Hi, I'm new

janelle28

Hello to all,

I have looked around here from time to time over the past couple years. My father was diagnosed two years ago with squamous cell carcinoma on the base of his tongue (5/2012). He lived through a whole summer of rad and chemo, and he just celebrated his 60th birthday last week. What I am seeking from all of you folks is maybe some reassurance. He had a PEG placed before his treatment started and it remains. He takes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING by mouth, zero. zip...nothing. He insists on living the rest of his life like this due to a failed stretching procedure with landed him at U of M in Ann Arbor for a week. That experience alone almost killed him. He is a completely normal functioning person besides the fact that he is NPO.  Is there anyone else out there like him? Can he really live like this for 5-10 years or more? He has aged so much, he looks like he is 70 years old and he used to be so youthful looking for his age. I ask him and my mother if the doctors have given him a long term prognosis and I always get the same answer, "why would we want to know a number...his cancer is gone for now." Please anyone with encouragement or stories I would appreciate it. Not once have I talked to him since he was diagnosed that I don't think of the day we will bury him.  It is an awful curse and I try to stay positive, but I can't imagine him never eating with us like normal ever again.

Thanks in advance,

Janelle

phrannie51

Hi Janelle....and welcome

to this group of wonderful folks. 

To answer your question.....yes, there are people who live with PEG tubes for the rest of their lives....we have a few here on this forum.  I wonder......since your dad is taking no nutrution orally, if he might need better nutrition going down his tube.  At least one person here is getting real food (blended in a Vitamix) via his tube.....Also is he getting enough every day?  In reality.....if I had been given a choice of living with a tube, or not living at all.....I would have hopped on the tube wagon.  Eating is overrated.  

This treatment is no friend for those of us who have reached 60 and beyond.....it ages everybody, but once a person hits 60 it seems to accelerate the aging of our faces, that's for sure.  People used to tell me I didn't look 60....now there is no doubt about it.

I have to agree with your mom.....I don't want to hear any numbers either.....I might try to live up to them.  It is much better living happily in the day.....than checking off days that a person knows (or thinks) are numbered.....The fact is.....there will come a day when you will bury him.....but it might not be for 20 years.....don't put yourself through torture by not living and loving in this day.

p

CivilMatt

welcome

Janelle,

Welcome to the H&N forum, so sorry about the side effects from treatments your Dad has to deal with.

Your Dad can live happily, healthy and for many more years living by the PEG.  I do not know exactly what the issues are, but I do know that cancer and its aftermath can play cruel mental and physical games with you.  Sometimes it is easier to not “rock the boat”.   What do his doctors say?  Does he have viable room for improvement? Does he need to see someone with more experience?

With love, remind him that he has many more years and the time is at hand to act (he is not too old).

Matt

58 in September

wmc

Welcome to the HNC group

I never had the PEG my self, but I do know someone, and there many here as well. The man I know his throat is so narrow, 7mm after streaching the last six months, he is on the tube only [PEG] and has been for many years. I can understand your father after that bad experance that almost killed him. He is not giving up, he is thinking of you and his family as well as his self. He wants to stay alive for you all and on the tube he can. I'm 63 and having gone through what I have I can relate to him. I never had to have radiation, My lungs are too bad to survive it so I got surgery and a laryngectomy to beat mine. Please don't beat your self up on this, just talk to him and try to suport him. My life has changes so much loosing my voice and breathing through my neck, I can't smell and much more, but the most inportant thing is, I got a second chance on life to be with my wife, son and grandsons. It's worth it for me. I hope this and what you get from the others will help you to understand what he went through does age a person, and gives you peace of mind.  Were here to listen and help if we can.

Bill

jackflash22

Tube feeder

I'm a tube feeder have been for 8 months. I didn't get on with it at first as most of my time I was just sitting waiting until I had my meal quota which took ages through a pump. I then went to a syringe and leaving the plunger out I just pour my Ensure2cal in the top hold it high and let my stomach take it at the rate it copes with then keep topping up until finished. I have 2 bottles morning with a bottle of water and an anti acid soluble tablet and 2bottles for lunchtime and bottle of water and 1 bottle in the evening plus the water which takes me just over 2000 calories a day which keeps me a healthy 10 stone which is ideal for my height and age. I've been told everything I need is in the Ensure drink and I can live perfectly normal on this diet for as long as it takes. I don't do blitzed normal food as I can't taste it it doesn't make any difference to me what I survive on. I've got to the stage now I don't like anything in my mouth except to clean my teeth and gargle with water, I have an endoscopy in the coming weeks but after having two  that didn't work I'm not unduly worried if I stay on the tube. The only thing I don't like is having a long piece of tube hanging out of my stomach and having to tape it to me.

