Another Mucoepidermoid Carcinoma

tommyodavey
tommyodavey Member Posts: 728 Member
Hi Everyone,

I'm really glad I found you all here. Very nice to be able to read about others experiences and learn from it. This is not my first post but my first topic heading.

My case is similar to others. Have had a lump on my right neck for almost a year. Showed it to at least four doctors who dismissed it as nothing. Ended up getting another sinus infection which forced me to a new ENT. She questioned the lump, scoped me and found a 4cm mass on the base of my tongue and got really mad at my previous doctors.

Had the biopsy and PET scan which showed the Mucoepidermoid Carcinoma. Stage 3 because it had metastasized to my right lymph node. (the lump)

Went in for surgery to remove the mass from my tongue and expected the worst. The doctor I have is the best Head and Neck surgeon in Nevada and he used a mechanical robot to cut the tumor out. He told us that this cancer is rare and the treatment is not clearly defined. He suggested surgery and chemo/rad. Once he got the tumor out he said it was good news because it was clearly defined and was fairly sure he got it all.

Next I'll go in for neck surgery to remove the lymph node and several surrounding ones. He will also move my left salivary gland to the center of my chin and instruct the radiation team to not hit that area. This will hopefully save my teeth and keep saliva in my mouth. Low dose radiation instead of the normal treatment.

Has anyone ever had lose dose radiation? Just wondering what to expect.

Once again I am very glad to be here and my heart pours out to those who have suffered much more than I. This last surgery was a walk through hell but I made it so far. The next surgery isn't supposed to be as bad. (I hope)

Thanks to all,

Tommy

Comments

  • longtermsurvivor
    longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,842 Member
    Hi Tommy
    I have no experience whatsoever with your situation, nor with the treatment modifications you are describing. However, this obviously bodes well for you. You won't get anything like the side-effects that many of us suffer from the radiation. Good for you!

    Best

    Pat
  • jim and i
    jim and i Member Posts: 1,788 Member
    Welcome Tommy,
    My husband has stage four base of tongue, finished treatment mid August and is slowly recovering. I do not have experience with low dose rads as he had full on rads but no surgery. It sounds like your surgeon is doing you a favor by moving the gland to preserve the saliva. The mucus and dry mouth are the worst according to Jim. I pray that you have minimal side effects and a speedy recovery.

    Debbie
  • tommyodavey
    tommyodavey Member Posts: 728 Member
    jim and i said:

    Welcome Tommy,
    My husband has stage four base of tongue, finished treatment mid August and is slowly recovering. I do not have experience with low dose rads as he had full on rads but no surgery. It sounds like your surgeon is doing you a favor by moving the gland to preserve the saliva. The mucus and dry mouth are the worst according to Jim. I pray that you have minimal side effects and a speedy recovery.

    Debbie

    Thanks
    Pat and Debbie,

    Nice to hear from both of you. I am surprised mine wasn't a stage 4 due to how long it's been there. From what my doctor said there are only a few cases per year so even he was perplexed on how to treat it.

    Each day gets better and better. I did make the mistake of eating some turkey yesterday and it was too rich. The last 15 days has only been soup, eggs, and canned fruit. Felt terrible after eating the dish laden with gravy. My stomach was just not used to it. So far I've lost close to 8lbs and more than half my belly. Haven't been this thin since the early 80's.

    Today I'm back on soup and soft foods and feel much better. My dinner tonight will be very moist Mac N Cheese with a super helping of spinach. I so crave veggies and that does the trick.

    I've learned a lot from everyone here and it's very appreciated.

    Tommy
  • Hondo
    Hondo Member Posts: 6,636 Member
    Hi Tommy
    I am NPC cancer but we are all just one big family here and sorry in one way but happy in another way that you are here with us.

    Take care and welcome to the family
    Hondo
  • tommyodavey
    tommyodavey Member Posts: 728 Member
    Hondo said:

    Hi Tommy
    I am NPC cancer but we are all just one big family here and sorry in one way but happy in another way that you are here with us.

    Take care and welcome to the family
    Hondo

    Welcome
    Thanks Hondo,

    Support is very necessary for recovery and this place is one more tool in my toolbelt.

