NO SURGERY FOR NOW
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My surgical oncologist, the most experienced in our region in performing minimally invasive esophagectomies with a robot, recommended the second chemo/radiation therapy as an alternate curative treatment that the results have shown to eradicate esophageal cancer in ~20 percent of people who successfully complete it. The treatment leaves behind scar tissue that heals over. At our appointment last week the surgeon told me he saw one of his female patients last month who had the same cancer as I, underwent the same chemo/radiation as I, did not have surgery and has been completely clear and living a good life for over two years now. He cited other cases where esophageal cancer is cured without surgery. He also said that in some of the MIE's performed after chemo/radiation therapy, the removed esophagus tube and stomach tissue have been found to be completely free of viable cancer by post-op pathology test. I know from reading this forum you are a staunch advocate of surgery as the end all treatment for anyone who has cancer, regardless of staging. While I appreciate your perspective and admire your gracious willingness to help others and provide research information, I keep in perspective that you speak from one patient’s experience from 2003, NOT as a licensed and trained medical professional skilled and experienced in these matters. Much has changed in the last 8 years, and 8 years from now approaches to esophageal cancer treatment will be even different still. In my personal experience during the last year I have worked with nine doctors, specialists in their respective cancer and treatment disciplines, and I obtained second opinions and questioned absolutely EVERYTHING. In addition, I relied on the expert medical opinions of six other radiologists and pathologists who read my films and examined my tissue biopsies, blood work, and organ function tests.unknown said:This comment has been removed by the Moderator
In January 2011, looking like a skeleton at 132 pounds, experiencing horrifying radiation pain and feeling very near death I knew very well my life is at stake. Now three months later I wake up each day pain free, today a vibrant 157 pounds, able to eat everything and run a mile again without stopping. I simply thank god for my surgeon’s recommendation last November to give chemo/radiation a try. Consider why an ethical Surgical Oncologist would be willing to skip a significant payday performing a very expensive robot assisted MIE - does he really want me to die, or does he believe that surgery is unnecessary at this time given that clinical results, pathology tests, and direct examination by a Medical Oncologist, Radiation Oncologist, Gastroenterologist, Radiologist, Pathologist and Internist are in concurrence. I have faith in the opinions and guidance of the team of medical professionals I have worked with and trust they have my best interests at heart.
When I came to this forum I wanted to do what most others who come here do, learn about other people’s experiences, gain insights on self-help from survivors who’ve been there, get and provide all important encouragement, and share the things from my personal experience that proved to positive benefit me and could be helpful to others.
What I didn’t expect was to receive ill-mannered comments. In your message above you criticize my comment about surviving the worst of it. Yes William, try 10 straight months of daily vomiting, endless days of starvation being unable to eat most everything, 40 pounds of weight loss, terrible cancer pain that required daily doses of oxycodone each time before I attempted to eat, days when death seemed the better option, and the worst feeling of all that because of cancer that was trying to kill me, I was failing my wife and children. Now add on top of that a summer long chemo regime that included the debilitating effects of Epirubicin, then a second round with radiation that nearly put me down, and yes, I experienced the worst of it. Did I mention fear, mental anguish and side effects that go along with all of this? I could go on for pages on that but there is no need. Bottom line, I engaged in a horrific fight with cancer not of my choosing and managed to survive what does unfortunately take the life of other people, and I find your disparagement to be incredibly insensitive.
I also found an older message you wrote to me dated March 1, 2011 in which you said: “I can tell you emphatically that the chemo and radiation will not leave your Esophagus in any shape to be rebuilt on its own! It is ‘beyond redemption!’ It is beyond repair at this point, thus the reason for the removal.”
I had 10 endoscopies this last year. On 7 of those, about once a month, the Gastroenterologist literally kept me alive by stretching open the stenosis in my lower esophagus to restore my ability to swallow food and water that helped me keep a little of it down after vomiting. The Gastroenterologist has an entirely different opinion from yours. In late February he wrote my esophagus now looks “absolutely normal” from top to bottom. I find a doctor who explores GI tracts for a living is a credible source of opinion, especially since my esophagus is functioning as designed and has allowed me to gain back 25 pounds without vomiting in almost 3 months. That is a blessing. I no longer consider myself a cancer patient, I consider myself a cancer survivor, and I’m going to enjoy to the utmost however many days I have left and do my very best to be as kind as I can and help other people succeed. And for now that’s all I have to say about that.