debbiejeanne

Janelle28, i don't have any

Janelle28, i don't have any more to offer but wanted to welcome you and say don't give up.  maybe one day your dad will just wake up and say, "today, I start a new".  it sounds to me like he's depressed and sometimes medicine can help with that.  can you bring that up to him?  as said by the others, there are several here who live by the tube and will for the rest of their lives but they are still living life and so can your dad.  he just needs to start.  does he have a hobby or anything he enjoys doing?  if you can get him interested in something, that will help.   unfortunately tho, the bottom line is, if he doens't want to make his life better, there is nothing anyone else can do.  praying for you, your dad and your family.  i pray your dad will find the desire to live again.

God bless you all,

dj

Jan Trinks

Welcome

Hi Janelle:

 

And a big Welcome to this forum.  You'll find the folks here to be the most caring and encouraging around!  Sorry I don't know much about long term feeding tubes.  But sounds like you've already gotten some answers from those that do.  As far as the numbers game,  I'm kinda of like you.  I would want to know something; but my husband was the one with the cancer and he lived each day he to the fullest.  Maybe you could ask your folks in terms of prognosis instead of numbers.  But like some have already said you wouldn't want to get caught up in marking days off mentally.  But I do understand to some degree why some would rather not know.  It's kinda of a catch 22 situation I guess.  And the bottom line I guess is it's better than not eating at all.  My husband just had one temporarily when he was going thru radiation but never used it and it was removed after the radiation tx were thru.  He didn't have any swallowing issues.  But just wanted to welcome you to the fold!  I joined in 2009 and my husband passed away Aug. 2010 and I still come here often to post and see how everybody's doing.  You will find we all are caring and whatever is bothering you or your feeling is important to us no matter how trivial it may seem to you.  Just to explain how I sign my posts.  I sign Jan (Basketcase) and the basketcase comes from my husband telling me to calm down and not be such a basketcase.  I did what I had to do to get thru everything but inside I was a basketcase a lot of the time!  Anyway welcome and good luck to your Dad and remember whatever the numbers are people beat the odds all the time.  God Bless!

 

Jan (Basketcase)

jim and i

Janelle, don't worry about

Janelle, don't worry about your dad having the peg tube for the rest of his life. Many people on here have had them for years. As long as he gets what he needs, he is fine. The only problem my husband had was with medicines. Some didn't come in crushab;e or liquid form. Other than that, no problems.

Debbie

 

CajunEagle

The Peg Tube Living

I was diagnoised with stage 4 left Tonsil Cancer in Feb. of 09 at the age of 61.  I had no choice (at least I thought I didn't) in getting a Peg Tube.  With the aggressive spread of my tumor up in my caratoid artery, and encroaching my spine, "they" had informed my wife (Jane Nell..btw) that I'd probably not make it all the way through treatment which ended in June of 09.  Probabilities are amazing.  Anyway, I used my Peg Tube totally, and nothing orally, until the following March (2010).....when I got fed up with it and made up my mind that I didn't want this tube sticking out of my stomach for the rest of my days, and found a wonderful, hard-headed Speech Pathlogist who worked my tail off to re-learn how to eat and swallow.  Lost 70 pounds during treatment, and at 6' 4", I'm at 185 and eating most things, then trying and loving or discarding foods that "just don't work anymore".  I'm told I look a lot less younger than I did prior to treatment.  I'm running 3.1 miles every other day....unless it's miserable out.  Into weight lifting, and TRX excercises, Daughter has me doing Pilaties twice a week and Yoga at home for Neuropathy in feet and hands....twice a week.  And all I can say is that I feel great.  So lucky that I can travel with my wife, son-in-law, and daughter to places in the Pacific and this Fall to Europe (Ireland in Sept.).  Will Cancer come back to me ??  Maybe....maybe not.  But being retired, and having the resources, strength and ability to do whatever.....sure has made me not afraid of it ever again.

