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stacy_harp
stacy_harp Member Posts: 44
Found a hard section of dense tissue during a self exam and it was painful so when it didnt goaway for a week I went to my regular Dr. He did an exam and found a small pea sized lump, sent me for mammogram. I had that today and while waiting the tech said Dr requested I have an ultrasound so I did and the Dr even came in and did a second one himself. He scanned the pea sized finding and said it didnt show that it was fluid filled but is so small that he requests waiting 6 months to recheck. One of my family friends from childhood just passed away one week ago from BC that it scares me to death to wait!!! Am I blowing this out of proportion? Sorry I hope this isnt a silly question , just extremely nervous
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  • disneyfan2008
    disneyfan2008 Member Posts: 6,583 Member
    so sorry..URGENT TO us is
    so sorry..URGENT TO us is not to Dr's Offices...that's for sure..I am sure 6 mths will seem like a life time...but I have heard of others being told this..

    Thinking of you...

    Denise
  • jessiesmom1
    jessiesmom1 Member Posts: 915 Member
    Finding a Lump
    My first thought on reading your post was, "Oh, I don't think so." Waiting 6 months to see if a known lump grows? It was good that you had the ultrasound but since that could not rule out cancer/malignancy then the next step is a biopsy of some type - fine needle aspiration, core needle biopsy, sterotactic biopsy, etc. Wouldn't you rather know with certainty just what it is that you are dealing with? You cannot know unless a pathologist examines the cells under a microscope. If it is a mere cyst then you are lucky. If it is cancer then you caught it sooner and that makes treatment easier. I would insist that further testing be done. And no, this is absolutely NOT a silly question and you are NOT blowing this out of proportion.

    Good luck and keep us posted.

    IRENE
  • stacy_harp
    stacy_harp Member Posts: 44
    thank you both so much!! I
    thank you both so much!! I called and spoke to my primary Dr who also is not comfortable waiting 6 months. The Rad report said it is a little bigger than a pencil eraser. Dr is trying to get me into a surgeon for a second opinion. He said the good thing is there were no microcalcifications found but even though it is round it didnt show fluid on the ultrasound, therefore I need the next step.
  • leabow
    leabow Member Posts: 28
    I always hesitate to respond
    I always hesitate to respond because I don't want to make this experience any worse, but I found 1 tiny lump, probably 4mm. My internist sent me to the radiologist. He said just too small to worry about. I thought that was the point of getting it early. Kept saying for a year, no problem. I felt it was getting larger so insisted on a biopsy. When removed it was 1.8 cm.and cancer. If it had been removed when I fould it I probably would still have my breast. So many are told to wait. I never understant why when it could be breast cancer and waiting is so difficult. I will be thinking of you and praying all news is good.
  • camul
    camul Member Posts: 2,537
    I would insist on a biopsy
    I would rather know when it is the size of a pea, rather than a quarter. I don't think I would wait 6 months. That in my mind defeats the early detection.
  • ladyg
    ladyg Member Posts: 1,577
    Just from
    my experience I would say to get a biopsy. My lump was small also. When the ultrasound was done the dr. had a hard time finding it. When he did see it he immediately said I needed a biopsy. This was done less than a week later and 2 weeks after that I had surgery. I hope I am not scaring you because that is not my intention.

    Hugs,
    Georgia
  • stacy_harp
    stacy_harp Member Posts: 44
    ladyg said:

    Just from
    my experience I would say to get a biopsy. My lump was small also. When the ultrasound was done the dr. had a hard time finding it. When he did see it he immediately said I needed a biopsy. This was done less than a week later and 2 weeks after that I had surgery. I hope I am not scaring you because that is not my intention.