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I celebrate your cure.kcinpdx said:My surgical oncologist, the most experienced in our region in performing minimally invasive esophagectomies with a robot, recommended the second chemo/radiation therapy as an alternate curative treatment that the results have shown to eradicate esophageal cancer in ~20 percent of people who successfully complete it. The treatment leaves behind scar tissue that heals over. At our appointment last week the surgeon told me he saw one of his female patients last month who had the same cancer as I, underwent the same chemo/radiation as I, did not have surgery and has been completely clear and living a good life for over two years now. He cited other cases where esophageal cancer is cured without surgery. He also said that in some of the MIE's performed after chemo/radiation therapy, the removed esophagus tube and stomach tissue have been found to be completely free of viable cancer by post-op pathology test. I know from reading this forum you are a staunch advocate of surgery as the end all treatment for anyone who has cancer, regardless of staging. While I appreciate your perspective and admire your gracious willingness to help others and provide research information, I keep in perspective that you speak from one patient’s experience from 2003, NOT as a licensed and trained medical professional skilled and experienced in these matters. Much has changed in the last 8 years, and 8 years from now approaches to esophageal cancer treatment will be even different still. In my personal experience during the last year I have worked with nine doctors, specialists in their respective cancer and treatment disciplines, and I obtained second opinions and questioned absolutely EVERYTHING. In addition, I relied on the expert medical opinions of six other radiologists and pathologists who read my films and examined my tissue biopsies, blood work, and organ function tests.
In January 2011, looking like a skeleton at 132 pounds, experiencing horrifying radiation pain and feeling very near death I knew very well my life is at stake. Now three months later I wake up each day pain free, today a vibrant 157 pounds, able to eat everything and run a mile again without stopping. I simply thank god for my surgeon’s recommendation last November to give chemo/radiation a try. Consider why an ethical Surgical Oncologist would be willing to skip a significant payday performing a very expensive robot assisted MIE - does he really want me to die, or does he believe that surgery is unnecessary at this time given that clinical results, pathology tests, and direct examination by a Medical Oncologist, Radiation Oncologist, Gastroenterologist, Radiologist, Pathologist and Internist are in concurrence. I have faith in the opinions and guidance of the team of medical professionals I have worked with and trust they have my best interests at heart.
When I came to this forum I wanted to do what most others who come here do, learn about other people’s experiences, gain insights on self-help from survivors who’ve been there, get and provide all important encouragement, and share the things from my personal experience that proved to positive benefit me and could be helpful to others.
What I didn’t expect was to receive ill-mannered comments. In your message above you criticize my comment about surviving the worst of it. Yes William, try 10 straight months of daily vomiting, endless days of starvation being unable to eat most everything, 40 pounds of weight loss, terrible cancer pain that required daily doses of oxycodone each time before I attempted to eat, days when death seemed the better option, and the worst feeling of all that because of cancer that was trying to kill me, I was failing my wife and children. Now add on top of that a summer long chemo regime that included the debilitating effects of Epirubicin, then a second round with radiation that nearly put me down, and yes, I experienced the worst of it. Did I mention fear, mental anguish and side effects that go along with all of this? I could go on for pages on that but there is no need. Bottom line, I engaged in a horrific fight with cancer not of my choosing and managed to survive what does unfortunately take the life of other people, and I find your disparagement to be incredibly insensitive.
I also found an older message you wrote to me dated March 1, 2011 in which you said: “I can tell you emphatically that the chemo and radiation will not leave your Esophagus in any shape to be rebuilt on its own! It is ‘beyond redemption!’ It is beyond repair at this point, thus the reason for the removal.”
I had 10 endoscopies this last year. On 7 of those, about once a month, the Gastroenterologist literally kept me alive by stretching open the stenosis in my lower esophagus to restore my ability to swallow food and water that helped me keep a little of it down after vomiting. The Gastroenterologist has an entirely different opinion from yours. In late February he wrote my esophagus now looks “absolutely normal” from top to bottom. I find a doctor who explores GI tracts for a living is a credible source of opinion, especially since my esophagus is functioning as designed and has allowed me to gain back 25 pounds without vomiting in almost 3 months. That is a blessing. I no longer consider myself a cancer patient, I consider myself a cancer survivor, and I’m going to enjoy to the utmost however many days I have left and do my very best to be as kind as I can and help other people succeed. And for now that’s all I have to say about that.