Larry

janelle28

thank you

Wow, all I can say is thank you. Thanks to everyone for your responses. I came home from work today expecting maybe one person to have answerered and you all have brought tears to my eyes. I don't know why I waited two years to reach out. I  am the type of person that always needs to know why and how and when....I should tell you all a little  more about my dad, in his younger days he raced canoes, lifted weights, and was the healthiest person I knew. Non smoking, beer once in a while kind of guy.  About five years ago, he had a lump form on the side of his neck, and he refused to go to the doctor (for it or any other ailment). I continually told my mom to stop worrying and if it were cancer, it probably would have grew/spread/killed him by now (not really worrying much about it, since he WAS so healthy) But, in May of 2012 after being threatened with divorce from my mother, he finally went to the doctor, and within two weeks he was diagnosed with scc on the base of his tongue, and to this day, I am not sure what the lump in his neck is/was, my mom says it was all the same tumor, but I think she confused what the doctors told her.  So, he went through all the nasty treatment, and was at his worse in October 2012. In Feb 2013 the EENT told him his cancer was gone for now, but that he we need another PET scan in six months, which was about a year ago, and that was clear.  His EENT says if he see's him every three months then there is no need for scans/mri, etc.  He has pretty much returned to his normal life, aside from the fact that he cannot work because he spends his whole morning in the bathroom and has to feed himself every 4 hours throughout the day (2cal, i think). He goes fishing when he can, still does stuff around the house, he actually just repainted the kitchen. He is 5'9 and weighs about 139# and I worry about him loosing muscle/fat.  He drove over to my house last weekend (about 12miles) and he said his rear end was terribbly sore because there is no fat left on it, LOL. Is it true that if someone stays cancer free for five years, there chance of long term survival is much greater? Thank you all for the warm welcome. I am not sure if this post really makes any sense, but I will check back tonight.

 

Janelle

debbiejeanne

janelle28 said:

thank you

Wow, all I can say is thank you. Thanks to everyone for your responses. I came home from work today expecting maybe one person to have answerered and you all have brought tears to my eyes. I don't know why I waited two years to reach out. I  am the type of person that always needs to know why and how and when....I should tell you all a little  more about my dad, in his younger days he raced canoes, lifted weights, and was the healthiest person I knew. Non smoking, beer once in a while kind of guy.  About five years ago, he had a lump form on the side of his neck, and he refused to go to the doctor (for it or any other ailment). I continually told my mom to stop worrying and if it were cancer, it probably would have grew/spread/killed him by now (not really worrying much about it, since he WAS so healthy) But, in May of 2012 after being threatened with divorce from my mother, he finally went to the doctor, and within two weeks he was diagnosed with scc on the base of his tongue, and to this day, I am not sure what the lump in his neck is/was, my mom says it was all the same tumor, but I think she confused what the doctors told her.  So, he went through all the nasty treatment, and was at his worse in October 2012. In Feb 2013 the EENT told him his cancer was gone for now, but that he we need another PET scan in six months, which was about a year ago, and that was clear.  His EENT says if he see's him every three months then there is no need for scans/mri, etc.  He has pretty much returned to his normal life, aside from the fact that he cannot work because he spends his whole morning in the bathroom and has to feed himself every 4 hours throughout the day (2cal, i think). He goes fishing when he can, still does stuff around the house, he actually just repainted the kitchen. He is 5'9 and weighs about 139# and I worry about him loosing muscle/fat.  He drove over to my house last weekend (about 12miles) and he said his rear end was terribbly sore because there is no fat left on it, LOL. Is it true that if someone stays cancer free for five years, there chance of long term survival is much greater? Thank you all for the warm welcome. I am not sure if this post really makes any sense, but I will check back tonight.

 

Janelle

janelle28, i'm glad your dad

janelle28, i'm glad your dad was in good condition.  i'm sure that helped him thru tx.  i lost 120 lbs but have now gained 40 back and hoping i do't gain any more :0(   as for the 5 years, the docs say when we reach 5 years, we are cured.  one person on here just celebrated 5 years and his doc telling him he was CURED!  that is awsome.  so we all celebrate each year but we all really look forward to our 5 yr anniversary.  i'm glad you finally decided to post and i hope you will stick around.  we're glad to welcome you to our family.

