REMISSION WITH DIET CHANGE AND SUPPLEMENTS

annalexandria

manwithnoname said:

I agree all Rife machines sold today are probably fake.
Until you have a look at what happened back in the 30's 'trial' you can't dismiss the possible placebo affect, or the possibility that his machine 'may' have worked.

http://rifevideos.com/dr_rife_and_cancer_a_realistic_view.html

Actually you can compare HIFU to Rife as both use frequency's to get a response, and I believe very few people actual understand the science that R.R.R PHD was talking about, the man was an exceptional thinker and his microscope was years ahead of it's time.
He certainly cannot be dismissed as a 'quack'

Lots of people/sites are regurgitating the same rubbish about Rife and his technique to make a buck, including lying about what he actually said, do a bit more digging.

Now you can read this; http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1756-9966-28-51.pdf I would love to hear your 'critique'

Hoo boy...
poor atlanticcanada had no idea what she was getting into with her question about diet and supplements, did she? Can we all just chill a bit and try to share our views without getting hostile? We are all...every, single last damn one of us...fighting the same beast. It's an ugly SOB, who (let's face it) gets the better of most of us, no matter what path we take. Debate is healthy, and we should definitely be discussing these issues, but can't we do it in a civil fashion? Imagine if we were all sitting together in a room (hopefully having a drink or two, those of us who still can), we would never talk to each other this way. At least, I hope we wouldn't. Peace and love to y'all~Ann Alexandria

thxmiker

manwithnoname said:

Rife machines
Ok, I have read quite a bit about Rife and I am 100% convinced that the patients treated in some of his 'trials' had their cancer regress.
I am not 100% sure that it was his machine that did it. Placebo is very powerful too.

No 'Rife' machines produced today equal the power of his original machine, if they did you would need a licence to use them as they interfere with radio broadcasting and other channels.

The 'theory' is quite sound, using vibration does actually work. Google HIFU, if you vibrate things they generate friction which generates heat, heat kills tumours.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2130824/Sound-wave-treatment-zaps-prostate-tumours-debilitating-effects.html

I read several articles and
I read several articles and a couple versions of Rife treatment.

As an engineer I would question many things about the treatment. I also agree that RF can kill cells. What I have a difficult time with is the targeting method of using the Hands and or feet as the antenna. Yes, that is what they are doing with the pads on the hands and feet.

The Rife machine is basically what we would call a RF Signal generator. There are several companies selling Signal Generators and instructions and calling that a Rife process. The instructions are vague and bazaar. There are several automatic Rife Machines, that change frequency and have timed intervals. The Antenna being the hands and/or feet would not target much. The hands and feet being of fixed size may possibly work as an antenna (Long shot on the possibility) but not at multiple frequencies, because they do not change size. (They could work as an even multiple 1/4, 1/2, 5/8, etc... of frequency but again that is only a couple of frequencies and every person would be different, and this is a small spectrum.) All of the instructions that I could find were using LF anf HF spectrums which would require antennas that are Miles long. (Yes, you read that correctly the antenna to be effective would be Miles long. These frequencies are used to contact Submarines in deep water, they trail a mile long wire, and communications are extremely slow.)

After reading for an evening, I would write Rife off as a little out there, and possibly harmful. VHF and UHF close proximity could be cooking cells. Keep away from the heart, brain, and eyes.

Best Always, mike

manwithnoname

thxmiker said:

I read several articles and
I read several articles and a couple versions of Rife treatment.

As an engineer I would question many things about the treatment. I also agree that RF can kill cells. What I have a difficult time with is the targeting method of using the Hands and or feet as the antenna. Yes, that is what they are doing with the pads on the hands and feet.

The Rife machine is basically what we would call a RF Signal generator. There are several companies selling Signal Generators and instructions and calling that a Rife process. The instructions are vague and bazaar. There are several automatic Rife Machines, that change frequency and have timed intervals. The Antenna being the hands and/or feet would not target much. The hands and feet being of fixed size may possibly work as an antenna (Long shot on the possibility) but not at multiple frequencies, because they do not change size. (They could work as an even multiple 1/4, 1/2, 5/8, etc... of frequency but again that is only a couple of frequencies and every person would be different, and this is a small spectrum.) All of the instructions that I could find were using LF anf HF spectrums which would require antennas that are Miles long. (Yes, you read that correctly the antenna to be effective would be Miles long. These frequencies are used to contact Submarines in deep water, they trail a mile long wire, and communications are extremely slow.)

