Colon cancer stage IV

Kazenmax

8colon8 said:

Thank you Joan,

Thank you Joan,

Guess the oncoligist was afraid of the ecoli etc from uncooked food. We were told that drinking alkaline water would help, and the oncologist was totally against it. He even told us of a person who died from drinking alkaline water while receiving chemo treatment.  Yeah, he is quite something, though everyone said that he is an excellent oncologist on staff.

Her body is responding positively to the treatment as every test result has shown, it's her head and heart thats having difficulity absorbing this turn of event in her life. Thanl you.

 

Just wanted to say that my

Just wanted to say that my oncologist has no bedside manner either. He’s rather somber and it’s like pulling teeth to get info from him. My visits are brief and he sometimes seems annoyed with my questions. i was tempted to go to a different doctor. But my husband thought that an oncologist is really a blood doctor. It’s not like a family practitioner who treats the whole body. These doctors are more into the science of solving the problem of cancer. When I complained of side effects, the doctor reminded me that they were temporary. LOL. No empathy, just the facts.

I will be honest. I am easily influenced and if a doctor said oh yea... we can reduce side effects by reducing the dose, I’m ready to do it. So I need a strong doctor who is committed to getting rid of the disease. And so far so good.

i must admit at every visit I look for someway to make the man smile. I believe I’m starting  to grow on him. LOL

Good luck to you and your wife. She’s very lucky to have your support and love. some Times it’s very hard to see the positive when you feel so bad. I hope things improve for you both.

k

JanJan63

Carrot juice?

I hope your wife will be just fine. Carrot juice? Not sure about that one. I have an illeostomy so I have to be very careful with fruit and veggies. Everything must be soft and I have to eat very carefully or I'll get a blockage, which I've been in the hospital for a few times and seem to have finally figured out what not to eat.

Carrot juice would probably be good for her nutritionally but I can't see it preventing cancer. Really, what does? Being healthy is a help, it gets us through stuff easier. And recover faster. 

I drink a few thaings that are beneficial to my health but I don't count on any to actually help with the cancer. I drink V-8s, clamato juice, and when I want fruit that I can't just eat I put it in a smoothie. Strawberries, blueberries, peaches, mandarin orange slices, things like that. You mentioned being Chinese so I assume dairy is out? But you can make a smoothie with the fruit and some chopped up ice. Bananas are good, too, but can overpower the flavour.

For veggies I can't have anything raw so salad is out unless it's a couple of forkfuls. Veggies have to be cooked and cooked well. I have a mouthful of cooked veggies and then a mouthful of something that goes down well. If I eat a lot of veggies at once it can get blocked up. I love cooked spinach and spaghetti squash but both blocked me when I ate nothing but them. Oops. I like green beans, yellow beans, potatoes never bother me, but veggies that can't be cooked until soft are a no for me. I can eat them mixed with something if I'm careful. I stopped eating corn because it put me in the hospital. Basically I have to not eat anything that has a skin on it because it does not digest. I can have chili because the beans are very broken down but could not eat a meal of regular beans. Peas are an option but I have to chew them carefully.

I hope this is helpful! My way of eating has completely changed. I eat a lot of soup. I eat peaches from a can because they're softer. I can't eat oranges or grapefruits unless I cut them in half and scoop the meat out. The membranes have also put me in the hospital.

It's hard to have to think about every thing we eat. I make sure I chew efficiently but I've been eating a certain way for 50 years before this and I forget sometimes. I follow the low residue diet and also the diet for short bowel syndrome because after two surgeries I have that. Maybe look up the low residue diet. It really just tells you what to avoid.

Your poor wife, it's hard to change what you're used to. But it can be done!

Jan  

Butt

Jan Jan is back!!!!!!!!

Hoooooray!

Butt

Carrot juice will not prevent cancer or cure it. The same way as beet or celery one. It is a part of good nutrition. Only cooked foods with cancer is BS. The patient may need temporary go for only cooked foods when in a high risk of infections based on a blood work. The immune system in young, overall healthy patients usually bounces back on its own and goes in cycles during the treatments. I refer to cancer patients. I hope it clarifies. I hope it clarifies. Butt.

JanJan63

Butt said:

Jan Jan is back!!!!!!!!

Hoooooray!

