a mix of personal exposure, over 18 months in the natural health circles and now some science.

now as for life extensions bias, well of course, but i find their research intriguing. i use their info and buy on iherb or puritans as i am on a budget. now some supplements they do really well ie mcp and vit E complex. anyway people can do their own homework.

scientific fasting and detoxing is what i am trying to perfect, so having my chelation therapy underway and my liver detox underway and my gut rebuild 50% complete means fasting and german hyperthermia is a little way off. i will let life, the cea, and ctc counts due end of feb determine the course of my treatment. as for conventional doc's well, nothing for me for another 10 weeks when i do another ct scan.

i am focused on having lowered my cea by that point, no harm in having a clear and positive goal. the other goal of course is to be able to do a dolphin and a headstand and a good back ache. these are all yoga based goals.

hey steve, did you see that word again germany, all these great crc breakthoroughs are coming out of europe. by the way when you lost 50 pounds during chemo, did you try aggressive gut rebuilds like progurt and gut rebuild powders. my kids have started making porgurt for me and the family powered up the progurt incubator tonight. cost $1000 for 6 months, just a little bit more then what i was paying and now we make supposedly the best probiotic yogurt ourselves 1 trillion strains. apparently some of the top cneter centers use progurt in their protocols, so really i am getting the benefit of the best products without having to goto these centers. have to research progurt a bit more. i look giving aussie companys with innovative ideas a go.

hoping this helps my gut, a few comments on my blog about progurt. yes i was pushed into this by my intergative gp. given i am buying whatever he recommends, he is not charging my any gap now for consults. i am his most obedient cnacer patient.

anyway back to fasting, i will post here when i get my worhtwhile research and make a decision. i am aware of the risks and don't want to loose of the benefits of the supplements i have been taking.

hugs,
pete

pete43lost_at_sea · February 2012

tommycat said:
Hey Pete--
Off subject, but
Hey Pete--
Off subject, but you saying "whatever rocks your boat" couldn't have come from a more fitting source.(Thinking of how your rescue ended......)
Yow!
Anyway, good luck with the fasting and please report back

i love it tommy
very very clever.
hugs,
pete

pete43lost_at_sea · February 2012

herdizziness said:
Marjan
I know how you feel about the red meat and the "chemicals", I know all the additives and antibiotics and hormones etc., etc., that they give the cattle nowadays worries me as well. So much has been written on it. When I was a child we ate wild meat that hadn't been "added" too. I wish I could have stayed on that all of my life and not just the beginning and partial middle of it, I personally think that would have made a difference in my having cancer, again my personal belief, I think I'm the only one in my family that when I left home at 17 no longer ate wild meat but instead ate processed from the grocery store, I am the first blood relative (my niece on my SIL's side had colon cancer, my SIL has breast cancer)in my family to ever be diagnosed with cancer and the only one that went about eating the processed meats.
Now I can find "organic" beef but it is soooo expensive. I have been attempting to buy organic chicken lately, but then again, the expense, so the best I have been able to do is talk to my children about feeding their children as much organic as they can.
Go figure that NOT giving the cattle or chickens or whatever additives in their feed and antibiotic shots just to give them antibiotic (the just in case theory they seem to have) shots would cost more??? What the heck? You think it would be cheaper not adding anything. Oh well.
I don't do supplements myself the main reason being is that I can't remember to take pills or powders and they would just sit in the cupboard anyway. But when it came to my favorite dog I would take him to the old veterinarian that was well versed in herbs for his arthritis and it did him well. I always thought I should be getting extra from the vet for my arthritis. I too, prefer a less chemical world especially when it comes to my family.
Having said all that, like you, as you can tell, I'm still going to enjoy my little pleasures of food now and then again (that means once in a while)in life as well.
Winter Marie

its the same here
organic beef is expensive, but i am having it about once a fortnight.
goto cut back the tuna/salmon due to my mercury toxicity.

got a couple of organic chickens today for the family lunch,
luckily here they are not to much more expensive. only a couple of dollars and a little bit smaller.

hugs,
pete

coloCan · February 2012

pete43lost_at_sea said:
thanks steve, winter, son of hal, raquel
so firstly just lets bring on our opinions.

i enjoy debate, not arguing, so lets keep to the facts as we see it.

whoever reads the thread can read and make their own choices, thats our responsibility.

