Tongue Cancer just Diagnosed

Hi there

I came across this site as i was just recently (feb 14, 2011) diagnosed with cancer at the back of my tongue.

I had developed an off and on ear ache a few months ago, but i thought it was related to an small explosion working in our shop, as thats when it started. ever since then my ear ache has been off and on, but is there daily and getting slowly worse. The second symptom started when i got a high fever and sore throat a couple months ago, the fever went away after a day and i felt fine..which is rarely ever the case when i get sick. Anyway a couple months went by and my "sore throat" never went away. One day at work it hurt so bad to eat lunch i said, enough is enough and went to a local walk in clinic.

The doctor at the clinic checked my ear and throat and said it all looked fine. I said but it hurts like heck, so she checked my tongue and found a small lesion on the right side near the back. She asked a more senior doctor to also take a look and he recommended a local Head and neck specialist at Cancer Care here in Manitoba, Canada.

The specialized took a biopsy and some blood work. The very next week i got the results, and it was cancer. Man, does that feel crappy. From there i have recently had Cat scan which confirmed it was localized, but one lymph node is about 2cm. He staged it T2N1M0.

I am currently waiting for my surgery date which they said is within 2-3 weeks. I will have one of my lymph nodes taken out (the one thats 2cm) to be biopsy d, they need to break my jaw to surgically remove the cancer, about 1/3 of my tongue. They will patch it with skin off my arm. They will also need to remove a front tooth the break the jaw.


Man am i worried, Feeding tube, also breating tube in my neck, and just not knowing how much pain i will be in. And then worrying about the cancer not being gone. They did not mention RT or Chemo yet, and hopefully wont need it if the surgery and surgeon feels it all went ok.

Anyone gone through the jaw breaking surgery? What can i expect? They said I will be in the hospital about 10-14 days.

Thanks
Stefan

Comments

  • Misty2011
    Misty2011 Member Posts: 15
    Hi there,
    Just read your

    Hi there,

    Just read your post, and while I don't have any info to offer, I just wanted to tell you how very sorry I am that you have to go through all this, and that I will keep you in my prayers!!! My Dad was just diagnosed with base of tongue cancer, just had feeding tube and chemo port put in today, and will soon begin radiation and chemo. He too had sore throat that wouldn't go away, and then the ear pain began. Hope all goes well for you, and you have the least amount of pain as possible - and the nasty cancer will be GONE!

    God bless, Misty
  • Hal61
    Hal61 Member Posts: 655
    Welcome Stefan
    Hi Stefan, sorry you had to be here and glad you found the site. It's pretty scary to go from a sore throat to cancer. Most of the people here know the feeling. I was told over the phone while at work. "Yeah o.k., talk to you later," I said.

    I don't want too sound to dumb to you, but there is more than a little good news in your coming ordeal. Your stage is early. Many of us were diagnosed from inflamed lymph nodes, and were stage 4 by then, and that's common. A surgically broken jaw heals pretty well, and healing will take less time than chemo and radiation therapy would. I was diagnosed at stage 4 with mets to two lymph nodes, both on same side. I had chemo and radiation concurrently, and a partial neck dissection a few months later to mop up. I hoping with you that you won't have to do that part. However it goes, you're got plenty of reason to be hopeful, given what you have stepped into.

    You'll be able to answer a lot of your questions on tongue healing, therapy, and other subjects by logging in a doing a "Seach CSN Content" (upper right of screen) for the term "superthread". You'll want the one that reads "Superthread, A List of Links . . . "
    Superthread contains links to other helpful sites, but more important, links to past and recent threads on this board to common questions.

    Keep on posting. I and everyone on the board are with you, and here to help.

    best, Hal
  • Irishgypsie
    Irishgypsie Member Posts: 333
    2nd opinion!
    I could be wrong but I thought with the use of a robotic arm they don't have to break jaws anymore! I would get a 2nd opinion!! :(
  • D Lewis
    D Lewis Member Posts: 1,581 Member
    Radiation and Chemo?
    Stefan,

    Were you offered the option of radiation and chemotherapy instead of the surgery. Given that the cancer has metastasized to at least one lymph node, you will likely need radiation and possibly chemo to follow up. I was told that my Base of Tongue SCC, with mets to lymph nodes on both sides of my neck, could be successfully treated with radiation and chemo, and that it would not be necessary to surgically remove any of the tumor before the treatment began. Have you been offere this option? It may be of value to raise that question.

