Fill Your Days With Nuts, Olive Oil, Chocolate and Wine - NYTimes.com

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  • Swingshiftworker
    Swingshiftworker Member Posts: 1,017 Member
    #2
    It's old news but still

    It's old news but still useful.  Regular exercise of almost any kind is also beneficial.

  • hopeful and optimistic
    hopeful and optimistic Member Posts: 2,346 Member
    #3
    If You Eat the Mediterranean Way, Can You Drop Your Heart Meds?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2013/02/26/if-you-eat-the-mediterranean-way-can-you-drop-your-heart-meds/

  • Samsungtech1
    Samsungtech1 Member Posts: 351
    #4
    hopeful and optimistic said:

    If You Eat the Mediterranean Way, Can You Drop Your Heart Meds?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2013/02/26/if-you-eat-the-mediterranean-way-can-you-drop-your-heart-meds/

    Heart Meds

    Hopeful,

    Do not quit heart meds.  Because of Agent Orange I have ischemic heart disease, along with met prostate cancer.  They put a stent in my heart and told me to take cholesterol meds, plavix, and another drug.  Doc told me I was too healthy for this and he sees me once a year. Recently was about to get first colonostophy.  Had to call heart doc and ask for permission to cut out plavix because Dr. Said I had a 30 percent chance for polyp.  Heart Dr. Laughed and told me that I was on standard meds for heart disease but I did not have regular disease.  He said I could quit all the drugs.   I will keep taking drugs for the short term because of other issues.

    I would say depending on your physical shape and amount of work-outs, exercise you do that this would determine heart healthy.

    Your BP, hdl , ldl, and a good scan of heart should tell you what you need to know.

    Mike

  • hopeful and optimistic
    hopeful and optimistic Member Posts: 2,346 Member
    #5
    Samsungtech1 said:

    Heart Meds

    Hopeful,

    Do not quit heart meds.  Because of Agent Orange I have ischemic heart disease, along with met prostate cancer.  They put a stent in my heart and told me to take cholesterol meds, plavix, and another drug.  Doc told me I was too healthy for this and he sees me once a year. Recently was about to get first colonostophy.  Had to call heart doc and ask for permission to cut out plavix because Dr. Said I had a 30 percent chance for polyp.  Heart Dr. Laughed and told me that I was on standard meds for heart disease but I did not have regular disease.  He said I could quit all the drugs.   I will keep taking drugs for the short term because of other issues.

    I would say depending on your physical shape and amount of work-outs, exercise you do that this would determine heart healthy.

    Your BP, hdl , ldl, and a good scan of heart should tell you what you need to know.

    Mike

    Dr Myers, medical oncologist,. weekly post

    PCa Patients: Avoid These Foods


    I’ve been advocating a heart-healthy Mediterranean diet for my prostate cancer patients for years. Many have been confused by some of my other dietary recommendations. Here’s a question on diet that appears in our current issue of Prostate Forum (Volume 14 Number 10) that explains some of those recommendations:

    Dear Dr. Myers: Why should I avoid the following foods: red meat and pork; canola oil and vegetable oil; King mackerel, shark, and albacore tuna; flax oil or flaxseed; corn products and corn oil, and walnuts and pecans. Can you provide a brief explanation for each?

    Red meat and pork: I am concerned about red meat consumption for several reasons. First, high red meat consumption appears to harm general health. There are longevity hot spots where people live long lives in good health. Red meat consumption is absent or uncommon in every case. Conversely, nowhere on this earth are cultures characterized as having high red meat consumption among those with longevity and good health. Second, a chemical, PhIP, forms on the surface of red meat as it browns during cooking. PhIP is a cancer-causing chemical that has been linked directly to prostate cancer. In fact, after reviewing the literature, I have concluded that this is as close to proven as you can get without doing an unethical clinical trial. That trial would be to randomize men to placebo versus PhIP to see if those on PhIP developed prostate cancer. We encourage our patients to minimize red meat consumption and increase fish consumption
    King mackerel, shark and albacore tuna: My concern here relates to general health. These fish have high mercury content. In fact, it is so high that it is recommended that pregnant women avoid them to protect the fetus.
    Flax oil, walnuts and pecans: These are rich in the omega 3 fat, alpha linolenic acid or ALA. ALA intake has been linked to the development and progression of prostate cancer. To add insult to injury, a recent consensus conference concluded that fish omega 3, but not ALA, are needed for human health. In sum, ALA is an inferior omega 3 fatty acid for human nutrition and may enhance the risk of prostate cancer.
    Corn oil and vegetable oil: Humans do best on a diet with a proper balance between omega 6 and omega 3 fatty acids. In general, the ideal ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 is 1-3. Corn oil is 45. So a little corn oil or corn oil-containing foods can really destroy the balance between omega 6 and omega 3. Vegetable oil is an undefined mix of oils. It allows the vendor to pick the cheapest oils available. Corn oil is abundantly available and cheap.
    Canola oil: It is rich in ALA and omega 6 fatty acids.

