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  • Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3
    Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3 Member Posts: 3,819 Member
    #22
    Old-timer said:

    I'm reconsidering shingles shots

    Even though I am reasonably certain that I have not had chicken pox, I will take another look into whether I should get the shingles vaccination. Eight years ago, my primary care doc advised against it (I think). I may have misunderstood him or forgot what he said. I have a different PC doc now (a woman).

    I am overwhelmed by all the thought-provoking information provided by you folks.

    Vasco, continued good luck. And may you win the chess matches.

    Old-timer (Jerry)

    Swings like a playground

    Old-timer,

    I have heard of some docs recommending against the shingles vaccine years ago also, mostly for leukemia and lymphoma patients. The doctors at my cancer clinic are affiliated with US Oncology (1,000 oncologists nationwide), and I believe (not totally certain) that their protocol is to recommend the vaccine for most oncology patients now.

    MAYO Clinic statement on the vaccine:

    http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/shingles/expert-answers/shingles-vaccine/faq-20057859

    max

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  • Swingshiftworker
    Swingshiftworker Member Posts: 1,017 Member
    #23
    Terry Bradshaw on Shingles

    For those of you who haven't seen it yet, here's a public health announcment filmed by Terry Bradshaw (the 4x SuperBowl winning HOF QB w/the Steelers) on getting a shingles vaccination:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSI2AZQmEsU

    Planning on getting mine today.

  • VascodaGama
    VascodaGama Member Posts: 3,707 Member
    #24
    Swingshiftworker said:

    Terry Bradshaw on Shingles

    For those of you who haven't seen it yet, here's a public health announcment filmed by Terry Bradshaw (the 4x SuperBowl winning HOF QB w/the Steelers) on getting a shingles vaccination:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSI2AZQmEsU

    Planning on getting mine today.

    Getting serious

    Swing SW

    You are right. This is painful and very incomoditive. The scars are gone but the neuropathy is there and does not allow me to rest or concentrate. The flight to Tokyo was terrible and I may postpone my return to Lisbon till I get better. I know how does a Japanese Christmas look like. Hell to shingles.

    The video (s) you provided are the real thing. I am hopeful for a quick "end of the story".

    VG 

  • Swingshiftworker
    Swingshiftworker Member Posts: 1,017 Member
    #25
    Swingshiftworker said:

    Terry Bradshaw on Shingles

    For those of you who haven't seen it yet, here's a public health announcment filmed by Terry Bradshaw (the 4x SuperBowl winning HOF QB w/the Steelers) on getting a shingles vaccination:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSI2AZQmEsU

    Planning on getting mine today.

    Got My Shot!

    Well, got my shingles shot today -- less than an hour ago.

    The shot is subcutaneous (like a TB test shot) and it still feels a bit uncomfortable.  It cost $225 including tax, which is fully reimburseable by my health carrier. Don't know why they just don't pay for it, rather than require me to request reimbursement.  PITA but it doesn't matter as long as I get the money back.

    The flyer they gave me at the pharmacy, where I got the shot, says that the shot only reduces the probablity of getting shingles by 50% and reduces the felt pain if you get shingles anyway.  Guess that's better than nothing.

    Anyway, got my flu shot and my shingles shot.  So, all done w/shots for this year.

     

  • rooster6
    rooster6 Member Posts: 9
    #26
    Swingshiftworker said:

    Got My Shot!

    Well, got my shingles shot today -- less than an hour ago.

    The shot is subcutaneous (like a TB test shot) and it still feels a bit uncomfortable.  It cost $225 including tax, which is fully reimburseable by my health carrier. Don't know why they just don't pay for it, rather than require me to request reimbursement.  PITA but it doesn't matter as long as I get the money back.

    The flyer they gave me at the pharmacy, where I got the shot, says that the shot only reduces the probablity of getting shingles by 50% and reduces the felt pain if you get shingles anyway.  Guess that's better than nothing.

    Anyway, got my flu shot and my shingles shot.  So, all done w/shots for this year.