After reading for an evening, I would write Rife off as a little out there, and possibly harmful. VHF and UHF close proximity could be cooking cells. Keep away from the heart, brain, and eyes.

Best Always, mike

Good to have an engineers opinion
I was an engineer too, CNC, plastic molding tools. Frequencies were above my pay grade. ;-)

What do you make of this?
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1756-9966-28-51.pdf

Seems very similar to what Rife proposed.

coloCan

janie1 said:

stem cells
When researchers find a way to target cancer stem cells, then it makes sense that we can get to a real cure.

I have read over and over that chemo can kill cancer cells, but not stem cells. Therefore, when a person has surgery, if the stem cells are removed, they probably will have a tremendous outcome. Even if there are millions of cells still floating around, chemo can supposedly kill them. But if a stem cell floating around attaches to an organ, then you have a metastasis.
Getting to the stem cells is what has to happen (and only surgery can do that right now).

I would think that is common knowledge among oncologists.....but maybe not.
No oncologist has ever told me this. I think that is a terrible.

I want to find a clinical trial that targets stem cells. I don't know how difficult that will be.

When people here banter back and forth......well one person may have had a very successful surgery to get them to NED......and they are very, very lucky. If I happened to be so lucky, I think that I would think twice about saying what is the "absolute".

One more thing.......people have very different perspectives depending upon if they are NED, or, if they are on chemo #45 and on the last line of chemo, CEA is rising and a new "spot" lights up on the PET. If you haven't experienced the latter.......let me tell you it becomes very scary and you start looking for other treatments. This is the time to put yourself in to others' shoes......be empathetic, be supportive. This is not the time to scold them. Thanks for reading this. I think this is very important.

Blessings to all.

PS: check out this.....
demandcurestoday.org/colon_cancer_stem_cell_clinical_trial

manwithnoname

coloCan said:

PS: check out this.....
demandcurestoday.org/colon_cancer_stem_cell_clinical_trial

Very interesting.
"5FU, which eliminates proliferating CRC cells via apoptosis but also stimulates stemness, celecoxib preferentially deplete CD133+ colon cells and exert potent stemness inhibition via rapid tumor necrosis by perturbing hypoxia and energy metabolism via CA-IX"

Celecoxib I found seems to do good stuff in a HUGE range of cancers. We give it daily.

herdizziness

manwithnoname said:

Good night
"since it was from a company "Hopewell Technologies" I won't be reading it."

LOL....

"pushing Pete to try that dog serum" WTF?

"you start up trying to act like rife is a good thing" er...read it again..see where I said 'PLACEBO'

How about we just keep out of each others way? don't attack me and I won't respond, easy.

No
When you come on and push woo so much, I'll not stay out of your way. And RIFE has been considered HARMFUL, (people not getting proper treatment, placing faith, i.e., hence your "placebo" effect in the RIFE machine, rather the true science)so much for your PLACEBO effect.
winter Marie

manwithnoname

herdizziness said:

No
When you come on and push woo so much, I'll not stay out of your way. And RIFE has been considered HARMFUL, (people not getting proper treatment, placing faith, i.e., hence your "placebo" effect in the RIFE machine, rather the true science)so much for your PLACEBO effect.
winter Marie

What woo Have I 'pushed'
How about you respect peoples beliefs and choices their 'hope' whatever it maybe, is as valid as yours and you are certainly no expert.

I have seen you attack every alternative thing mentioned with no evidence to back it up other than 'what you think'.
I make sure I ALWAYS cite a peer reviewed reputable paper for ANYTHING I think is valid.

Please show me where i EVER said to buy a RIFE machine, good luck with that....

herdizziness

manwithnoname said:

What woo Have I 'pushed'
How about you respect peoples beliefs and choices their 'hope' whatever it maybe, is as valid as yours and you are certainly no expert.

I have seen you attack every alternative thing mentioned with no evidence to back it up other than 'what you think'.
I make sure I ALWAYS cite a peer reviewed reputable paper for ANYTHING I think is valid.

Please show me where i EVER said to buy a RIFE machine, good luck with that....