  • anot8910
    anot8910 Member Posts: 3
    #6
    These chocolate and wine are

    These chocolate and wine are good for the body if it is in moderate consumption, they said that too much is not good for the health. It also lays out what people following the diet need to eat: olive oil, used in abundance on salads and cooked vegetables. Worried about gaining weight with all the oil and nuts? Never fear, the researchers say. They report that studies show people do not gain weight when they add those foods, probably because they make people feel full so they eat less of other things.

  • ob66
    ob66 Member Posts: 227 Member
    #7
    hopeful and optimistic said:

    Dr Myers, medical oncologist,. weekly post

    PCa Patients: Avoid These Foods


    I’ve been advocating a heart-healthy Mediterranean diet for my prostate cancer patients for years. Many have been confused by some of my other dietary recommendations. Here’s a question on diet that appears in our current issue of Prostate Forum (Volume 14 Number 10) that explains some of those recommendations:

    Dear Dr. Myers: Why should I avoid the following foods: red meat and pork; canola oil and vegetable oil; King mackerel, shark, and albacore tuna; flax oil or flaxseed; corn products and corn oil, and walnuts and pecans. Can you provide a brief explanation for each?

    Red meat and pork: I am concerned about red meat consumption for several reasons. First, high red meat consumption appears to harm general health. There are longevity hot spots where people live long lives in good health. Red meat consumption is absent or uncommon in every case. Conversely, nowhere on this earth are cultures characterized as having high red meat consumption among those with longevity and good health. Second, a chemical, PhIP, forms on the surface of red meat as it browns during cooking. PhIP is a cancer-causing chemical that has been linked directly to prostate cancer. In fact, after reviewing the literature, I have concluded that this is as close to proven as you can get without doing an unethical clinical trial. That trial would be to randomize men to placebo versus PhIP to see if those on PhIP developed prostate cancer. We encourage our patients to minimize red meat consumption and increase fish consumption
    King mackerel, shark and albacore tuna: My concern here relates to general health. These fish have high mercury content. In fact, it is so high that it is recommended that pregnant women avoid them to protect the fetus.
    Flax oil, walnuts and pecans: These are rich in the omega 3 fat, alpha linolenic acid or ALA. ALA intake has been linked to the development and progression of prostate cancer. To add insult to injury, a recent consensus conference concluded that fish omega 3, but not ALA, are needed for human health. In sum, ALA is an inferior omega 3 fatty acid for human nutrition and may enhance the risk of prostate cancer.
    Corn oil and vegetable oil: Humans do best on a diet with a proper balance between omega 6 and omega 3 fatty acids. In general, the ideal ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 is 1-3. Corn oil is 45. So a little corn oil or corn oil-containing foods can really destroy the balance between omega 6 and omega 3. Vegetable oil is an undefined mix of oils. It allows the vendor to pick the cheapest oils available. Corn oil is abundantly available and cheap.
    Canola oil: It is rich in ALA and omega 6 fatty acids.

    Omega 3/Omega 6 balance is

    Omega 3/Omega 6 balance is critical from what I understand. In most American diets it is about 20/80 and should be at least 50/50. Hopeful, I wish you would embellish your comments on flaxseed and walnuts for I thought they were a great source of Omega 3s. I also take in salmon, pom juice, flaxseed, cocoa above 80%, green tea for omega 3s.

    No red meat for the reasons you noted, plus in California drive by Harris ranch and see cattle being fattened up in pens and with hormones. It is probably OK to have range fed beef occasionally except for the purists of mind. No dairy---many of the same concerns, and as little sugar as is humanly possible (make an effort). Cancer cells feed on same.

    Now to translate to general health over and above PCa, I found my lipitor controlled cholesterol going from 210 to about 125 over 2 1/2 years.

    Big supplements of vitamin D3----see Dr. Pendergrast at Stanfurd's studies.

    Daily excercise---cardio, weight resistance, walking, riding, biking or swimming.

  • hopeful and optimistic
    hopeful and optimistic Member Posts: 2,346 Member
    #8
    ob66 said:

    Omega 3/Omega 6 balance is

    Omega 3/Omega 6 balance is critical from what I understand. In most American diets it is about 20/80 and should be at least 50/50. Hopeful, I wish you would embellish your comments on flaxseed and walnuts for I thought they were a great source of Omega 3s. I also take in salmon, pom juice, flaxseed, cocoa above 80%, green tea for omega 3s.

    No red meat for the reasons you noted, plus in California drive by Harris ranch and see cattle being fattened up in pens and with hormones. It is probably OK to have range fed beef occasionally except for the purists of mind. No dairy---many of the same concerns, and as little sugar as is humanly possible (make an effort). Cancer cells feed on same.

    Now to translate to general health over and above PCa, I found my lipitor controlled cholesterol going from 210 to about 125 over 2 1/2 years.

    Big supplements of vitamin D3----see Dr. Pendergrast at Stanfurd's studies.

    Daily excercise---cardio, weight resistance, walking, riding, biking or swimming.

    comments

     

    These comments are made by Dr. Myers, Medical Oncologist, not me. He advocates a different ratio of Omega 3 versus Omega 6 that you do.

    Here is what Wikipedia shows for walnuts.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walnut

    To me it seems that long term studies are needed to determine benefits of walnuts.

    It also seems to me that walnuts are  heart healthy……..heart healthy is prostate healthy

    Anyway this is my opinion

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