God bless you,

dj

Hondo

janelle28 said:

thank you

Wow, all I can say is thank you. Thanks to everyone for your responses. I came home from work today expecting maybe one person to have answerered and you all have brought tears to my eyes. I don't know why I waited two years to reach out. I  am the type of person that always needs to know why and how and when....I should tell you all a little  more about my dad, in his younger days he raced canoes, lifted weights, and was the healthiest person I knew. Non smoking, beer once in a while kind of guy.  About five years ago, he had a lump form on the side of his neck, and he refused to go to the doctor (for it or any other ailment). I continually told my mom to stop worrying and if it were cancer, it probably would have grew/spread/killed him by now (not really worrying much about it, since he WAS so healthy) But, in May of 2012 after being threatened with divorce from my mother, he finally went to the doctor, and within two weeks he was diagnosed with scc on the base of his tongue, and to this day, I am not sure what the lump in his neck is/was, my mom says it was all the same tumor, but I think she confused what the doctors told her.  So, he went through all the nasty treatment, and was at his worse in October 2012. In Feb 2013 the EENT told him his cancer was gone for now, but that he we need another PET scan in six months, which was about a year ago, and that was clear.  His EENT says if he see's him every three months then there is no need for scans/mri, etc.  He has pretty much returned to his normal life, aside from the fact that he cannot work because he spends his whole morning in the bathroom and has to feed himself every 4 hours throughout the day (2cal, i think). He goes fishing when he can, still does stuff around the house, he actually just repainted the kitchen. He is 5'9 and weighs about 139# and I worry about him loosing muscle/fat.  He drove over to my house last weekend (about 12miles) and he said his rear end was terribbly sore because there is no fat left on it, LOL. Is it true that if someone stays cancer free for five years, there chance of long term survival is much greater? Thank you all for the warm welcome. I am not sure if this post really makes any sense, but I will check back tonight.

 

Janelle

Hi Janelle

I live on the PEG as I too can’t eat anything by mouth, I no longer have the ability to swallow anything not even water for fear of aspiration. I been on the PEG for a little over two years and my friend Patrick was on one for 13 years, so yes he can live on it the rest of his life if that is what he has decided to do. It’s not bad as I can eat anything anyone else can through my tube, I use a special blender to make it like juice and in it goes.

All the best to your Dad

Tim Hondo

CivilMatt

more info

Janelle,

I first noticed a lump on the left side of my neck, it turned out to be a swollen (cancer)lymph node which led to my tongue.

Sounds like he is doing pretty good, but might be  able to do better.

5 years clear is a very good sign.

Good luck, good health.

Matt

janelle28

debbiejeanne said:

janelle28, i'm glad your dad

janelle28, i'm glad your dad was in good condition.  i'm sure that helped him thru tx.  i lost 120 lbs but have now gained 40 back and hoping i do't gain any more :0(   as for the 5 years, the docs say when we reach 5 years, we are cured.  one person on here just celebrated 5 years and his doc telling him he was CURED!  that is awsome.  so we all celebrate each year but we all really look forward to our 5 yr anniversary.  i'm glad you finally decided to post and i hope you will stick around.  we're glad to welcome you to our family.

God bless you,

dj

Thank you Debbie, I like your

Thank you Debbie, I like your pooch

janelle28

Hondo said:

Hi Janelle

I live on the PEG as I too can’t eat anything by mouth, I no longer have the ability to swallow anything not even water for fear of aspiration. I been on the PEG for a little over two years and my friend Patrick was on one for 13 years, so yes he can live on it the rest of his life if that is what he has decided to do. It’s not bad as I can eat anything anyone else can through my tube, I use a special blender to make it like juice and in it goes.

All the best to your Dad

Tim Hondo

Hi Tim, it is people like you

Hi Tim, it is people like you that I am looking for. Most people that I talk to can still do liquids at least. Does it bother you? Because my dad says that he doesn't even get hungry or feel like eating...it's more of a chore than a privelege almost. I think he's finally going to let my mom blend regular food to try. I couldn't imagine eating milk like substance for two years straight.....On an unrelated note, has anyone ever told you that you kinda look like detective Mutch from the tv crime drama Law and Order SVU?

Janelle

janelle28

CivilMatt said:

more info

Janelle,

I first noticed a lump on the left side of my neck, it turned out to be a swollen (cancer)lymph node which led to my tongue.

Sounds like he is doing pretty good, but might be  able to do better.