Aw, thanks Butt!
Jan

Aw, thanks Butt!

Jan

8colon8

Kazenmax said:

Just wanted to say that my

Just wanted to say that my oncologist has no bedside manner either. He’s rather somber and it’s like pulling teeth to get info from him. My visits are brief and he sometimes seems annoyed with my questions. i was tempted to go to a different doctor. But my husband thought that an oncologist is really a blood doctor. It’s not like a family practitioner who treats the whole body. These doctors are more into the science of solving the problem of cancer. When I complained of side effects, the doctor reminded me that they were temporary. LOL. No empathy, just the facts.

I will be honest. I am easily influenced and if a doctor said oh yea... we can reduce side effects by reducing the dose, I’m ready to do it. So I need a strong doctor who is committed to getting rid of the disease. And so far so good.

i must admit at every visit I look for someway to make the man smile. I believe I’m starting  to grow on him. LOL

Good luck to you and your wife. She’s very lucky to have your support and love. some Times it’s very hard to see the positive when you feel so bad. I hope things improve for you both.

k

Hi Kazenmax, thanks for

Hi Kazenmax, thanks for sharing. Yes he would only look at my wife when addressing our concern. If I ask for clarification, his body language is like why are you asking me to repeat what was already mentioned. They are very compartmentalized. Not cancer related, not my problem. Thank you.

 

8colon8

JanJan63 said:

Carrot juice?

I hope your wife will be just fine. Carrot juice? Not sure about that one. I have an illeostomy so I have to be very careful with fruit and veggies. Everything must be soft and I have to eat very carefully or I'll get a blockage, which I've been in the hospital for a few times and seem to have finally figured out what not to eat.

Carrot juice would probably be good for her nutritionally but I can't see it preventing cancer. Really, what does? Being healthy is a help, it gets us through stuff easier. And recover faster. 

I drink a few thaings that are beneficial to my health but I don't count on any to actually help with the cancer. I drink V-8s, clamato juice, and when I want fruit that I can't just eat I put it in a smoothie. Strawberries, blueberries, peaches, mandarin orange slices, things like that. You mentioned being Chinese so I assume dairy is out? But you can make a smoothie with the fruit and some chopped up ice. Bananas are good, too, but can overpower the flavour.

For veggies I can't have anything raw so salad is out unless it's a couple of forkfuls. Veggies have to be cooked and cooked well. I have a mouthful of cooked veggies and then a mouthful of something that goes down well. If I eat a lot of veggies at once it can get blocked up. I love cooked spinach and spaghetti squash but both blocked me when I ate nothing but them. Oops. I like green beans, yellow beans, potatoes never bother me, but veggies that can't be cooked until soft are a no for me. I can eat them mixed with something if I'm careful. I stopped eating corn because it put me in the hospital. Basically I have to not eat anything that has a skin on it because it does not digest. I can have chili because the beans are very broken down but could not eat a meal of regular beans. Peas are an option but I have to chew them carefully.

I hope this is helpful! My way of eating has completely changed. I eat a lot of soup. I eat peaches from a can because they're softer. I can't eat oranges or grapefruits unless I cut them in half and scoop the meat out. The membranes have also put me in the hospital.

It's hard to have to think about every thing we eat. I make sure I chew efficiently but I've been eating a certain way for 50 years before this and I forget sometimes. I follow the low residue diet and also the diet for short bowel syndrome because after two surgeries I have that. Maybe look up the low residue diet. It really just tells you what to avoid.

Your poor wife, it's hard to change what you're used to. But it can be done!

Jan  

Hi Jan, Thank you for your

Hi Jan, Thank you for your input on my thread especially when you have your struggle and was away from what I gather.  Yes, the whole eating regimen thing is taking a toll on her as well as on me. She does all the cooking before cancer and that is a tough act to pick up from. With her taste and smell being messed up. It is tough. It's hard to see her struggle every meal time, getting the food down because it doesn't taste or smell the same. She forced herself to eat because she knows that she had to maintain her weight for the chemo treatment. We are looking at changing to plant based diet. That is a whole new challenge in itself.

Anyway thanks again.

