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  • bluerose
    bluerose Member Posts: 1,104
    #42
    Lisa13Q said:

    I wish
    I'm envious BlueRose......I wish I could believe.....consistently.....

    Hey Lisa
    I didn't want to go into the whole experience with the healing but one important thing I forgot to include was what I prayed for. It was to be cured but it wasn't for me, it was so that I could be there for my children. I believe, and this is just my little feeling and I'm not preaching, but I believe that prayers like those for a Mother for her children are especially powerful. To be there for them. I believe that's why I was blessed with a healing. Then my kids were around 3 and 5 and today my daughter is graduating univeristy soon and getting married as well. My son has started his career too. It's not THE MOST POWERFUL prayer I'm sure but it is one of the most powerful I think. I think the word 'unselfish' when praying is the more important word.

    If you pray unselfishly for others I think that is powerful prayer indeed. Don't ask me why some do that and the prayer is not granted, I don't question why one and not another but for me I think it's about the fact that some have their life mission finished and others still have yet to accomplish that. That makes sense to me anywho. I'm still around so maybe it just means I am a slow learner. lol. Hey no comments from the cheap seats friends who are reading this. lol.

    Anywho Lisa I personally feel God is with us all and even though prayers don't always go the way we want them too I believe in a master plan and I am not the master.

    Wishing you all the best Lisa.

    Hugs,

    Bluerose
  • Lisa13Q
    Lisa13Q Member Posts: 677
    #43
    bluerose said:

    Hey Lisa
    I didn't want to go into the whole experience with the healing but one important thing I forgot to include was what I prayed for. It was to be cured but it wasn't for me, it was so that I could be there for my children. I believe, and this is just my little feeling and I'm not preaching, but I believe that prayers like those for a Mother for her children are especially powerful. To be there for them. I believe that's why I was blessed with a healing. Then my kids were around 3 and 5 and today my daughter is graduating univeristy soon and getting married as well. My son has started his career too. It's not THE MOST POWERFUL prayer I'm sure but it is one of the most powerful I think. I think the word 'unselfish' when praying is the more important word.

    If you pray unselfishly for others I think that is powerful prayer indeed. Don't ask me why some do that and the prayer is not granted, I don't question why one and not another but for me I think it's about the fact that some have their life mission finished and others still have yet to accomplish that. That makes sense to me anywho. I'm still around so maybe it just means I am a slow learner. lol. Hey no comments from the cheap seats friends who are reading this. lol.

    Anywho Lisa I personally feel God is with us all and even though prayers don't always go the way we want them too I believe in a master plan and I am not the master.

    Wishing you all the best Lisa.

    Hugs,

    Bluerose

    How does one get belief?
    Hi Blue, Glad to see you again..i remember you from the Ovarian cancer board...I lurk on this one... and love reading the posts....don't know what I am: agnostic, atheist, or what...not sure it matters to me actually, what does that make me? An agnostic of major proportions....I just realized in reading so many of the posts in this discussion, that I am envious of those who "know" or "believe"...I want to so much, ....how much happier i could be for my mother....and all of us to know there is something watching out for us, and a great place to go when all the suffering was over....someone said "fighting cancer without God would be horrible" I thought fighting cancer with God is still be horrible. I know plenty of "believers" who suffer pretty badly....fighting cancer without doctors would be horrible too...fighting cancer with doctors sucks pretty bad as well....I think fighting cancer no matter what is horrible....I'm just not sure where God fits in.....I'd like to know where someone who wants to believe but can't believe goes? How can I get some of that? Why do some folks have that "belief and others don't?" I'm a wanter of the belief gene....
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
    #44
    Lisa13Q said:

    How does one get belief?
    Hi Blue, Glad to see you again..i remember you from the Ovarian cancer board...I lurk on this one... and love reading the posts....don't know what I am: agnostic, atheist, or what...not sure it matters to me actually, what does that make me? An agnostic of major proportions....I just realized in reading so many of the posts in this discussion, that I am envious of those who "know" or "believe"...I want to so much, ....how much happier i could be for my mother....and all of us to know there is something watching out for us, and a great place to go when all the suffering was over....someone said "fighting cancer without God would be horrible" I thought fighting cancer with God is still be horrible. I know plenty of "believers" who suffer pretty badly....fighting cancer without doctors would be horrible too...fighting cancer with doctors sucks pretty bad as well....I think fighting cancer no matter what is horrible....I'm just not sure where God fits in.....I'd like to know where someone who wants to believe but can't believe goes? How can I get some of that? Why do some folks have that "belief and others don't?" I'm a wanter of the belief gene....

    someone said "fighting cancer without God would be horrible"
    That same poster told a user on the CRC board she was going to hell for not believing as he did. He then did one of those non apologies, saying he was sorry if he offended, but he could prove it with scripture.

    If you click on his name it will take you nowhere, as he got banned from the site.