5 years clear is a very good sign.

Good luck, good health.

Matt

Hi Matt, thank you for your

Hi Matt, thank you for your response...I guess that makes sense. My mom kept telling me that it started on his tongue, and migrated to his neck, but how does someone not notice a lump on their tongue for 2-3 years? He eventually started getting sore throats and loosing weight, etc. I think he's actually getting back to himself...I dropped my daughters off there this morning before I went to work and he had to show me some work he did in the garage yesterday, followed by how much weight he can now bench press, and how many curls he can do, haha....I was late for work

 

Have any one of you guys had a successful stretching procedure done? My dad also has the option of some radical disection and attachment of intestine to his upper gi tract so he might possibly one day be able to swallow (sorry don't know the technical term for it) has anyone heard of or had this done? He tried getting stretched May of 2013 and they tore a hole in his esophagus, he was aspirating fluid at home and developed a nasty infection which almost took him out, he was down to 119# and had a drain tube in his neck for two months. I think since that ruined his whole summer last year, when he should have been feeling better, he's ok with lifelong PEG.

Thank you all for a warm welcome, it's nice to have a dozen instant new friends

 

Janelle

Viilik70

janelle28 said:

Hi Matt, thank you for your

Hi Matt, thank you for your response...I guess that makes sense. My mom kept telling me that it started on his tongue, and migrated to his neck, but how does someone not notice a lump on their tongue for 2-3 years? He eventually started getting sore throats and loosing weight, etc. I think he's actually getting back to himself...I dropped my daughters off there this morning before I went to work and he had to show me some work he did in the garage yesterday, followed by how much weight he can now bench press, and how many curls he can do, haha....I was late for work

 

Have any one of you guys had a successful stretching procedure done? My dad also has the option of some radical disection and attachment of intestine to his upper gi tract so he might possibly one day be able to swallow (sorry don't know the technical term for it) has anyone heard of or had this done? He tried getting stretched May of 2013 and they tore a hole in his esophagus, he was aspirating fluid at home and developed a nasty infection which almost took him out, he was down to 119# and had a drain tube in his neck for two months. I think since that ruined his whole summer last year, when he should have been feeling better, he's ok with lifelong PEG.

Thank you all for a warm welcome, it's nice to have a dozen instant new friends

 

Janelle

A Friend

i had a friend who had that radical surgery with his upper gi tract from throat cancer and he did great and ended up eating about anything, but he just couldn't eat a lot. I think it was the same thing you are talking about. Any who the last time I went through treatment I had a peg for like a year and I think I was doing the 2 cal and putting at least 2,000 calories down. The dietician was trying to keep me around 1200 calories which is fine if you are not 6'4" and used to weigh 250 pounds. I would like has already been brought up make sure that he is getting enough calories and if he is exercising a ton he will need more. The one thing I liked about the tube is I could jam a couple of cans down it in five minutes and be done eating and full belly : ) I truly hope they can do something for your dad cause it is a bummer not being able to eat. I've been there and it is no fun. I will keep him in my prayers and I hope he will be with you a long time. I'm a two time cancer survivor once when I was 25 and once when I hit 39. I'm 44 now and still kicking, so I know your dad can do it! God bless! 

John J

Goyca

Hello Janelle
welcome to

Hello Janelle

welcome to H&N forum.

I'm sorry ur dad had to go through all of this!! But its really nice to see u doing research and following up on him, he must be really proud well I can't give u any advice or info since I have a different type of c. But I'm glad u r here cz lots of people will definitely know what u r talking about and share their experiences with you..

I wish ur dad the best God bless u.

Goyca.

Hondo

janelle28 said:

Hi Tim, it is people like you

Hi Tim, it is people like you that I am looking for. Most people that I talk to can still do liquids at least. Does it bother you? Because my dad says that he doesn't even get hungry or feel like eating...it's more of a chore than a privelege almost. I think he's finally going to let my mom blend regular food to try. I couldn't imagine eating milk like substance for two years straight.....On an unrelated note, has anyone ever told you that you kinda look like detective Mutch from the tv crime drama Law and Order SVU?