As i am not own chemo, i am just doing prelimenary research on fasting. given i had to do 2 days for the colonoscopy anyway. clear both chicken soup counts as fasting to me.

so we all have fasted here, if you had a colonoscopy. this is my third so far. i like the cleaned out feeling to be honest, have had a bit of a nap over the last few afternoons.

now yes turning a 2 day medically ordered fast into a 20 day alternative fast a bit of a jump. but yes i am researching the how, when, how much, what , where. i know people who have done these fasts and beaten their cancers. i have shook their hands and heard them speak. so i have a mix of personal exposure, over 18 months in the natural health circles and now some science.

now as for life extensions bias, well of course, but i find their research intriguing. i use their info and buy on iherb or puritans as i am on a budget. now some supplements they do really well ie mcp and vit E complex. anyway people can do their own homework.

scientific fasting and detoxing is what i am trying to perfect, so having my chelation therapy underway and my liver detox underway and my gut rebuild 50% complete means fasting and german hyperthermia is a little way off. i will let life, the cea, and ctc counts due end of feb determine the course of my treatment. as for conventional doc's well, nothing for me for another 10 weeks when i do another ct scan.

i am focused on having lowered my cea by that point, no harm in having a clear and positive goal. the other goal of course is to be able to do a dolphin and a headstand and a good back ache. these are all yoga based goals.

hey steve, did you see that word again germany, all these great crc breakthoroughs are coming out of europe. by the way when you lost 50 pounds during chemo, did you try aggressive gut rebuilds like progurt and gut rebuild powders. my kids have started making porgurt for me and the family powered up the progurt incubator tonight. cost $1000 for 6 months, just a little bit more then what i was paying and now we make supposedly the best probiotic yogurt ourselves 1 trillion strains. apparently some of the top cneter centers use progurt in their protocols, so really i am getting the benefit of the best products without having to goto these centers. have to research progurt a bit more. i look giving aussie companys with innovative ideas a go.

hoping this helps my gut, a few comments on my blog about progurt. yes i was pushed into this by my intergative gp. given i am buying whatever he recommends, he is not charging my any gap now for consults. i am his most obedient cnacer patient.

anyway back to fasting, i will post here when i get my worhtwhile research and make a decision. i am aware of the risks and don't want to loose of the benefits of the supplements i have been taking.

hugs,
pete

My food tastes had changed dramatically during chemo,when i
had any appetite at all and when i could eat/drink it was high calorie stuff or whatever i could stomach at that moment. I relied on stuff like Boost/Ensure/CVS brand-plus drinks for the bulk of my "nutrition"....Once i was able to get back into eating,after Tx ended, i'd like to think had i eaten like i do now, i'd probably never had had need for this site in the first place!!!!!

It just doesn't seem right to fast during chemo

As for German research,as another item i'd cited reported, Europe has risen to the forefront in CRC research yet i continually read stuff from everywhere,Asia, Africa,Canada,Australia,everywhere.....All this research, each focusing on one specific factor and still no cure or additional treatments since Avastin!!!!

Buckwirth · February 2012

son of hal said:
Some thoughts should remain our own
Wow Marie, back to your "little ole" self with the demeaning and devisive comments. Thanks for "sharing" your thoughts. If I'm not mistaken Pete asked if anyone had tried fasting, not "what are you doing". Everyone knows how you indulge in anything you want, you made sure in all the responses to Emily, Scouty and Lisa how dumb they were to bother with trying to be healthy. So now that you don't have them to criticize, you've moved on to Pete. You may have learned something in college but did you ever learn, "if you don't have anything nice to say, you shouldn't say anything at all"? Maybe you should prefice your indulgence by pointing out that you are currently on chemo for active cancer growth and you don't seem to care that NO studies have ever shown that an indulgent lifestyle benefits cancer patients in any way. Really, the only reason I even mention this is because you have criticized people right off this forum and I don't want Pete to think no one has his back. I applaud anyone that wants to survive bad enough to look beyond their prognosis and that includes you for making plans for the future when given a bleek outlook. What would you have thought if people constantly criticized you for wasting time going to college when you were not supposed to survive long enough to finish. Most people would think that was a foolish way to spend your last months or even years. But you seem to have persevered.
Anyway, please remember that you don't have to inform everyone that shares their plans or information how you disagree with what they believe or what they do. You can make your own post about how you live your life and how what you do is helping or hurting in your own journey with cancer. I'm only saying this because most of the people that would say something are no longer on here.
Sorry for the hi-jacking (off-topic) Pete.