    Deb
  • Lena Rose
    Lena Rose Member Posts: 73
    D Lewis said:

    Radiation and Chemo?
    Stefan,

    Were you offered the option of radiation and chemotherapy instead of the surgery. Given that the cancer has metastasized to at least one lymph node, you will likely need radiation and possibly chemo to follow up. I was told that my Base of Tongue SCC, with mets to lymph nodes on both sides of my neck, could be successfully treated with radiation and chemo, and that it would not be necessary to surgically remove any of the tumor before the treatment began. Have you been offere this option? It may be of value to raise that question.

    Deb

    Hi Stefan
    I agree with Deb...my husband was diagnosed with stage 3 BOT SCC HPV+ last March. He was treated with 7 doses of chemo and 35 doses of radiation. He had a PEG tube inserted and just had it taken out last week. He had a clean PET scan in Sept. I know everything is so overwhelming in the beginning but please try to get another opinion.
  • sdecosse
    sdecosse Member Posts: 3
    Second Opinion
    I appreciate all the feedback!

    One thing i did not mention is that before they recommended my treatment my doctor brought me to a head and neck conference that is held at Cancer Care once a week. It has all the Chemo, RT and Surgery teams/doctors present at one time. I went into the conference where another doctor physically looked at the lesion and then after i left they all reviewed my case and as a big team came up with the best treatment.

    They gave me the opion of laser surgery as CancerCare is one of the leaders in laser surgery, i would not need my jaw busted then. BUT, my doctor said because my lesion is at the back of my tongue and sorta "around the corner" he felt that laser surgery would be cutting corners at this point.

    I am assuming that if my lymph node came back positive then they will recommend chemo or RT. They said with my age if i dont need to do RT that would be best. I am 25 btw.

    Again, thanks all!
  • buzz99
    buzz99 Member Posts: 404
    sdecosse said:

    Second Opinion
    I appreciate all the feedback!

    One thing i did not mention is that before they recommended my treatment my doctor brought me to a head and neck conference that is held at Cancer Care once a week. It has all the Chemo, RT and Surgery teams/doctors present at one time. I went into the conference where another doctor physically looked at the lesion and then after i left they all reviewed my case and as a big team came up with the best treatment.

    They gave me the opion of laser surgery as CancerCare is one of the leaders in laser surgery, i would not need my jaw busted then. BUT, my doctor said because my lesion is at the back of my tongue and sorta "around the corner" he felt that laser surgery would be cutting corners at this point.

    I am assuming that if my lymph node came back positive then they will recommend chemo or RT. They said with my age if i dont need to do RT that would be best. I am 25 btw.

    Again, thanks all!

    Hi Stefan
    You must be in a state of shock right now. We have been there. My husband had a BOT cancer T4N1M0 diagnosed in August 2010. We made a frantic visit to Mayo Clinic in Arizona from our home in Albuquerque at the end of August. As it turned out, my husband was not a candidate for the robotic surgery given the size of the tumor. The "jaw breaking surgery" was described to us and we felt we could not handle that. The other two options were chemo and radiation. So that is what we chose. You still might want to explore other options instead of the surgery. Take care and keep us informed. We are all here for you.
  • sdecosse
    sdecosse Member Posts: 3
    buzz99 said:

    Hi Stefan
    You must be in a state of shock right now. We have been there. My husband had a BOT cancer T4N1M0 diagnosed in August 2010. We made a frantic visit to Mayo Clinic in Arizona from our home in Albuquerque at the end of August. As it turned out, my husband was not a candidate for the robotic surgery given the size of the tumor. The "jaw breaking surgery" was described to us and we felt we could not handle that. The other two options were chemo and radiation. So that is what we chose. You still might want to explore other options instead of the surgery. Take care and keep us informed. We are all here for you.

    It is very hard to believe,
    It is very hard to believe, never smoked a day in my life and rarely drank alcohol.

    The "jaw breaking surgery" does scare me, but my doctor said since its done at surgery, and my young age that it would heal rather quick. To be honest reading on this site, radiation and chemo scare me more than the surgery.

    Just anxiously waiting for my surgery date and enjoying every normal meal i can eat.


    thanks again
  • lizziek
    lizziek Member Posts: 27
    sdecosse said:

    It is very hard to believe,
    It is very hard to believe, never smoked a day in my life and rarely drank alcohol.