     

    shingles

    My Dad had shingles when he lived with us .  He would scratch till they bled.  Hubby and I both got the vaccine even tho we had to shell out 360$ for 2 .  Tried talking BIL to get the shot his insurance would help some.  Even emotional trama can bring the shingles on.  A neighbor lady suffering from pancrestic cancer got the shingles and they still gave her the shot to lessen the pain.

  • blackthorne
    blackthorne Member Posts: 2
    #27
    one than once?

    Vasco, can you get shingles more than once?

  • Old Salt
    Old Salt Member Posts: 1,530 Member
    #28
    blackthorne said:

    one than once?

    Vasco, can you get shingles more than once?

    I am not Vasco

    but the answer to your question is yes; one can get shingles a second time.

    It's probably not that common. Nevertheless, vaccination is recommended by authorities.

  • VascodaGama
    VascodaGama Member Posts: 3,707 Member
    #29
    Old Salt said:

    I am not Vasco

    but the answer to your question is yes; one can get shingles a second time.

    It's probably not that common. Nevertheless, vaccination is recommended by authorities.

    Shingles proof

    Old Salt

    Thanks for the reply. I wasn't sure if I became shingles proof. I wonder if vaccination is still valid for someone that had it.

    The situation is now better with just some scars but I still got neuropathy. In the evening in particular, I became very sensitive to the cold. The symptoms are like a tied belt around my upper abdomen just at armpits level.

    Best

    VG

  • hopeful and optimistic
    hopeful and optimistic Member Posts: 2,346 Member
    #30
    VascodaGama said:

    Shingles proof

    Old Salt

    Thanks for the reply. I wasn't sure if I became shingles proof. I wonder if vaccination is still valid for someone that had it.

    The situation is now better with just some scars but I still got neuropathy. In the evening in particular, I became very sensitive to the cold. The symptoms are like a tied belt around my upper abdomen just at armpits level.

    Best

    VG

    One who has had shingles can get the vaccine

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/shingles/vacc-need-know.htm

  • Builder23
    Builder23 Member Posts: 29
    #31
    vascoda

    So sorry to hear about the shingles I have friends that have them and know first hand how debilitating it can be.

    Just wanted to let you know my thoughts and prayers for a full recovery be with you soon.

     

    Builder23

  • Old-timer
    Old-timer Member Posts: 196
    #32
    Shingles shots no, pneumonia shots yes

    Conferred with my primary care doctor today. She said shingles shots are not recommended for persons over 80 (I am 88). She told me that Medicare announced three days ago that they are now covering pneumonia shots. I accepted her recommendation to take that one.

    Hope I made the correct decisions. I am comfortable with them.

    Old-timer

  • Swingshiftworker
    Swingshiftworker Member Posts: 1,017 Member
    #33
    Old-timer said:

    Shingles shots no, pneumonia shots yes

    Conferred with my primary care doctor today. She said shingles shots are not recommended for persons over 80 (I am 88). She told me that Medicare announced three days ago that they are now covering pneumonia shots. I accepted her recommendation to take that one.

    Hope I made the correct decisions. I am comfortable with them.

    Old-timer

    Why Pneumonia Vaccine but not Shingles at 80+?

    That's interesting.

    FWIW, the pharmaceutical companies seem to be really pimping both shingles and pneumonia vaccines on TV big time.  While there is apparently a legitimate reason to promote the shingles vaccine, I'm wondering why there's NOW such a push for pneumonia vaccinations too.

    While I don't recall a specific shingles vaccine recommended -- usually it's just a PSA (public service announcement -- I've seen lots of Prevar13 (Pfizer) pneumonia vaccine commercials on my cable channels, which (if it costs as much as the shingles vaccination does) means a lot of $ to Pfizer.

    The question is -- Is there really sufficiently a HIGH RISK of getting pneumonia to require the "blanket" vaccination of everyone over 50 (the eligible age) for it?  I think not. 

    Of course, there may be people who are at risk for pnemonia for certain reasons.  I've not nothing against vaccinating peope for it on a case by base basis.  It's the claim that anyone over 50 is "at risk" for getting pneumonia and should be vaccinated against it. 