Psychiatrist
I wished I'd majored in psychiatry then I could tell you why you are on this board. Your son has brain cancer according to you, but you do not go to that board and discuss anything, he is a child with cancer according to you, but again, you do not go childhood cancer board and discuss anything having to do with your son's cancer. The only thing you seem to discuss is encouraging Pete in anything and everything on the COLORECTAL BOARD.
I don't understand your strange attachment to Pete or the COLONRECTAL board, so I guess I can't help you, plus I don't have a PHD in psychiatry to explain your obsession with Pete.
I just wish you'd quit with your veterinarian advice to Pete and all other off the wall stuff you come up with. Thanks for advising him months ago about this latest keto for him to get on and for us to worry about.
And honestly, why aren't you on the other boards pushing your "cures" etc.??? Why just ours? Last I heard you aren't dealing with colon/rectal cancers at all! Because you have Pete to experiment with?
And you can make all the false statements you like, as to my being "against alternatives", you will see plenty of posts where I am not, to each their choice, but you, your pushing of veterinarian "cures" on to Pete etc. is beyond comprehensible (or even ethical if you happen to be a closet vet) belief.
And as for your peer review, the last thing you gave was a paper from "hopewell Industries" which is from a commercial corporation.
Winter Marie

jr2012

annalexandria said:

Two thoughts...
1. It also takes a lot of courage to DO chemo. I know someone who died of cancer after deciding to pass on chemo, because she was afraid of the side effects (she might have died anyway, even with chemo, but she did have a type that is very responsive to tx).
2. If your friend offers to sell one of these machines to you, I would seriously question whether he is a friend or a salesman looking to take advantage. At the very least, I would request copies of his medical records, because of the tremendously unlikely nature of his story.

We're all in this fight together, regardless of what path we choose, but we really need to be careful of the snake oil salesmen out there who prey on our natural desire to live.
Ann Alexandria

I guess it does sound like a
I guess it does sound like a hoax but he has not tried to sell me anything - i think he is just trying to stay alive and cancerfree without having to do chemo - and sharing info with me just like we do to help each other ---

I do my own research constantly and my uncle is an oncologist whom I meet every weekend for family gatherings - so i run everything by him before trying anything (even aloe vera juice)

I believe the qigong however incredible it sounds because qigong did help a lot of people to stay cancerfree - i met several people who go to the shaolin monk for energy healing thru qigong...

and baking soda does make your blood ph level alkaline - i read online and verified....

everything else is not for me ...

I have another friend whose mom has breast cancer and I told her to give her mom curcumin capsules but she told me her onc won't allow it (i wonder if she is thinking im trying to sell her capsules).....

jr2012

annalexandria said:

Two thoughts...
1. It also takes a lot of courage to DO chemo. I know someone who died of cancer after deciding to pass on chemo, because she was afraid of the side effects (she might have died anyway, even with chemo, but she did have a type that is very responsive to tx).
2. If your friend offers to sell one of these machines to you, I would seriously question whether he is a friend or a salesman looking to take advantage. At the very least, I would request copies of his medical records, because of the tremendously unlikely nature of his story.

We're all in this fight together, regardless of what path we choose, but we really need to be careful of the snake oil salesmen out there who prey on our natural desire to live.
Ann Alexandria

I guess it does sound like a
I guess it does sound like a hoax but he has not tried to sell me anything - i think he is just trying to stay alive and cancerfree without having to do chemo - and sharing info with me just like we do to help each other ---

I do my own research constantly and my uncle is an oncologist whom I meet every weekend for family gatherings - so i run everything by him before trying anything (even aloe vera juice)

I believe the qigong however incredible it sounds because qigong did help a lot of people to stay cancerfree - i met several people who go to the shaolin monk for energy healing thru qigong...

and baking soda does make your blood ph level alkaline - i read online and verified....

everything else is not for me ...

I have another friend whose mom has breast cancer and I told her to give her mom curcumin capsules but she told me her onc won't allow it (i wonder if she is thinking im trying to sell her capsules).....

jr2012

janderson1964 said:

I am a seven year survivor
I am a seven year survivor who has been on a strict diet from the start. I too am very active. I try to mountain bike or kayak at least 4 days a week. I have also had 3 liver surgeries. I am NED again and evan though it has come back twice i have always been operalble an i think nutrition and exercise is a big reason why. I have also added mind visualization to my arsenal.