SOH
That was unnecessary and divisive. Pete is here, offering his two cents and all are free to respond, especially if it is with humor and personal experience. As you say, this is Pete's thread, and it is his place to take umbrage to a response made to him. It is not ours to interpret ill intent on the behalf of others.

Blake

pete43lost_at_sea · February 2012

thanks blake, thanks everyone
this is a good summary for the positives and i have no plan to fast tomorrow, breakfast as normal. but i am visiting a fasting guru and have heaps to discuss.

http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/1/7.full

this is from the acs site

What is the evidence?
Available scientific evidence does not support fasting as a treatment for cancer. Some studies in animals have suggested that long-term calorie restriction -- that is, consuming less than one's normal amount of calories each day -- may slow the growth of certain tumors, but this is not the same as fasting. In fact, some animal studies have found that actual fasting in which no food is eaten several days could actually promote the growth of some tumors. No human studies on the effects of fasting on cancer have been published in the available medical literature.

SO AS I AM A BIT OF A RAT, I MIGHT WELL DO THE ADF protocol, but not straight away.
so ADF or CR, equally beneficial.

read, enjoy and decide, but relax, i am. No disputes here please friends. sincere thanks for everyones input, i always learn more when i throw out these posts. the warning on the acs link are valid and i accept. the potential from ajcn i can also accept.

hugs,
Pete

ps we play the game of survival our way, its our life after all.

i guess i appreciate everyones input, especially hals and blakes, as i know your not going to well(blake). thanks again everyone for reading/replying. in their own ways they demonstrate caring, which is the number one beneficial thing our board offers us. a caring community. i am so happy to be a part of it.

pps i can see a little irony here, again its nutrition based therapy, just in this case its the absence of nutrition. whatever i do it will be based on some science and hope and a prayer.

son of hal · February 2012

pete43lost_at_sea said:
thanks blake, thanks everyone
this is a good summary for the positives and i have no plan to fast tomorrow, breakfast as normal. but i am visiting a fasting guru and have heaps to discuss.

http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/1/7.full

this is from the acs site

What is the evidence?
Available scientific evidence does not support fasting as a treatment for cancer. Some studies in animals have suggested that long-term calorie restriction -- that is, consuming less than one's normal amount of calories each day -- may slow the growth of certain tumors, but this is not the same as fasting. In fact, some animal studies have found that actual fasting in which no food is eaten several days could actually promote the growth of some tumors. No human studies on the effects of fasting on cancer have been published in the available medical literature.

SO AS I AM A BIT OF A RAT, I MIGHT WELL DO THE ADF protocol, but not straight away.
so ADF or CR, equally beneficial.

read, enjoy and decide, but relax, i am. No disputes here please friends. sincere thanks for everyones input, i always learn more when i throw out these posts. the warning on the acs link are valid and i accept. the potential from ajcn i can also accept.

hugs,
Pete

ps we play the game of survival our way, its our life after all.

i guess i appreciate everyones input, especially hals and blakes, as i know your not going to well(blake). thanks again everyone for reading/replying. in their own ways they demonstrate caring, which is the number one beneficial thing our board offers us. a caring community. i am so happy to be a part of it.

pps i can see a little irony here, again its nutrition based therapy, just in this case its the absence of nutrition. whatever i do it will be based on some science and hope and a prayer.

Best of luck Pete. I'm sure
Best of luck Pete. I'm sure you will find a successfull plan for yourself. You have the most determination of anyone here. Like you, I believe there is a needle in the haystack for beating cancer and you can only find it by looking. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing.
CJ

fasting has anyone else tried this ? some new science

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