Diet and Cancer

Steve.Adam

APny said:

While I was always health

While I was always health conscious and watched what I ate I do agree with rdoyd2. Our diet didn't cause this and it won't cause it to return or, unfortunately, prevent it. I met not one of the risks for kidney cancer yet still got it. No one in my family on either side ever had any type of cancer. Yet here I am. I think being conscious of what we eat is a good thing. I'm not saying we should eat fried foods and fast food burgers 24/7. But I tend to believe that it's the illusion of control what attracts us to try to avoid or seek out certain foods.

There is more to it

Hi Apny,

The only link I know of between diet and cancer is that obesity is associated with higher cancer rates. Maybe that is because something that causes obesity causes cancer.

But I don't think diet causes cancer. I think diet can cause a cancer friendly environment in the body. Then when the real cause of cancer strikes our bodies have less defence against it.

Steve.

 

Steve.Adam

Mighty Frog said:

Too Much of Carbs & Bad fats might be the cause

When i ask how i got this.....? I look back on what i have been putting into my mouth everyday for the last few years. I realised i been eating too much of carbs foods and bad fats ( from the red meat). Too much high carbs and bad fats cause overload of bad nutritions in our body and in the long run.... this happen. Well, this is how i look in my case. 

Now like Steve.Adam recommended go on low carbs food might be the answer.... cutting all the processing fine sugar foods, sugars, pastries and others high GI foods.... and bad fats. But going full on Ketogenic Diet, I might find it a problem for us, especially Ketogenic Diet high on protein which is a problem for our kidneys. 

Icemantoo, is the living proof, he took 3 years to reach to his healthy weight....... 15 years NED.  So getting a healthy weight with good diet is very important.... this is how i look at it...... Low Carbs, moderate protein and good fats...... Currently i'm going on intermmittent fasting (16/8, Leangains) +low carbs diet.....  As having intermmittment fasting is like mild Ketogenic diet effect and a control protein intake.... Hope and wish i on the right track or i might die slowing..... (hahahaha). 

And of course others important factors including ample of water daily and actively exercise.... 

But do aware low carbs diet do has it cons too.... 

This is a study on the effect of low Carbs on cancer.  

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267662/

Intermittent Fasting

I think intermittent fasting is very healthy.

Steve.

APny

Steve.Adam said:

There is more to it

Hi Apny,

The only link I know of between diet and cancer is that obesity is associated with higher cancer rates. Maybe that is because something that causes obesity causes cancer.

But I don't think diet causes cancer. I think diet can cause a cancer friendly environment in the body. Then when the real cause of cancer strikes our bodies have less defence against it.

Steve.

 

You're right; certain foods

You're right; certain foods do get implicated in cancer, like lots of red meat and colon cancer. Ditto for lots of smoked/processed meats.

kiwi68

Steve.Adam said:

The good fats

The good fats are olive oil, coconut oil, palm oil (I think) and animal fat. Butter, lard etc.

Avoid the seed oils!!!

Steve.

Olive Oil

I have 200 Olive trees, grown on the pristine slopes of Waiheke Island - just off the NZ coast in the Hauraki Gulf.  Next harvest March.  Any CSN Kidney cancer guys want some  extra virgin olive oil it's my treat.  I am not an Olive farmer, it was a tax write off/hobby for the previous owner, I have just inherited 20 years of his hard work when I bought the house. Not a tax write off or a hobby.  Olive oil degrades pretty fast which is way it is packed in dark green bottles.   I would offer you some of last years harvest but supposedly it won't have all the 'great' antioxdant properties and might not taste quite as peppery and fresh. 

Steve.Adam

kiwi68 said:

Olive Oil

I have 200 Olive trees, grown on the pristine slopes of Waiheke Island - just off the NZ coast in the Hauraki Gulf.  Next harvest March.  Any CSN Kidney cancer guys want some  extra virgin olive oil it's my treat.  I am not an Olive farmer, it was a tax write off/hobby for the previous owner, I have just inherited 20 years of his hard work when I bought the house. Not a tax write off or a hobby.  Olive oil degrades pretty fast which is way it is packed in dark green bottles.   I would offer you some of last years harvest but supposedly it won't have all the 'great' antioxdant properties and might not taste quite as peppery and fresh. 

A beautiful thought

That is a lovely offer. i am imagining bottles of oil flying around the world. 

Actually I would like to try some one day.

I've never visited NZ but some day I will get over there. I live just south west of Brisbane, so not too far to go.

Steve.

kiwi68

Steve.Adam said:

A beautiful thought

That is a lovely offer. i am imagining bottles of oil flying around the world. 

Actually I would like to try some one day.

I've never visited NZ but some day I will get over there. I live just south west of Brisbane, so not too far to go.

Steve.

Well come on over!

When and if you do ever make it over do let me know, we have rural, city and beach properties and I am quite the dab hand at putting together some tour itineraries.   This year I am going to have a go at preserving olives, a month of soaking and salting and changing water - you can make them in a few days with lye, and most commercial ones are made that way, but I think I will try the natural way.   Hopefully I don't brew up a festering vat of bacteria.   Husband shot his first rabbit last night (well first since he was a boy) I am working out if I can find a use for them.  To be perfectly honest, I didn't think he would actually shot any, but they are pretty bloody tame and there are a lot of them at the moment.  Waiting for the re release of the 2nd Calesi Virus.  If it is worth it?  I am not out where he is now, so hopefully that bunny isn't waiting for me this weekend.   Collecting mussels and oysters is more my speed, though I am thinking to have a go in our bay at scallop harvesting. 

Steve.Adam

kiwi68 said:

Well come on over!

When and if you do ever make it over do let me know, we have rural, city and beach properties and I am quite the dab hand at putting together some tour itineraries.   This year I am going to have a go at preserving olives, a month of soaking and salting and changing water - you can make them in a few days with lye, and most commercial ones are made that way, but I think I will try the natural way.   Hopefully I don't brew up a festering vat of bacteria.   Husband shot his first rabbit last night (well first since he was a boy) I am working out if I can find a use for them.  To be perfectly honest, I didn't think he would actually shot any, but they are pretty bloody tame and there are a lot of them at the moment.  Waiting for the re release of the 2nd Calesi Virus.  If it is worth it?  I am not out where he is now, so hopefully that bunny isn't waiting for me this weekend.   Collecting mussels and oysters is more my speed, though I am thinking to have a go in our bay at scallop harvesting. 

One day, one day...

But it won't be soon. I am significantly under resourced. How's that for a euphemism.

I know an old guy who ate rabbit when he was young. I'll ask him how it was prepared. I think it also involves soaking...

It sounds like you are living in paradise. (Maybe not if you are a rabbit.)

Steve.