I guess it does sound like a

I guess it does sound like a hoax but he has not tried to sell me anything - i think he is just trying to stay alive and cancerfree without having to do chemo - and sharing info with me just like we do to help each other ---

I do my own research constantly and my uncle is an oncologist whom I meet every weekend for family gatherings - so i run everything by him before trying anything (even aloe vera juice)

I believe the qigong however incredible it sounds because qigong did help a lot of people to stay cancerfree - i met several people who go to the shaolin monk for energy healing thru qigong...

and baking soda does make your blood ph level alkaline - i read online and verified....

everything else is not for me ...

I have another friend whose mom has breast cancer and I told her to give her mom curcumin capsules but she told me her onc won't allow it (i wonder if she is thinking im trying to sell her capsules).....

jr2012

jr2012 said:

I guess it does sound like a

I guess it does sound like a hoax but he has not tried to sell me anything - i think he is just trying to stay alive and cancerfree without having to do chemo - and sharing info with me just like we do to help each other ---

I do my own research constantly and my uncle is an oncologist whom I meet every weekend for family gatherings - so i run everything by him before trying anything (even aloe vera juice)

I believe the qigong however incredible it sounds because qigong did help a lot of people to stay cancerfree - i met several people who go to the shaolin monk for energy healing thru qigong...

and baking soda does make your blood ph level alkaline - i read online and verified....

everything else is not for me ...

I have another friend whose mom has breast cancer and I told her to give her mom curcumin capsules but she told me her onc won't allow it (i wonder if she is thinking im trying to sell her capsules).....

and i had no idea i wud be
and i had no idea i wud be starting such a commotion with my response -

nor did i know rife machine was a scam

someone said i was trying to promote scam ... that was not the intention

i only pointed out what i knew cuz i thought thats what we do here - support each other and share info - if we don't know something, we get rectified - but such negative remarks will only stop me at least from mentioning anything even if I know something...

anyways... best wishes

herdizziness

jr2012 said:

and i had no idea i wud be
and i had no idea i wud be starting such a commotion with my response -

nor did i know rife machine was a scam

someone said i was trying to promote scam ... that was not the intention

i only pointed out what i knew cuz i thought thats what we do here - support each other and share info - if we don't know something, we get rectified - but such negative remarks will only stop me at least from mentioning anything even if I know something...

anyways... best wishes

No one was
pointing to "you" as promoting a scam, just all(but mwnn) were pointing out that the RIFE machine was a scam. That's one of the things that we're here for, to point out what is a scam so that you become more AWARE of what is out there, because many people are trying to scam people with a very real life threatening disease in order to PROFIT off of their fears.
And unfortunately most of what your friend was telling you was a story with a lot of holes in it, and most on here were pointing that out to you, so that you could be a bit wary of that particular friend, his whole story as you told it sounded very, very implausible if not totally IMPOSSIBLE. And the warning of a scam was to you, so you could avoid being taken. I'm pretty sure your oncologist relative would tell you the same.
Winter Marie

manwithnoname

jr2012 said:

and i had no idea i wud be
and i had no idea i wud be starting such a commotion with my response -

nor did i know rife machine was a scam

someone said i was trying to promote scam ... that was not the intention

i only pointed out what i knew cuz i thought thats what we do here - support each other and share info - if we don't know something, we get rectified - but such negative remarks will only stop me at least from mentioning anything even if I know something...

anyways... best wishes

Dont worry
"i only pointed out what i knew cuz i thought thats what we do here - support each other and share info"

That is exactly what forums are for, but unfortunately on this one, if you say diet/nutrition, alternatives or God helped you then prepare for a fight to defend your opinion. Or leave as others have done.

And BTW it doesn't matter how much evidence you produce some people wont even bother to read it.

Winter; no one was pointing at YOU....

"There is a difference in my mind however between looking at "alt" treatments and promoting scams, which is what Jr2012 is doing here."

Oh yes they were pointing...

manwithnoname

herdizziness said:

Psychiatrist
I wished I'd majored in psychiatry then I could tell you why you are on this board. Your son has brain cancer according to you, but you do not go to that board and discuss anything, he is a child with cancer according to you, but again, you do not go childhood cancer board and discuss anything having to do with your son's cancer. The only thing you seem to discuss is encouraging Pete in anything and everything on the COLORECTAL BOARD.
I don't understand your strange attachment to Pete or the COLONRECTAL board, so I guess I can't help you, plus I don't have a PHD in psychiatry to explain your obsession with Pete.
I just wish you'd quit with your veterinarian advice to Pete and all other off the wall stuff you come up with. Thanks for advising him months ago about this latest keto for him to get on and for us to worry about.
And honestly, why aren't you on the other boards pushing your "cures" etc.??? Why just ours? Last I heard you aren't dealing with colon/rectal cancers at all! Because you have Pete to experiment with?
And you can make all the false statements you like, as to my being "against alternatives", you will see plenty of posts where I am not, to each their choice, but you, your pushing of veterinarian "cures" on to Pete etc. is beyond comprehensible (or even ethical if you happen to be a closet vet) belief.
And as for your peer review, the last thing you gave was a paper from "hopewell Industries" which is from a commercial corporation.
Winter Marie