8colon8

Butt said:

Carrot juice will not prevent cancer or cure it. The same way as beet or celery one. It is a part of good nutrition. Only cooked foods with cancer is BS. The patient may need temporary go for only cooked foods when in a high risk of infections based on a blood work. The immune system in young, overall healthy patients usually bounces back on its own and goes in cycles during the treatments. I refer to cancer patients. I hope it clarifies. I hope it clarifies. Butt.

Hi Butt, thanks. We just

Hi Butt, thanks. We just wanted some feedback cos some friends claimed and articles also mentioned about carrot juice.  Guess a balance diet it is and avoid food that could feed the cancer cell.  

8colon8

Diane_K said:

Great news about your wife

Great news about your wife finishing chemo! 

I am a stage 4 colon cancer survivor which had metastasized to my liver and both my lungs.  They were able to surgically remove the tumors and I am now a little over two years NED.  I have scans scheduled for next month and am getting nervous but hoping for the best.  I'm following a life style plan by a MD who has been practicing integrated medicine for over 20 years, specifically for cancer patients.  He has a book called Life Over Cancer, by Dr. Keith Block.  In his book he outlines food, supplements, exercise, stress reduction in a very clear and concise way.  He believes that chemo and surgery are important in battling cancer but these other healthy choices can also help our bodies fight cancer and endure the surgeries and chemo. I juice cruciferous vegtables, green leafy vegetables and a small amount of carrots daily.   

Best wishes to you and your wife.

Hi Diane, we got the book

Hi Diane, we got the book that you suggested by Dr. Keith Block. It is very interesting and informative. Thank you so much for referring it to us.  She is infact reading it and taking notes and I had to get her a hard copy because she did not like the kindle version. It is becoming our reference source going forward in putting together a plan. We know we had to do things differently but have no idea where to start. Thank you again. 

Diane_K

I'm glad you're finding the

I'm glad you're finding the book helpful.  There is so much information out there, it becomes difficult to know where to begin.  I hope your wife begins to feel like she can have some control over her illness.

Butt

I am not sure on foods that feed cancer cells. No sugar doesn’t feed cancer. There are too many people with some ideas that they grab from the internet. There also another thing on a celery juice. Those advises drive me nuts. There are so many poor people who dedicate there world too some herbal supplements i am referring to stage 4 cancer. Some other bazaar techniques. They usually realize that it is all  BS when they are on a death bed. It also sends a very wrong message to peopl who love them. There is no lack of ideas from well wishers . Some people are very much into this stuff. I mean good nutrition helps if she can do it but It is not a cure for cancer. 

8colon8

Thank Butt, you are right,

Thank Butt, you are right, there are plenty of well intentioned people who offer what they are exposed to about cancer care.  Just like the chemotherapy, everyone reacts differently to same med.  That is why I am glad to have this board to bounce off the soundness of methods or ideas suggested from well wishers. And yes some of those supplements are not cheap.

 

SandiaBuddy

Butt said:

I am not sure on foods that feed cancer cells. No sugar doesn’t feed cancer. There are too many people with some ideas that they grab from the internet. There also another thing on a celery juice. Those advises drive me nuts. There are so many poor people who dedicate there world too some herbal supplements i am referring to stage 4 cancer. Some other bazaar techniques. They usually realize that it is all  BS when they are on a death bed. It also sends a very wrong message to peopl who love them. There is no lack of ideas from well wishers . Some people are very much into this stuff. I mean good nutrition helps if she can do it but It is not a cure for cancer. 

Different approaches

Butt, I think there is room for lots of different approaches.  If drinking carrot juice or celery juice makes someone feel better, what is the harm?  The placebo effect can be very powerful.  Plus, there is some evidence that various supplements and complementary techniques can be helpful, even if those matters were not covered in your medical school education.  Sometimes it is frustrating when doctors proclaim they know everything with certainty. Personally, I like the feeling that I am doing everything within my control to optimize my chances.

Diane_K

You mentioned that you are

You mentioned that you are leaning towards a plant based diet.  Here are two cookbooks that I use and like:

Quick-fix Vegan by Robin Robertson

Vegan Under Pressure by Jill Nussinow.  This is a pressure cooker cookbook.

There's a documentary called Forks Over Knives that you might find interesting.  It talks about studies showing the health benefits of eating plant based whole foods and avoiding processed foods.

Best wishes.

 

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