    According to Prevnar's site, about 300k adults over 50 contracted pneumonia in 2004 and had to be hospitalized.  Assuming this # has been constant over the past 6 years, it represents only 1/10 of 1% of the US population  (over 300 million) and about 1/4 of 1% of the population of people over 55 (about 77 million) based on the 2010 Census.  So, this doesn't seem like a very great risk to me statistically.

    FWIW, I've known a lot of people my life over 50 and NONE of them ever contracted pneumonia at ANY AGE -- not my mother (who's still alive a 101), my father who died at 89, my sister who's over 70, my 12 other anuts and uncles who all died of "other causes" at age 65+ and none of my over 15 so immediate 1st and 2nd cousins who are now all over 50 too.  Ironically, the only person I know who EVER had pneumonia was ME, when I was in my 20's.

    So, while getting the pneumonia vacciation probably won't hurt, I really question the real "need" for a generally policy of preventative vaccination for it.  Shingles is different because, if you get it, it really can't be treated and makes your life pretty miserable.  So, it's a good idea to get vaccinated for it, if you are at risk for it, even if the odds are fairly slim that you'll get it and that the shingles vaccination may not even prevent it.

    BUT, if you happen to get pneumoia, which is fairly rare and pretty easily diagnosed, you can just take basic antibiotics (like penicillin) to treat it.  That's how they treated me when I got it at an early age.  So, why bother vaccinating yourself for a rare event which is easily treatable?

    I don't get it and I won't get vaccinated for it, unless a doctor can explain why s/he thinks I am personally "at risk" for it and should get vaccination to prevent it.

  • VascodaGama
    VascodaGama Member Posts: 3,707 Member
    #34
    Swingshiftworker said:

    Why Pneumonia Vaccine but not Shingles at 80+?

    That's interesting.

    FWIW, the pharmaceutical companies seem to be really pimping both shingles and pneumonia vaccines on TV big time.  While there is apparently a legitimate reason to promote the shingles vaccine, I'm wondering why there's NOW such a push for pneumonia vaccinations too.

    While I don't recall a specific shingles vaccine recommended -- usually it's just a PSA (public service announcement -- I've seen lots of Prevar13 (Pfizer) pneumonia vaccine commercials on my cable channels, which (if it costs as much as the shingles vaccination does) means a lot of $ to Pfizer.

    The question is -- Is there really sufficiently a HIGH RISK of getting pneumonia to require the "blanket" vaccination of everyone over 50 (the eligible age) for it?  I think not. 

    Of course, there may be people who are at risk for pnemonia for certain reasons.  I've not nothing against vaccinating peope for it on a case by base basis.  It's the claim that anyone over 50 is "at risk" for getting pneumonia and should be vaccinated against it. 

    According to Prevnar's site, about 300k adults over 50 contracted pneumonia in 2004 and had to be hospitalized.  Assuming this # has been constant over the past 6 years, it represents only 1/10 of 1% of the US population  (over 300 million) and about 1/4 of 1% of the population of people over 55 (about 77 million) based on the 2010 Census.  So, this doesn't seem like a very great risk to me statistically.

    FWIW, I've known a lot of people my life over 50 and NONE of them ever contracted pneumonia at ANY AGE -- not my mother (who's still alive a 101), my father who died at 89, my sister who's over 70, my 12 other anuts and uncles who all died of "other causes" at age 65+ and none of my over 15 so immediate 1st and 2nd cousins who are now all over 50 too.  Ironically, the only person I know who EVER had pneumonia was ME, when I was in my 20's.

    So, while getting the pneumonia vacciation probably won't hurt, I really question the real "need" for a generally policy of preventative vaccination for it.  Shingles is different because, if you get it, it really can't be treated and makes your life pretty miserable.  So, it's a good idea to get vaccinated for it, if you are at risk for it, even if the odds are fairly slim that you'll get it and that the shingles vaccination may not even prevent it.

    BUT, if you happen to get pneumoia, which is fairly rare and pretty easily diagnosed, you can just take basic antibiotics (like penicillin) to treat it.  That's how they treated me when I got it at an early age.  So, why bother vaccinating yourself for a rare event which is easily treatable?