    Fighting cancer without family is horrible

    Fighting cancer without friends is horrible

    Fighting cancer without insurance is horrible

    Fighting cancer without doctors is horrible

    As to how you get belief? Choose. Be a Hindu, Sikh, Sunni, Shiite, Coptic, Jew, Mormon, Scientologist or any of the thousand or so brands of Christianity. Then study their books, pay their dues, take their blessings and you will become one of them.

    Or, as some others do, accept a vague notion of a higher power and let it rest at that, your own personal view of god and heaven.

    Or, you can continue to question, be rational, accept that not everything is known, but just because it is unknown does not mean that the answer is magic or mysticism.

    Your choice, but only you get to choose.
  • Lisa13Q
    Lisa13Q Member Posts: 677
    #45
    Buckwirth said:

    someone said "fighting cancer without God would be horrible"
    That same poster told a user on the CRC board she was going to hell for not believing as he did. He then did one of those non apologies, saying he was sorry if he offended, but he could prove it with scripture.

    If you click on his name it will take you nowhere, as he got banned from the site.

    Fighting cancer without family is horrible

    Fighting cancer without friends is horrible

    Fighting cancer without insurance is horrible

    Fighting cancer without doctors is horrible

    As to how you get belief? Choose. Be a Hindu, Sikh, Sunni, Shiite, Coptic, Jew, Mormon, Scientologist or any of the thousand or so brands of Christianity. Then study their books, pay their dues, take their blessings and you will become one of them.

    Or, as some others do, accept a vague notion of a higher power and let it rest at that, your own personal view of god and heaven.

    Or, you can continue to question, be rational, accept that not everything is known, but just because it is unknown does not mean that the answer is magic or mysticism.

    Your choice, but only you get to choose.

    Damn that choice thing..
    OMG,,, belief is a choice? Damn,,,,,I was hoping that I would be infused, or have an experience that somehow crossed my intellectual barrier....as someone said to me at dinner tonight, "I want to believe, but my intellect just can't make that jump". Ever since I was little and heard about heaven and God, I always wondered, how in the world is there a place that can hold so many people? If God created the world, ok, but who created God? ....I love Blue Rose's story about her healing and she just "knew". I think she's lucky......wouldn't that be nice? But alas, I have not had that experience....,,,I can read and it's fascinating, but I cannot jump...I do admit, I envy those who have made the leap of faith....I guess I'm a believer wanna be...or I choose to stay on this side of the abyss...
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
    #46
    Lisa13Q said:

    Damn that choice thing..
    OMG,,, belief is a choice? Damn,,,,,I was hoping that I would be infused, or have an experience that somehow crossed my intellectual barrier....as someone said to me at dinner tonight, "I want to believe, but my intellect just can't make that jump". Ever since I was little and heard about heaven and God, I always wondered, how in the world is there a place that can hold so many people? If God created the world, ok, but who created God? ....I love Blue Rose's story about her healing and she just "knew". I think she's lucky......wouldn't that be nice? But alas, I have not had that experience....,,,I can read and it's fascinating, but I cannot jump...I do admit, I envy those who have made the leap of faith....I guess I'm a believer wanna be...or I choose to stay on this side of the abyss...

    It' a bird (sp) isn't it
    ;-)
  • Lisa13Q
    Lisa13Q Member Posts: 677
    #47
    Buckwirth said:

    It' a bird (sp) isn't it
    ;-)

    Juvenile Eagle
    It's my photograph...thought it emulated my personality....LOL
  • mariam_11_09
    mariam_11_09 Member Posts: 691 Member
    #48
    PhillieG said:

    Don't Know
    That's why I'm an agnostic!
    ;-)

    Physics tells us that energy can neither be created nor destroyed so I lean more toward our energy moving on in some form or another. That's about it. I'm much clearer about what I believe does not happen.
    -phil
    Great rose photo by the way...

    For me, science and God go

    For me, science and God go hand in hand. They are not mutually exculusive. This I realised while I was studying applied math, physics and chemistry. It was such a deep spiritual experience.
  • MeggieTye
    MeggieTye Member Posts: 3
    #49
    Lisa13Q said:

    Juvenile Eagle
    It's my photograph...thought it emulated my personality....LOL

    Just very spiritual not religious.
    I tried to put me (square peg) into a round hole (organized religion)...never really fit And I thought there was something wrong with me!! Turns out I believe in a Source ( God/Fred/Light ) whatever you want to call Him/Her but not in a paper membership card. Someone told me about the Spiritualist Church and a year later I took a gal pal and we visited one Sunday. NOT like any "church" I had ever been in!! They praise the Creator/Source/God/Godess whomever it is for you..my RC friend is still attending and that was 17 yrs ago. It is a place for everyone and many people who have their regular place of worship plus this church. It works well for us to be open minded in life and because I was while I was at loose ends, I found something pretty terrific that has enhanced my life. I mention it only as a service to people who may find it appealing but not familiar with the group.

    Meggie

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