Pete ... the language of some of your posts ...

steved

A healthy forum
I have been in and out of this forum for years and seen many conflicts arise and pass. I worried a little when I saw the first post as to what it would lead to but am pleased to see a well balanced response of thoughtful comments. I think this reflects the health of the forum at present- the mutual respect for differing positions, the mindfulness that we are here to help each other and the genuine concern people hold for their friends here.

As I have said before one of the strengths of this forum is its diversity which means there is a place for all and we are all able to have valid opinions on topics raised. We must be mindufl of our language and the power of it, especially on new comers who are at the most vulnerable moments of their lives, often joining soon after diagnosis. I am please that PEte has risen to being challenged with a respectful and thoughful response (though poisoning docs with with CRC inducing chemicals is a little harsh perhaps).

As a doctor on this site I am certainly not immune to the range of feelings about my professional colleagues and my own doctors. I am also not immune to blunt insults of my profession as a whole.

With respect to you all,
steve

Vickilg

steved said:

A healthy forum
I have been in and out of this forum for years and seen many conflicts arise and pass. I worried a little when I saw the first post as to what it would lead to but am pleased to see a well balanced response of thoughtful comments. I think this reflects the health of the forum at present- the mutual respect for differing positions, the mindfulness that we are here to help each other and the genuine concern people hold for their friends here.

As I have said before one of the strengths of this forum is its diversity which means there is a place for all and we are all able to have valid opinions on topics raised. We must be mindufl of our language and the power of it, especially on new comers who are at the most vulnerable moments of their lives, often joining soon after diagnosis. I am please that PEte has risen to being challenged with a respectful and thoughful response (though poisoning docs with with CRC inducing chemicals is a little harsh perhaps).

As a doctor on this site I am certainly not immune to the range of feelings about my professional colleagues and my own doctors. I am also not immune to blunt insults of my profession as a whole.

With respect to you all,
steve

Pete
Pete said "and those that do, well i just wanted gaol and or bankruptcy. i also have other more fitting punishments like a dose of crc, i know the names of the chemicals they use to induce colon cancer in rats, i am sure it would would on humans. but that would be to cruel."

What a horrible thing to say. Truly disappointing.

maglets

Vickilg said:

Pete
Pete said "and those that do, well i just wanted gaol and or bankruptcy. i also have other more fitting punishments like a dose of crc, i know the names of the chemicals they use to induce colon cancer in rats, i am sure it would would on humans. but that would be to cruel."

What a horrible thing to say. Truly disappointing.

Pete
Pete I know we have had peace here for some time and that is a welcome state. I think Steve has hit the nail on the head for me regarding your posts. Pete we must consider our new members. They sometimes do arrive within days of diagnosis.....they are upset and vulnerable. They do often have a diagnosis that is quite dire. Why would they want to experience your diatribe filled with rage?????

I find your post to be violent and threatening. surely this is not the atmosphere we long for. Perhaps some further reflection and self control in your posts would be in order.

I have thought hard about writing this for I do not wish to stir the pot. Your tone is very upsetting to me Pete.

maggie

John23

ron50 said:

My oncologist is one
Of the few doctors that have treated me for six decades for whom I have total respect. My surgeon was another. I can remember being out fishing with my chemo buddy ,Tom. He had double lung cancer and our oncologist was trying everything he had learned to keep tom alive. One day Tom asked him if he minded if he saw a tcm naturopath. John just patted him on the shoulder and said ,I only have two concerhs Tom,first if you don't mind,let me look at the ingredients. If there is nothing there that will conflict with your chemo then feel free to take it. My other concern is if it is going to send you broke buying it then more than likely it is of greater benefit to the seller than the buyer. Wise words ,Ron.

Ron -

Re:
".....first if you don't mind,let me look at the ingredients. If there
is nothing there that will conflict with your chemo then feel
free to take it. My other concern is if it is going to send you
broke buying it then more than likely it is of greater benefit to
the seller than the buyer...... "

(The complete list of the 8 imported medicinal strength herbs I had
used, cost less than $100 per month. That is hardly an amount
that would drive anyone "broke")

The most frustrating thing I read about, are the ravings about
alternatives that have absolutely no value in health matters.

Most of the "alternatives" are money generators for the unscrupulous,
and provide little, if any help to those that are suffering.

It enrages me to no end, to see a four thousand year old science
lumped into the garbage that's being promoted as bonafide
alternatives to western medicine. Traditional Chinese Medicine
is being used alongside western medicine in many well known
and respected health centers here in the USA.; The Mayo clinic,
and M.D. Anderson are among the many.....

TCM can be used alone, or as an adjunct to cancer treatments.
In fact, it has been found that the combination of both modalities
can offer greater benefit than one or the other alone in most instances.

Reciting a physician's prejudiced comments does not serve any
useful purpose, especially so, when so many qualified cancer
physicians are re-evaluating the methods used in TCM practices.

I personally have no interest in radical diet changes that eliminate
food products that our body needs for survival; it makes little
sense to immerse oneself in a single foodstuff and eliminate all others.

I personally do not have any interest in "grape seed extract",
"apricot pits", magnetic therapy, oxygenated water, or attempts
to PH balance the body.

Those are examples of scam industries that detract greatly from
the merits of a very viable medical science that has been used
for thousands of years, serving billions upon billions of people.

There are viable options and alternatives to western medicine,
but it requires in-depth research and a mind willing to acknowledge
the facts when they are presented.

We are all here to help one another. I heartily agree that stifling
opinions using degrading comments, or being argumentive for
the sake of being argumentive, is never well taken.

What works well for one, may not work at all for another,
but if/when we refuse to consider the possibility of it's value,
is when we may fail miserably.

I truly hope for better health for everyone, in whatever form
it is provided.

John

geotina

maglets said:

Pete
Pete I know we have had peace here for some time and that is a welcome state. I think Steve has hit the nail on the head for me regarding your posts. Pete we must consider our new members. They sometimes do arrive within days of diagnosis.....they are upset and vulnerable. They do often have a diagnosis that is quite dire. Why would they want to experience your diatribe filled with rage?????

I find your post to be violent and threatening. surely this is not the atmosphere we long for. Perhaps some further reflection and self control in your posts would be in order.

I have thought hard about writing this for I do not wish to stir the pot. Your tone is very upsetting to me Pete.

maggie

Maggie:
Very well said, I could not have stated it better.

Love and Hugs - Tina

here4lfe

I'm glad I missed Pete's message
I don't want to see the wars start again.

Best to all.

herdizziness

maglets said:

Pete
Pete I know we have had peace here for some time and that is a welcome state. I think Steve has hit the nail on the head for me regarding your posts. Pete we must consider our new members. They sometimes do arrive within days of diagnosis.....they are upset and vulnerable. They do often have a diagnosis that is quite dire. Why would they want to experience your diatribe filled with rage?????

I find your post to be violent and threatening. surely this is not the atmosphere we long for. Perhaps some further reflection and self control in your posts would be in order.

I have thought hard about writing this for I do not wish to stir the pot. Your tone is very upsetting to me Pete.

maggie

Mags
Well said dear.
Winter Marie