    The "jaw breaking surgery" does scare me, but my doctor said since its done at surgery, and my young age that it would heal rather quick. To be honest reading on this site, radiation and chemo scare me more than the surgery.

    Just anxiously waiting for my surgery date and enjoying every normal meal i can eat.


    thanks again

    Get a second opinion at a top medical center
    I would highly recommend you do some internet research to find a top center head and neck cancer or even consider coming to the US for a second opinion. I just saw an announcement they had started doing this surgery in Canada at the London Health Sciences Centre in southern Ontario. (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.cancer/browse_thread/thread/a0eae344a7f038f6)

    I am scheduled for robotic surgery on March 18th at Mount Sinai with Dr. Genden to do transoral robotic surgery and a neck resection and he said I would be home in a couple of days. If the second guy confirms what the first says, go with him.

    This is too important not to check out you options, including no surgery. A lawyer friend of mine did medical malpractice and her advice was the same - get a second opinion at a top center.
  • sweetblood22
    sweetblood22 Member Posts: 3,228
    sdecosse said:

    It is very hard to believe,
    It is very hard to believe, never smoked a day in my life and rarely drank alcohol.

    The "jaw breaking surgery" does scare me, but my doctor said since its done at surgery, and my young age that it would heal rather quick. To be honest reading on this site, radiation and chemo scare me more than the surgery.

    Just anxiously waiting for my surgery date and enjoying every normal meal i can eat.


    thanks again

    You are so young! Hope
    You are so young! Hope that your treatments go well. Yes. Eat and enjoy now.

    Wishing you well,

    Sweet
  • Misty2011
    Misty2011 Member Posts: 15
    sdecosse said:

    It is very hard to believe,
    It is very hard to believe, never smoked a day in my life and rarely drank alcohol.

    The "jaw breaking surgery" does scare me, but my doctor said since its done at surgery, and my young age that it would heal rather quick. To be honest reading on this site, radiation and chemo scare me more than the surgery.

    Just anxiously waiting for my surgery date and enjoying every normal meal i can eat.


    thanks again

    25, so very young... God
    25, so very young... God bless you during your surgery and during your recovery. Hope the surgery kicks cancers @ss!
  • connieprice1
    connieprice1 Member Posts: 300 Member
    Are you HPV positive?
    Stefan, I am surprised that they are suggesting surgery. My wife was diagnosed with base of tongue cancer with 2 lymph nodes involved.(T4N2M0) Her lymph nodes were the size of walnuts and our doctor suggested chemotherapy followed by radiation. She was also diagnosed as HPV+ which has a much better prognosis than tobacco related oral cancer. Connie had a dramatic response to chemotherapy and her tumors shrunk immediately after her 1st treatment. Her neck returned to normal size 4 days after that 1st treatment. Connie's chemotherapy oncologist ordered a cat scan after chemo and the tumors were no longer detected at that time. Although she had a great response she is also doing radiation treatments to insure their are no more cancer cells lingering around. Now chemotherapy and radiation are to say the least a little rough but in some ways not as rough as trying to learn to talk again after having 30% of your tongue removed. The jaw bone will heal but it could take a long time with a speech therapist before you are able to pronounce your words clearly again if ever. Odds are you will be doing chemotherapy either way. Connie and I both wanted her surgeon to do surgery in the beginning but now we are so glad she didn't. She told us chemo 1st, radiation 2nd and if their was anything left after that, then surgery. Stefan everyone is different, their are NO sure things with cancer, just make sure that you explore every option and don't be afraid to ask questions about your treatment and life after treatment. You should try to get care from a cancer treatment center that specializes in cancer. I am not trying to scare you but you are about to make decisions that could effect the rest of your life. Seek advice from professionals in the cancer field then YOU decide what is best for you.
    Your friends, Homer & Connie Price
  • Rick2924
    Rick2924 Member Posts: 23
    TORS
    Check out Dr. Weinstein at the University of Pennsylvania TORS program. They use the Davinci robot which can eliminate the need to break your jaw as well as the need to remove as much of your tongue. Other places do TORS as well. It's worth a look.
    Rick
  • soccerfreaks
    soccerfreaks Member Posts: 2,788 Member
    Consequences
    Hi, Stefan. A friend of mine named Tina asked that I take a look at this post of yours and give my own views.