Keith
It is with great joy for you that you have achieved cure. It sounds like you had a horrible experience and that you are one of the lucky ones who have survived. My husband experienced several months of intense pain, chemo/radiation, weight loss, feeding tube, hospitalization,etc. -- as most have on this site. Treatment is not for the faint of heart. Following my husband's chemo/radiation, his PET scan was clear of cancer. He was Stage IIB as I understand. He underwent the invasive Ivor Lewis esophageactomy even though his skilled surgeon is trained in the de Vinci robot and does MI surgery. Post-op biopsy found live cancer cells underneath the scar tissue that the post treatment PET scan did not find. We are a family here. We often our sincerest, heartfelt opinions and suggestions to all who ask. Each member wants every EC patient to be a survivor. We are never personal in expressing our personal opinions nor attacking even if we disagree as we know that these suggestions are offered out of concern that someone might not be getting the care needed. Fortunately, in your case, you didn't need it. My husband's surgery was just last year. The private cancer center who oversaw his care uses the latest medications and procedures on a patient by patient basis as no one regimen fits all. He is cancer free. The new esophagus is working fine. There have been bumps in the road, but we are so thankful that his cancer team, very experienced and utilizing the latest in technology and medication, as a team reached the right decision on his behalf. So, hats off to you and your doctors. I have three physicians in my immediate family. They understand the complexity of medical diagnosis and how important information from lay people can be. I personally have found Mr. Marshall's posts to be of the upmost information and encouragement and have never found them to be rude to anyone. I do not understand your anonymousity towards us here; however, the real importance is that you have experienced cure through your treatment and that others may ask their doctors if this is the best mode of treatment. With my husband's surgery having been only a year ago, I would not expect his treatment to be outdated. However, let us hope continued progress in treatment continues and that yours is the successful wave of the future. Good luck to you. Hope you harbor no ill feelings towards us here.0 -
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May I tell you a story Keith. Avery sad story. My husband Vince was diaganosed stage 1 or 2 dr wasn't sure in Feb 2009. He had the MIE.No chemo or radiation before or after was offered. Vince was a non-smoker, non drinker, exercise nut and in great shape. he had the MIE and 3 months later we went on a 6,000 mile motorcycle ride. He was to go get a PET scan every 3 months.63 years old.
Dr would not give him a pet so in Aug 2009 he got a ct scan. No cancer. Dec 2009, no cancer but difficulty swallowing. Got dialated. Feb 2010 losing weight, trouble swallowing Pet scan done No cancer.
Dialated again. more trouble eating etc . Called dr to go in earlier than Aug for 18 month check up could not get in.
Got dialated again in May. No cancer just a stricture.
FINALLY got in Aug 5th 2010. Ct scan showed recurrent cancer localized. He told Vince to get chemo and radiation , when the tumor shrunk he would remove it. Aug 13th 2010 had a Pet scan NO CANCER at all lit up . So we were told by all the drs that since pet showed no cancer that maybe what he saw was residual dead cancer cells.So no chemo or radiation was done.
Vince was losing weight like crazy.They put a stent in to open esophagus. No mention of cancer at all as they could not do a biopsy as his esophagus was too narrow and it was dangerous.Beginning of Sept stent slipped and they removed it and replaced it with new one. Still no mention of cancer. Sept 28th 2010 they did a biopsy.The surgeon came out and told me my husband was terminal.Inoperable, incurable and with chemo maybe 1-2 years, without chemo 6 months.
My husband started chemo on Oct 19th 2010. and passed away 7 weeks ago on Feb 23rd.
He did EVERYTHING the drs told him to do and he is DEAD. I have lost my best friend, my lover, my husband and the greatest human being put on this planet.
You are playing a very dangerous game my friend by not having the surgury. You will die from this cancer if you do not have surgury. My husband should never have had this happen. IF he had gone to a BIG Cancer Center like MD Anderson or UPMC in the beginning, had the MIE done along with chemo and radiation he would be alive today.
I am so over some of these drs telling people untruths like you have had. Forgive me for being blunt but I am sickened by this cancer. It has destroyed my life and my family and friends life.
You are making a HUGE mistake by not being better informed.
My husband went from 202 lbs to 120 when he died. He suffered horribly and never had a good day since he started the chemo.
I wish you would reconsider.
Barb0
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