    Tommy
  • ekdennie
    ekdennie Member Posts: 238 Member
    MEC of the hard palate
    Hello Tommy,
    I also had MEC, but mine was on the hard palate. Mine was clinically stage 4, but stage 2 pathologically (post surgery). we thought it was low grade before surgery and turned out to be intermediate grade post surgery, so I had 30 rounds of IMRT radiation. This method of radiation was great for me in that it allowed most of my salivary function to remain in tact, while still treating the areas where the tumor had been. I had some scatter and a couple of areas where they were not able to block the radiation and ended up with sores in those areas too, but I was able to avoid a feeding tube, but only barely. for any radiation, you should expect that it will be painful and difficult to eat or drink during treatment. you will be very tired. make sure you get floride trays from your dentist...I was told I didn't need them and I have some dental issues that my current dentist feels are a result of the radiation. MEC is very rare and it can be tricky to treat. the reason it is so hard to treat is that it is a type of cancer that involve a mixture of types of cells. for example, my tumor was not just MEC, but MEC clear cell variety. but you can have other varieties as well...some of which respond well to radiation and some that do not. clear cell responds well, so I was very lucky in my treatment. in addition, it is not as important to know what stage the tumor was, but what grade it was. low grade has a much better prognosis than intermediate or high grade. high grade is the hardest to treat. in general, low grade is often treated with surgery. with clear margins low grade usually doesn't require radiation and they can often be considered "cured". Intermediate grade is often, but not always treated with surgery and radiation, sometimes with chemo, but chemo is often not recommended or as successful. high grade patients are often given surgery (if possible) followed by chemo and radiation, but once again chemo is often not as successful as surgery and radiation...they do not know why.
    you have to be careful if you read the studies on MEC that show up on the internet, they often show worse case scenarios and in a couple of case the numbers made it look like the prognosis for MEC in the long run was very poor, but when I looked at the fine print, the ages of those used in the study were well over 65 and although it looked like the long-term (5-10 year) prognosis was horrible, only a couple who had passed on had done so as a result of their tumor or treatment...the rest was due to old age or other factors! you also have to be careful in that a lot of the info on MEC's is not directed for humans but for the treatment of dogs, as they also get it! :)

    wishing you much success in your next surgery and in any treatment course you need. I am not online very much at the moment, but I check in every now and then. Huge hugs coming your way!
    ekdennie
  • tommyodavey
    tommyodavey Member Posts: 728 Member
    ekdennie said:

    MEC of the hard palate
    Hello Tommy,
    I also had MEC, but mine was on the hard palate. Mine was clinically stage 4, but stage 2 pathologically (post surgery). we thought it was low grade before surgery and turned out to be intermediate grade post surgery, so I had 30 rounds of IMRT radiation. This method of radiation was great for me in that it allowed most of my salivary function to remain in tact, while still treating the areas where the tumor had been. I had some scatter and a couple of areas where they were not able to block the radiation and ended up with sores in those areas too, but I was able to avoid a feeding tube, but only barely. for any radiation, you should expect that it will be painful and difficult to eat or drink during treatment. you will be very tired. make sure you get floride trays from your dentist...I was told I didn't need them and I have some dental issues that my current dentist feels are a result of the radiation. MEC is very rare and it can be tricky to treat. the reason it is so hard to treat is that it is a type of cancer that involve a mixture of types of cells. for example, my tumor was not just MEC, but MEC clear cell variety. but you can have other varieties as well...some of which respond well to radiation and some that do not. clear cell responds well, so I was very lucky in my treatment. in addition, it is not as important to know what stage the tumor was, but what grade it was. low grade has a much better prognosis than intermediate or high grade. high grade is the hardest to treat. in general, low grade is often treated with surgery. with clear margins low grade usually doesn't require radiation and they can often be considered "cured". Intermediate grade is often, but not always treated with surgery and radiation, sometimes with chemo, but chemo is often not recommended or as successful. high grade patients are often given surgery (if possible) followed by chemo and radiation, but once again chemo is often not as successful as surgery and radiation...they do not know why.
    you have to be careful if you read the studies on MEC that show up on the internet, they often show worse case scenarios and in a couple of case the numbers made it look like the prognosis for MEC in the long run was very poor, but when I looked at the fine print, the ages of those used in the study were well over 65 and although it looked like the long-term (5-10 year) prognosis was horrible, only a couple who had passed on had done so as a result of their tumor or treatment...the rest was due to old age or other factors! you also have to be careful in that a lot of the info on MEC's is not directed for humans but for the treatment of dogs, as they also get it! :)

    wishing you much success in your next surgery and in any treatment course you need. I am not online very much at the moment, but I check in every now and then. Huge hugs coming your way!
    ekdennie

    MEC
    Thanks for all the information ekdennie. Anything I can read is all good. And yes, you are correct about this cancer being so very rare and different in most all cases. My surgeon said there are only a few hundred cases a year and not very many on the base of the tongue. There doesn't seem to be a pattern with this one so they do the most traditional methods of treatment. Fine with me.

    I have one more surgery to remove my right lymph node and some surrounding it. Then he'll move my left salivary gland to the center on my mouth so as not to lose teeth. We'll see how that goes and how sore my mouth will be.