    It happens that I was in a similar boat back in June of 2005. I went to my doctor, not with an earache, but with a sore throat. He prescribed some antibiotics and I did them. They did not work. I went back. More, and stronger, antibiotics. You are apparently familiar with the process. It was not until the very end of August of that year that I called my doctor with the news that I could not eat, that I had a bump on my tongue so painful that it prohibited me from eating properly.

    He urged me to come in immediately to his office and then advised me to head straight to ER at the local hospital. The rest, as they say, is history.

    I frankly do not understand why others are questioning the need for surgery or urging you to get a second opinion. Some head/neck cancer survivors, to be sure, manage to do well without surgery. There are many on this very board who can testify to that. But some of us are very thankful that we had our surgery, that the surgery was then followed by chemotherapy and radiation, and that, five years or more later, we are all clear of the disease.

    It is important, of course, that you trust your doctors. It is important that you take everything you read on the internet (including this very response) with a grain of salt. It is important that you gain as much knowledge about your disease and its consequences as you can, mainly through the doctors you trust (and if you do not trust them, get new ones). It is important that you understand the short term and long term consequences of whatever treatment you opt for -- and yes, you do have personal options. It is important that you realize that the consequences of your decisions now will likely affect not just the quality of your future of life but also, perhaps, its longevity.

    It is a frightening time, I know, and you have to make some decisions that are frightening in their proportions, I know.

    Know this, Stefan: some of us actually need surgery. Our doctors are not stupid. Our doctors are not out to rip us off but rather to save us.

    Know this, Stefan: I was diagnosed with stage 3B squamous cell carcinoma, ultimately, at the end of August, 2005. I went through a 15-hour surgery (my docs were clever and I think used me as an experiment to be honest), four days of induced coma, seven weeks of daily radiation treatment to the head/neck area, and occasional chemotherapy (cisplatin, in my case).

    I am all clear today, Stefan. I met ENT Man last month for the last time, all clear of head/neck cancer. All clear.

    In my case, the reason for the long surgery was that they replaced a good portion of my tongue with meat and nerves from my left arm. The nerve transplant was what took so long, as I understand it. That is not likely to be part of your scenario.

    In my case, the four days of induced coma was probably a requirement to let all of that heal without me flapping my notoriously busy mouth :). I also had a radical neck dissection, by the way, because there was some activity in the lymph nodes there, too, so that might have been part of it. In any event, even among surgery survivors here, I have yet to hear of anyone going to the extremes my docs did with me.

    But I love those guys.

    I am all clear.

    There is fear, of course, Stefan. There is doubt. There is perhaps depression, anxiety, all of the normal reactions to being told you are going to die (which is probably what it sounded like to you). It is natural, Stefan.

    There is no guarantee, of course, that by following your doctors' advice and going for the surgery, you will be cancer-free in five years. And since I am not a doctor and don't even play one on TV, I can't compute your odds, with or without the surgery. I can only tell you what I have explained above, that it worked for me.

    I can only tell that among the people in the head/neck cancer community that I know who have lived longest, and this is just me, almost all opted for surgery and follow-on 'slay the strays' treatment, chemo and/or radiation therapy.

    IF you opt for the surgery, don't get me wrong, the road back will be a tough one. Those who deal with it through chemo and/or rads are much quicker to come back to eating regularly, for example. I had a PEG tube for four years, Stefan, and probably should have kept it longer.

    Learning to eat again has been a process, sometimes a frustrating experience not just for myself but for my entire family. Had I opted "just" for chemo/rads, I am fairly certain this process would not have taken so long, just based on reading the stories of others in this board.

    In the final analysis, Stefan, and maybe this is just me, surgeries are not so painful. You typically sleep through them while your loved ones suffer, wondering about how you are doing. With proper pain management, good support from your loved ones, and the will to make it through it, you can survive surgery and any subsequent treatments and move on with your life successfully.

    Regardless of the road you take, by the way, it is fairly certain that you will be living a 'new normal' as people on this site like to say.

    None of us can tell you what you to do (although your doctors are probably likely candidates for the best advice). Why my friend Tina asked me to talk to you I am not sure except that I have been where you are at and chose surgery and all that came with it and am glad that I did so.

    Whatever you decide, know that all who have responded mean you the very best, and all of us fervently hope that you beat the disease and are able, five years from now, to give advice of your own to who will sadly be the newest members of the club.

    Hope and Humor!

    Take care,

    Joe