    I don't get it and I won't get vaccinated for it, unless a doctor can explain why s/he thinks I am personally "at risk" for it and should get vaccination to prevent it.

    Is it a "long term side effect" in PCa affairs?

    Swing;   It seems that, in some places or regions more affected by air pollution, it makes sense to get the pneumonia vaccination. Old guys are more at risk because they may be less receptive to antibiotics. Our senior Jerry, though, yet just an aged friend, not yet an old guy, could probably avoided the vaccine, but for being a long PCa patient with years in treatment it makes sense in having it. His immune system may be better prepared to sustain the pneumonia vaccine than the shingles one.

    The link provided above by Hopeful (Ira) explains everything. They advice NOT to take the Shingles vaccine if one:
     1)  Had a life-threatening or severe allergic reaction to gelatin, the antibiotic neomycin, or any other component of shingles vaccine.

    2)  Has a weakened immune system because of cancer therapy.

    Interestingly, it also comments that the vaccine is protective for a period of 5 years only. It does not suggest repeating vaccination but it tells that 51% of naive guys in a trial managed to avoid an outbreak, and it protected 67% for guys you had it (post-herpetic neuralgia).

    Well, which line should we follow? I believe my body is not well prepared for such a vaccination. The radiation therapy and then the hormonal manipulations may have had a meaning in my outbreak.

    Better safe than sorry. I would recommend to all, who have not the experience yet, to get vaccinated. Shingles could very well be considered a part of the so called “long term side effects” from PCa treatments, because of the precarious status we become from being a PCa survivor.

    I wonder about the Swing's experience with the December vaccination. Any particular to be pointed out?

    Thanks to everyone who have shared their views about Shingles.

    VG

     

  • Old-timer
    Old-timer Member Posts: 196
    #35
    VascodaGama said:

    Is it a "long term side effect" in PCa affairs?

    Swing;   It seems that, in some places or regions more affected by air pollution, it makes sense to get the pneumonia vaccination. Old guys are more at risk because they may be less receptive to antibiotics. Our senior Jerry, though, yet just an aged friend, not yet an old guy, could probably avoided the vaccine, but for being a long PCa patient with years in treatment it makes sense in having it. His immune system may be better prepared to sustain the pneumonia vaccine than the shingles one.

    The link provided above by Hopeful (Ira) explains everything. They advice NOT to take the Shingles vaccine if one:
     1)  Had a life-threatening or severe allergic reaction to gelatin, the antibiotic neomycin, or any other component of shingles vaccine.

    2)  Has a weakened immune system because of cancer therapy.

    Interestingly, it also comments that the vaccine is protective for a period of 5 years only. It does not suggest repeating vaccination but it tells that 51% of naive guys in a trial managed to avoid an outbreak, and it protected 67% for guys you had it (post-herpetic neuralgia).

    Well, which line should we follow? I believe my body is not well prepared for such a vaccination. The radiation therapy and then the hormonal manipulations may have had a meaning in my outbreak.

    Better safe than sorry. I would recommend to all, who have not the experience yet, to get vaccinated. Shingles could very well be considered a part of the so called “long term side effects” from PCa treatments, because of the precarious status we become from being a PCa survivor.

    I wonder about the Swing's experience with the December vaccination. Any particular to be pointed out?

    Thanks to everyone who have shared their views about Shingles.

    VG

     

    More explanation about Shots Decision

    In deciding whether to follow my doc's advice, I considered Shingles and Pneumonia shots issues separately. On a different doctor's advice seven years ago, I said no to Shingles vaccination. That recommendtion was partially based on the information that I had not had Chicken Pox. Right or wrong, yesterday, I reconfirmed that decision.

    Accepting the pneumonia shot was easy for me because, over the years, I have observed that many 'old" people die when they come down with pneumonia. I know about modern miracle drugs; they saved me when I had pneumonia at the age of 60. I also profess that I am not particularly afraid of dying; nevertheless, considering my age, this seems like a worthwhile insurance policy.