    Hugs,
    Georgia

    not scaring me at all
    not scaring me at all (anymore than the thoughts I had on my own anyway lol) reassuring that I have the same feelings as others and am not just trying to find something out of nothing. Dr had hard time finding it also and when he did the blue and red "fluid check" it stayed solid black so I dont know what that means in the scheme of things (if anything)...
  • laughs_a_lot
    laughs_a_lot Member Posts: 1,368 Member
    Biopsy
    You need a biopsy. Would he be asking his mother or sister to wait 6 months and see?
  • mom62
    mom62 Member Posts: 604 Member
    Advocate
    Hi,

    If you don't want to wait ask for a biopsy. You are in charge of your body not your doctor. You can request it if you want, if he won't sign off on it get a different doctor. It's all up to you your health is in your own hands, no one elses.

    Terry
  • stacy_harp
    stacy_harp Member Posts: 44
    My Dr is putting me in for a
    My Dr is putting me in for a general surgery consult. Gonna be the longest 10 days of my life waiting for the referral to be done. Can you tell me what the difference is between anechoic and hypoechoic??? my Dr said both of these but I dont remember in what order he said them, all I remember is he said my "little pea sized friend" was solid black on ultrasound but didnt have cyst like properties. And he said I was given a BIRAD of 3-4???? idk what that means????
  • jessiesmom1
    jessiesmom1 Member Posts: 915 Member

    My Dr is putting me in for a
    My Dr is putting me in for a general surgery consult. Gonna be the longest 10 days of my life waiting for the referral to be done. Can you tell me what the difference is between anechoic and hypoechoic??? my Dr said both of these but I dont remember in what order he said them, all I remember is he said my "little pea sized friend" was solid black on ultrasound but didnt have cyst like properties. And he said I was given a BIRAD of 3-4???? idk what that means????

    Ultrasound terms
    Here is some information I found on the terms your doctor mentioned.

    "A HYPOECHOIC mass is a lump which appears relatively darker on an ultrasound scan, because it reflects fewer ultrasound waves. The significance of this finding varies depending on the context. Some tissues normally reflect more or less ultrasound waves than others. When part of an organ changes to reflect more or less ultrasound waves than usual, with the result that it appears brighter or darker than the surrounding tissue, this could indicate an area of disease. Sometimes an entire organ could appear more or less bright than it would normally in comparison with other organs, and this could also be a sign of illness."

    "Ultrasound works by sending out high frequency sound waves which bounce off tissues. A probe sends out the sound signals, and the reflected echoes are captured and transformed into a black and white image displayed on a screen. What are called HYPERECHOIC areas tend to return more waves, while HYPOECHOIC regions return relatively fewer waves. Where sound waves pass through water, there are usually no reflected waves and the area appears black, or ANECHOIC."

    Your mammogram report includes many technical details, and one section will show you a Breast Imaging Reporting and Data System (BIRADS) score. This indicates the radiologist's opinion of the absence or likelihood of breast cancer.

    A BIRAD score of 3 means the mass is Probably Benign and Findings that have a high probability of being benign (>98%); six-month short interval follow-up. A BIRAD score of 4 means there is a Suspicious Abnormality and Not characteristic of breast cancer, but there is a reasonable probability of being malignant (3 to 94%); biopsy should be considered.

    I hope this was of some help to you.

    IRENE
  • stacy_harp
    stacy_harp Member Posts: 44

    Ultrasound terms
    Here is some information I found on the terms your doctor mentioned.

    "A HYPOECHOIC mass is a lump which appears relatively darker on an ultrasound scan, because it reflects fewer ultrasound waves. The significance of this finding varies depending on the context. Some tissues normally reflect more or less ultrasound waves than others. When part of an organ changes to reflect more or less ultrasound waves than usual, with the result that it appears brighter or darker than the surrounding tissue, this could indicate an area of disease. Sometimes an entire organ could appear more or less bright than it would normally in comparison with other organs, and this could also be a sign of illness."