    This past few weeks I may have lost about 8-10lbs. Not too bad really but I've been told to put some more weight back on before the radiation starts. No one seems to know how bad low dose rad will be. My attitude is positive although I know it will be painful. And I picked up my fluoride tray yesterday so I'm set there.

    I hope to keep talking to you about this in the future.

    Tommy
  • Hondo
    Hondo Member Posts: 6,636 Member

    Welcome
    Thanks Hondo,

    Support is very necessary for recovery and this place is one more tool in my toolbelt.

    Tommy

    Hi Tommy

    Very well said we all need a little help and support and the best place to get it is from others who have been through it.

    Glad you are here with us my friend just sorry it is because of C.
    Hondo
  • longtermsurvivor
    longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,842 Member

    MEC
    Thanks for all the information ekdennie. Anything I can read is all good. And yes, you are correct about this cancer being so very rare and different in most all cases. My surgeon said there are only a few hundred cases a year and not very many on the base of the tongue. There doesn't seem to be a pattern with this one so they do the most traditional methods of treatment. Fine with me.

    I have one more surgery to remove my right lymph node and some surrounding it. Then he'll move my left salivary gland to the center on my mouth so as not to lose teeth. We'll see how that goes and how sore my mouth will be.

    This past few weeks I may have lost about 8-10lbs. Not too bad really but I've been told to put some more weight back on before the radiation starts. No one seems to know how bad low dose rad will be. My attitude is positive although I know it will be painful. And I picked up my fluoride tray yesterday so I'm set there.

    I hope to keep talking to you about this in the future.

    Tommy

    on taking the radiation as it comes
    I agree with the attitude that we should prepare for the worst. But to present a positive side to all this, the radiation won't necessarily be painful. I had 7000 rads for a base of tongue cancer, in the days when the treatment fields were huge, done with Co60, no IMRT. I had no pain whatsoever, no mucositis, and no skin breakdown. So it may be painful, but maybe, just maybe, it won't. It's all good afterall, because it beats the alternative.

    Pat
  • osmotar
    osmotar Member Posts: 1,006

    MEC
    Thanks for all the information ekdennie. Anything I can read is all good. And yes, you are correct about this cancer being so very rare and different in most all cases. My surgeon said there are only a few hundred cases a year and not very many on the base of the tongue. There doesn't seem to be a pattern with this one so they do the most traditional methods of treatment. Fine with me.

    I have one more surgery to remove my right lymph node and some surrounding it. Then he'll move my left salivary gland to the center on my mouth so as not to lose teeth. We'll see how that goes and how sore my mouth will be.

    This past few weeks I may have lost about 8-10lbs. Not too bad really but I've been told to put some more weight back on before the radiation starts. No one seems to know how bad low dose rad will be. My attitude is positive although I know it will be painful. And I picked up my fluoride tray yesterday so I'm set there.

    I hope to keep talking to you about this in the future.

    Tommy

    Radiation and Weight
    I see my rad onco and his nurse every week...the nurse weighs me every week. They want me to loose no more than 1-2 lbs per week, or not more than 20% of my body weight.I asked the rad guy about a feeding tube , and he isn't a fan, but will not hesitate if my weight drops too low. The dietician that works with this group wants me to eat anywhere from 2200 to 2500 calories per day. I use the floride trays too. Keep up the weight, keep the positive attitude, and before you know it the rads will be over.

    Linda
  • sukichu61832
    sukichu61832 Member Posts: 12
    Low dose rads
    Hi Tommy and welcome to the board. I have learned many things from reading the all the posts as well. I am currently receiving "low dose" radiation. I am getting 5200 to the lymph/neck region as I had one node involvement, and 6000 to the left tonsil area even though I had the tonsil removed by robotic surgery. (not as "low" as one would think) At the time of the tonsil removal, they also did a neck dissection - both sides. I am eight weeks out of surgery and a week into radiation. What I can tell you is I do have problems with my left shoulder and arm from the surgeon messing around with the nerve during the dissection. This is not uncommon, but takes 6 months to a year to heal. I would make sure you get a really good idea of how many nodes they intend to take out, and if they are going to dissect both sides or just one. They took out about 34 of my nodes - only one involved. I am still numb from the top of my ears to my lower neck. Don't be surprised if your surgeon and your radiologist disagree on the amount of radiation you will need. Keep us updated and good luck.
  • Sue22
    Sue22 Member Posts: 99

    MEC
    Thanks for all the information ekdennie. Anything I can read is all good. And yes, you are correct about this cancer being so very rare and different in most all cases. My surgeon said there are only a few hundred cases a year and not very many on the base of the tongue. There doesn't seem to be a pattern with this one so they do the most traditional methods of treatment. Fine with me.

    I have one more surgery to remove my right lymph node and some surrounding it. Then he'll move my left salivary gland to the center on my mouth so as not to lose teeth. We'll see how that goes and how sore my mouth will be.