    Old-timer

  • hopeful and optimistic
    hopeful and optimistic Member Posts: 2,346 Member
    #36
    Old-timer said:

    More explanation about Shots Decision

    In deciding whether to follow my doc's advice, I considered Shingles and Pneumonia shots issues separately. On a different doctor's advice seven years ago, I said no to Shingles vaccination. That recommendtion was partially based on the information that I had not had Chicken Pox. Right or wrong, yesterday, I reconfirmed that decision.

    Accepting the pneumonia shot was easy for me because, over the years, I have observed that many 'old" people die when they come down with pneumonia. I know about modern miracle drugs; they saved me when I had pneumonia at the age of 60. I also profess that I am not particularly afraid of dying; nevertheless, considering my age, this seems like a worthwhile insurance policy.

    Old-timer

    information about pneumonia vaccine, including

    information pneumonia occurances and mortality for those who are over 65

     

    http://www.immunize.org/askexperts/experts_pneumococcal_vaccines.asp

  • Swingshiftworker
    Swingshiftworker Member Posts: 1,017 Member
    #37
    VascodaGama said:

    Is it a "long term side effect" in PCa affairs?

    Swing;   It seems that, in some places or regions more affected by air pollution, it makes sense to get the pneumonia vaccination. Old guys are more at risk because they may be less receptive to antibiotics. Our senior Jerry, though, yet just an aged friend, not yet an old guy, could probably avoided the vaccine, but for being a long PCa patient with years in treatment it makes sense in having it. His immune system may be better prepared to sustain the pneumonia vaccine than the shingles one.

    The link provided above by Hopeful (Ira) explains everything. They advice NOT to take the Shingles vaccine if one:
     1)  Had a life-threatening or severe allergic reaction to gelatin, the antibiotic neomycin, or any other component of shingles vaccine.

    2)  Has a weakened immune system because of cancer therapy.

    Interestingly, it also comments that the vaccine is protective for a period of 5 years only. It does not suggest repeating vaccination but it tells that 51% of naive guys in a trial managed to avoid an outbreak, and it protected 67% for guys you had it (post-herpetic neuralgia).

    Well, which line should we follow? I believe my body is not well prepared for such a vaccination. The radiation therapy and then the hormonal manipulations may have had a meaning in my outbreak.

    Better safe than sorry. I would recommend to all, who have not the experience yet, to get vaccinated. Shingles could very well be considered a part of the so called “long term side effects” from PCa treatments, because of the precarious status we become from being a PCa survivor.

    I wonder about the Swing's experience with the December vaccination. Any particular to be pointed out?

    Thanks to everyone who have shared their views about Shingles.

    VG

     

    Not Questioning Individual Choice

    I was NOT questioning Old-timer's choice to NOT take the shingles vacccination OR his decision to get the pnenumonia vacciation. Old-timer definitely falls w/in the guidelines against the shingles vaccination and, as he mentioned below, had previously contracted pneumonia late in life so was probably "at risk" for it.

    FWIW, I was just "pondering" the general question of whether it is good "policy" to suggest that people over 50 (or even 65) get "routinely" vaccinated against pneumonia.  I don't think the statistics justify such a blanket policy and that it would (as in Old-timer's case) be administered on a patient by patient basis. 

    The additional data provided for those over 65 provides further evidence of the LACK of general necessity for general policy for pneumonia vaccination.  The link Vasco provided reports that just 13 thousand people in the US over 65 contracted pneumonia in 2013.  However, the population of people in the US over 65 in 2010 was 40 million.  That means that only 3 out of 10 thousand people (or about 3 one thousandth of 1 percent of the population) over age 65 contracted the disease.  That's really a very low risk for the population of people 65 and older generally.

    As for my shingles vaccination, I did not experience any apparent side effects.  I don't know if it was just a coincidence or not BUT, about a week or so after the shot, I did experience a strange "rash-like" irritation along my left ribcage and by left tricep (where people who get shingles report that the rash often occurs) BUT there were no blisters or redness of the skin associated with this feeling, which went away w/o treatment after a couple weeks or so.

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