    "Ultrasound works by sending out high frequency sound waves which bounce off tissues. A probe sends out the sound signals, and the reflected echoes are captured and transformed into a black and white image displayed on a screen. What are called HYPERECHOIC areas tend to return more waves, while HYPOECHOIC regions return relatively fewer waves. Where sound waves pass through water, there are usually no reflected waves and the area appears black, or ANECHOIC."

    Your mammogram report includes many technical details, and one section will show you a Breast Imaging Reporting and Data System (BIRADS) score. This indicates the radiologist's opinion of the absence or likelihood of breast cancer.

    A BIRAD score of 3 means the mass is Probably Benign and Findings that have a high probability of being benign (>98%); six-month short interval follow-up. A BIRAD score of 4 means there is a Suspicious Abnormality and Not characteristic of breast cancer, but there is a reasonable probability of being malignant (3 to 94%); biopsy should be considered.

    I hope this was of some help to you.

    IRENE

    thanks Irene!
    that helps me! thhis is what my Dr sent to me:

    hypoechoic ovoid 4x7x3mm and echogenic or vascular properties were not demonstrated

    BIRAD 3-4
  • carrie61
    carrie61 Member Posts: 23
    6 months toooo long
    I will speak from personal experience. I had 6 month mammos for a period of 2 yrs to "watch" an area that appeared to be "benign calcifications." It was cancer. By the time they ordered a biopsy it was invasive carcinoma stage 2B. Mastectomy & chemo followed. It could have been a simple lumpectomy if caught early. I would suggest you demand further investigation. We have to be our own advocates.
  • stacy_harp
    stacy_harp Member Posts: 44
    carrie61 said:

    6 months toooo long
    I will speak from personal experience. I had 6 month mammos for a period of 2 yrs to "watch" an area that appeared to be "benign calcifications." It was cancer. By the time they ordered a biopsy it was invasive carcinoma stage 2B. Mastectomy & chemo followed. It could have been a simple lumpectomy if caught early. I would suggest you demand further investigation. We have to be our own advocates.

    thanks
    i have decided that even if benign (which i know most are) i would rather KNOW than wait. Can anyone please tell me if a biopsy or lumpectomy are painful and do I need to get a relaxer cocktail from my primary dr before arriving for them? Also, could this possibly be an intramammary lymoh node and not be serious? i cant wrap my mind around this and everything on google freaks me out more so I turned to this forum to get answers from the Pros.
  • jessiesmom1
    jessiesmom1 Member Posts: 915 Member

    thanks
    i have decided that even if benign (which i know most are) i would rather KNOW than wait. Can anyone please tell me if a biopsy or lumpectomy are painful and do I need to get a relaxer cocktail from my primary dr before arriving for them? Also, could this possibly be an intramammary lymoh node and not be serious? i cant wrap my mind around this and everything on google freaks me out more so I turned to this forum to get answers from the Pros.

    Making yourself crazy
    Having been there myself I can understand your worry about the breast lump but you are going to make yourself crazy before anything even happens. There are a number of different kinds of biopsies and you do not even know which kind you are going to have. You haven't even met with the surgeon. The types of breast biopsies include (but may not be limited to): fine needle aspiration biopsy, core needle biopsy,stereotactic core needle biopsy, and excisional biopsy. It is also possible that the lump is an inflamed/infected lymph node but you will not know until it is biopsied. You are doing everything right by consulting a surgeon and not just sitting around for 6 months while whatever it is grows. Once you and your surgeon decide what needs to be done you can discuss anesthesia and pain management. I have had an excision biopsy and a fine needle aspiration as well as an ultrasound guided core needle biopsy. Only the excision biopsy was done under general anesthesia.

    Let us know how it goes.