Janelle

Hi Janelle

My Wife and I travel sometimes other times I travel by myself. For someone on a PEG tube I can’t be confined to just be at home. I was giving 6 months to a years to live back in 2006 and made it 8 years passed that, I am still working full time as a Maintenance Manager and going out to the ships when they come dockside. I was 230lbs before C and now I am 142lbs. There is a lot that I can’t do anymore but I am not dead so I am going to fight and do all I can do, with a little help. My traveling friend is a NutriBullet, I take it with me wherever I go so I can blend anything anywhere. I have a convertor hooked up on my work truck for 110 volts for places that don’t have outlets. Let your Dad know he can be himself again. I pull out my PEG tube when my wife and I go out to eat, I am not embarrass of it a bit, people look through the side of their eyes and think I don’t see them, I find children are not afraid to come and ask what are doing. I let my grandchildren help me push the syringe in so that they can understand Papa is normal he just eats different. My one granddaughter is amazed that I can eat and talk at the same time. Only in the mind of a child and it is too bad we can’t believe like a child that everything has a possibility.  If you like you can contact me anytime or call my wife and she will tell you all about what I eat and how she makes it.   Just click on my name Hondo my e-mail is there.

 

All the best to your Dad

Tim Hondo

phrannie51

janelle28 said:

Hi Matt, thank you for your

Hi Matt, thank you for your response...I guess that makes sense. My mom kept telling me that it started on his tongue, and migrated to his neck, but how does someone not notice a lump on their tongue for 2-3 years? He eventually started getting sore throats and loosing weight, etc. I think he's actually getting back to himself...I dropped my daughters off there this morning before I went to work and he had to show me some work he did in the garage yesterday, followed by how much weight he can now bench press, and how many curls he can do, haha....I was late for work

 

Have any one of you guys had a successful stretching procedure done? My dad also has the option of some radical disection and attachment of intestine to his upper gi tract so he might possibly one day be able to swallow (sorry don't know the technical term for it) has anyone heard of or had this done? He tried getting stretched May of 2013 and they tore a hole in his esophagus, he was aspirating fluid at home and developed a nasty infection which almost took him out, he was down to 119# and had a drain tube in his neck for two months. I think since that ruined his whole summer last year, when he should have been feeling better, he's ok with lifelong PEG.

Thank you all for a warm welcome, it's nice to have a dozen instant new friends

 

Janelle

Since your dad was

a work out king in his past, I'm sure he knows about protein powder.....which can be blended into his tube feedings.  It's packed full of protein and calories to add weight and help build muscle mass. 

I think the majority of us had the lump in the neck thing happening as a first sign that something was going on....it is what sent me scurrying to the Dr. after a couple months of knowing something was off, but not being able to put a finger on it for 2 months.  Even then, the Drs. weren't very worried about it.  They just kept giving me antibiotics thinking I had an infection of some sort. 

Yes, after 5 years of clean checkups and scans, they declare us cured.  Getting past the 2 year mark, decreases the possibility of a recurrance a LOT....and your dad is just about there. 

Take advantage of Hondo's offer, and gleen all the information about tubing it he has to offer....that's what I'd do if I was looking into tube feeding for life.  He's got this part down pat .

p

janelle28

phrannie51 said:

Since your dad was

a work out king in his past, I'm sure he knows about protein powder.....which can be blended into his tube feedings.  It's packed full of protein and calories to add weight and help build muscle mass. 

I think the majority of us had the lump in the neck thing happening as a first sign that something was going on....it is what sent me scurrying to the Dr. after a couple months of knowing something was off, but not being able to put a finger on it for 2 months.  Even then, the Drs. weren't very worried about it.  They just kept giving me antibiotics thinking I had an infection of some sort. 

Yes, after 5 years of clean checkups and scans, they declare us cured.  Getting past the 2 year mark, decreases the possibility of a recurrance a LOT....and your dad is just about there. 

Take advantage of Hondo's offer, and gleen all the information about tubing it he has to offer....that's what I'd do if I was looking into tube feeding for life.  He's got this part down pat .

p

Thanks Phrannie, you, along

Thanks Phrannie, you, along with the others have opened my eyes a little...My dad actually had coffee this morning via peg tube. That is the first thing he has had in almost two years besides 2cal.  He said, "It kind of burned my stomach a little." In hindsight, I wonder if he even waited for it to cool down fist, haha. Little steps, finally. I told him about this website and he seemed very intersted to know your stories. I will try to encourage him to check it out but he's not much of a computer person.

Best wishes to you all for a wonderful weekend,

Janelle