    This past few weeks I may have lost about 8-10lbs. Not too bad really but I've been told to put some more weight back on before the radiation starts. No one seems to know how bad low dose rad will be. My attitude is positive although I know it will be painful. And I picked up my fluoride tray yesterday so I'm set there.

    I hope to keep talking to you about this in the future.

    Tommy

    Hi Tommy. I am sending
    Hi Tommy. I am sending positive thoughts towards you. Hang in there. Sue
  • tommyodavey
    tommyodavey Member Posts: 728 Member

    Low dose rads
    Hi Tommy and welcome to the board. I have learned many things from reading the all the posts as well. I am currently receiving "low dose" radiation. I am getting 5200 to the lymph/neck region as I had one node involvement, and 6000 to the left tonsil area even though I had the tonsil removed by robotic surgery. (not as "low" as one would think) At the time of the tonsil removal, they also did a neck dissection - both sides. I am eight weeks out of surgery and a week into radiation. What I can tell you is I do have problems with my left shoulder and arm from the surgeon messing around with the nerve during the dissection. This is not uncommon, but takes 6 months to a year to heal. I would make sure you get a really good idea of how many nodes they intend to take out, and if they are going to dissect both sides or just one. They took out about 34 of my nodes - only one involved. I am still numb from the top of my ears to my lower neck. Don't be surprised if your surgeon and your radiologist disagree on the amount of radiation you will need. Keep us updated and good luck.

    Great Support
    Wow, everyone here is so supportive that it touches my heart warmly. I really have no clue what I'm in for in the near future. The surgery doesn't scare me, the radiation does. But one can always hope to one of those who come through it with minimal side effects. A man can dream, can't he?

    So many are suffering here and still keep up the good attitude. I hope to be another one and not whine too much. Ya'll know how men are with pain!

    Thanks again for all your support,

    Tommy O
  • Mikemetz
    Mikemetz Member Posts: 465 Member

    Great Support
    Wow, everyone here is so supportive that it touches my heart warmly. I really have no clue what I'm in for in the near future. The surgery doesn't scare me, the radiation does. But one can always hope to one of those who come through it with minimal side effects. A man can dream, can't he?

    So many are suffering here and still keep up the good attitude. I hope to be another one and not whine too much. Ya'll know how men are with pain!

    Thanks again for all your support,

    Tommy O

    Also MEC
    I was diagnosed with base of tongue MEC early in 2009. Stage 3+. While the MEC diagnosis made me even more alarmed because of its rarity, the doctors were confident that it should be treated the same way as SCC--which turned out to be true. My tumor responded well to the chemo + radiation and I have had NED since I completed the treatments. So, I would not let the fact that it's MEC give you any additional worry. Soon after the treatments started I realized that my biggest battle was not going to be against cancer--it would be against the side effects of the chemo and radiation, and the meds I had to take along the way. As you have seen here, everyone responds differently to the treatments, so all you can do is wait to see what happens, and deal with things as they come along. The best thing I did was to "listen to my body" constantly, and not be shy about asking what and why things were happening--and then get the care I needed to keep me going.
  • Hondo
    Hondo Member Posts: 6,636 Member

    Great Support
    Wow, everyone here is so supportive that it touches my heart warmly. I really have no clue what I'm in for in the near future. The surgery doesn't scare me, the radiation does. But one can always hope to one of those who come through it with minimal side effects. A man can dream, can't he?

    So many are suffering here and still keep up the good attitude. I hope to be another one and not whine too much. Ya'll know how men are with pain!

    Thanks again for all your support,

    Tommy O

    Tommy


    We will all be here for you when you start treatment and while you are going through it. It is just something we do to try to make it a little easier as we have all been there before.

    PS: Don’t worry about being a whimp yes we are men but I found it is ok to cry and still be a man. :+})

    All the best
    Hondo
  • ACC Survivor
    ACC Survivor Member Posts: 2
    Hope
    Hi
    I had a total glossectomy, in english that means they total removed my tongue. Was in surgery for 18 hours. Had my neck, throat, and flap (thats what they call my tongue because it does not move) rebulit from my right thigh. I had a feeding tube and a trac. Both have since been removed. I had neck and nerve issues since 2005 went 2 more doctors then I care to remember, was finally diagnosed in Sept. 2010. Had my surgery on Nov. 2, 2010. I can speak, but its hard for people to understabd me when i speak on the phone. What i was diagnosed with they call it Adenoid Cystic Carcinoma stage 3. Its been a rough road, to get this far. The type of Radation i had was lazer beam, not sure of the dose. The was very lucky not to have many side effects. My hair broke off on the back of my neck, teeth discolored some. I hope all goes for you.