No my son has brain cancer
according to his MRI, we've been here before, about how I ended up here, remember Gc-MAF?, and you accusing me of selling it, then accusing me of stealing someone else's cancer story, then accusing me outright of kiddie cancer fraud, then accusing me of lying when I was banned?
You have a short term memory. And Im STILL waiting for the apology.
If you didn't have cancer you would be in court.

My 'obsession' with Pete? how about your obsession with putting him down for every choice he makes, including the latest one the ketogenic diet, again something you know NOTHING about. What is your problem with what a fully competent adult decides to do?
He is not a child....how about JUST ONCE giving HIM some support instead of your negativity.

And I am STILL here because of the private messages of support I got after your relentless attack on me. And YOU are not going to scare me off like you have others.
Again maybe if you ever get into the position where your 'god in white coat' has nothing else to offer, you might just end up looking at 'alternatives'

"pushing your "cures" " WHAT 'cures' am I pushing? now put up or shut up! POST A LINK!

"And as for your peer review, the last thing you gave was a paper from "hopewell Industries" which is from a commercial corporation."

This statement just speaks for itself, don't know whether to laugh or cry....

And I have found more useful info. here in 3 months than 3 years on my brain tumor forum, Im HERE for the info not the hugs.

Now I am fed up off justifying my presence here to you, why don't you set your own forum up? then you can have COMPLETE control, doesn't that sound good?
I will still be here for you to vent your anger on, don't worry unlike most here I can take it VERY well.

luvinlife2

Hi Atlantic

I don't know anyone or heard of anyone who had a complete remission from stage 4 cancer with diet change alone. Pretty much anyone who was lucky enough to experience this had done some sort of medical intervention prior to the remission. Having said that, I firmly believe that diet plays a huge part in achieving a remission. To me, it only makes sense that good, healthy food is needed to fuel the body and strengthen the immune system.

jr2012

manwithnoname said:

Dont worry
"i only pointed out what i knew cuz i thought thats what we do here - support each other and share info"

That is exactly what forums are for, but unfortunately on this one, if you say diet/nutrition, alternatives or God helped you then prepare for a fight to defend your opinion. Or leave as others have done.

And BTW it doesn't matter how much evidence you produce some people wont even bother to read it.

Winter; no one was pointing at YOU....

"There is a difference in my mind however between looking at "alt" treatments and promoting scams, which is what Jr2012 is doing here."

Oh yes they were pointing...

manwithnoname thats too funny!
Winter; no one was pointing at YOU....

"There is a difference in my mind however between looking at "alt" treatments and promoting scams, which is what Jr2012 is doing here."

thanks ... lol - it was funny -

thxmiker

manwithnoname said:

Good to have an engineers opinion
I was an engineer too, CNC, plastic molding tools. Frequencies were above my pay grade. ;-)

What do you make of this?
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1756-9966-28-51.pdf

Seems very similar to what Rife proposed.

Magnetic Transducer
This to me seems like a Magnetic Transducer (Basically a Speaker which does not have a cone to push air.) that is attached to the wrists and then using the Patient's heart rhythm to adjust frequency of the transducer.

These ideas have merit, when they are targeted. This does not seem to have targeted the cells. I do not understand how a magnetic field on the wrists could target anything.

There are numerous studies on Magnetic fields negative effects to people living under High Power lines. Many can not sleep after a year or more of exposure. Most get back to normal when they move away. Most people are never affected by high power lines or there is no study showing wide spread harm. (I know I would never live over or under High power lines.)

I could always be incorrect, but I would put little faith after reading this article. It is like the Magnets in the sweat bands worn by most Pro Football and baseball players. Did having magnets in the sweatbands make them good players, or were they already good players whom now where magnets?

Best Always, mike

PS Same thought processes in engineering, just different studies. Don't ask me materials questions. lol