    IRENE
  • Jobi
    Jobi Member Posts: 211
    This is not a silly question!
    Hello,

    Your situation sounds exactly like mine. I found the lump, waited a little, and then went to the doctor. I was then told to have a mammogram; however, since I have very dense breasts, an ultrasound was also done. When the doctor saw that it was not fluid filled, a biopsy was ordered. The doctor found that the lump was cancerous. Later after an MRI, two other areas were found that the mammo and ultrasound did not pick up. I am not saying this to scare you, but to urge you to push for more action. I hope this helps.
  • stacy_harp
    stacy_harp Member Posts: 44

    Making yourself crazy
    Having been there myself I can understand your worry about the breast lump but you are going to make yourself crazy before anything even happens. There are a number of different kinds of biopsies and you do not even know which kind you are going to have. You haven't even met with the surgeon. The types of breast biopsies include (but may not be limited to): fine needle aspiration biopsy, core needle biopsy,stereotactic core needle biopsy, and excisional biopsy. It is also possible that the lump is an inflamed/infected lymph node but you will not know until it is biopsied. You are doing everything right by consulting a surgeon and not just sitting around for 6 months while whatever it is grows. Once you and your surgeon decide what needs to be done you can discuss anesthesia and pain management. I have had an excision biopsy and a fine needle aspiration as well as an ultrasound guided core needle biopsy. Only the excision biopsy was done under general anesthesia.

    Let us know how it goes.

    IRENE

    you
    my dear are so APPRECIATED!!!! Thank you so so much!
  • stacy_harp
    stacy_harp Member Posts: 44

    Making yourself crazy
    Having been there myself I can understand your worry about the breast lump but you are going to make yourself crazy before anything even happens. There are a number of different kinds of biopsies and you do not even know which kind you are going to have. You haven't even met with the surgeon. The types of breast biopsies include (but may not be limited to): fine needle aspiration biopsy, core needle biopsy,stereotactic core needle biopsy, and excisional biopsy. It is also possible that the lump is an inflamed/infected lymph node but you will not know until it is biopsied. You are doing everything right by consulting a surgeon and not just sitting around for 6 months while whatever it is grows. Once you and your surgeon decide what needs to be done you can discuss anesthesia and pain management. I have had an excision biopsy and a fine needle aspiration as well as an ultrasound guided core needle biopsy. Only the excision biopsy was done under general anesthesia.

    Let us know how it goes.

    IRENE

    you
    my dear are so APPRECIATED!!!! Thank you so so much!
  • stacy_harp
    stacy_harp Member Posts: 44

    Making yourself crazy
    Having been there myself I can understand your worry about the breast lump but you are going to make yourself crazy before anything even happens. There are a number of different kinds of biopsies and you do not even know which kind you are going to have. You haven't even met with the surgeon. The types of breast biopsies include (but may not be limited to): fine needle aspiration biopsy, core needle biopsy,stereotactic core needle biopsy, and excisional biopsy. It is also possible that the lump is an inflamed/infected lymph node but you will not know until it is biopsied. You are doing everything right by consulting a surgeon and not just sitting around for 6 months while whatever it is grows. Once you and your surgeon decide what needs to be done you can discuss anesthesia and pain management. I have had an excision biopsy and a fine needle aspiration as well as an ultrasound guided core needle biopsy. Only the excision biopsy was done under general anesthesia.

    Let us know how it goes.

    IRENE

    YOU
    my dear are so APPRECIATED!!!! Thank you so so much!
  • stacy_harp
    stacy_harp Member Posts: 44
    Jobi said:

    This is not a silly question!
    Hello,

    Your situation sounds exactly like mine. I found the lump, waited a little, and then went to the doctor. I was then told to have a mammogram; however, since I have very dense breasts, an ultrasound was also done. When the doctor saw that it was not fluid filled, a biopsy was ordered. The doctor found that the lump was cancerous. Later after an MRI, two other areas were found that the mammo and ultrasound did not pick up. I am not saying this to scare you, but to urge you to push for more action. I hope this helps.

    thank you
    i needed your comment to reassure myself that I am not being too pushy. i will keep ya posted. i guess my Dr wasnt ok with waiting for the referral for 10 days because he called the military insurance (tricare) and got my referral pushed through. I will be able to call tomorrow for an appointmemt