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CypressCynthia
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3 drinks per week increases risk of recurrence by 51%:

Alcohol Raises Risk of recurrence

http://www.webmd.com/breast-cancer/news/20091210/alcohol-raises-risk-of-breast-cancer-recurrence

"Moderate consumption of alcohol is likely to increase a woman's risk of dying as a result of breast cancer while decreasing her risk of dying as a result of heart disease," Dr. Holmes notes. "Whether to consume alcohol is an individual decision and is dependent on each woman's evaluation of and comfort level with those risks."
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/727885
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  • SIROD
    SIROD Member Posts: 2,194 Member
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    Hypothesis At Best
    I have read your websites you listed. I am sorry to disagree with the premise of most of these studies. They are for the most part assumptions than scientific facts.

    Living can also be hazardous to your health. Millions of people consume a moderate amount of alcohol with no adverse effects. One can not live their lives being afraid they will develop something. All life ends in death anyway. One might as well enjoy it while we are here.

    Best,

    Doris
  • MAJW
    MAJW Member Posts: 2,510 Member
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    SIROD said:

    Hypothesis At Best
    I have read your websites you listed. I am sorry to disagree with the premise of most of these studies. They are for the most part assumptions than scientific facts.

    Living can also be hazardous to your health. Millions of people consume a moderate amount of alcohol with no adverse effects. One can not live their lives being afraid they will develop something. All life ends in death anyway. One might as well enjoy it while we are here.

    Best,

    Doris

    Don't think...
    Don't think There's been extensive studies done on millions of people for adverse effects of "moderate" consumption of alcohol....yes everyone dies eventually but personally, I'd rather it be later than sooner !!!! So I will do what ever it takes to try and achieve that goal.....after all, we have to find out what CAUSES bc before a cure can be found....keep posting. CC...most of really appreciate your posts...
    Hugs to CC...KEEP KEEPING US INFORMED!
  • Lynn Smith
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    MAJW said:

    Don't think...
    Don't think There's been extensive studies done on millions of people for adverse effects of "moderate" consumption of alcohol....yes everyone dies eventually but personally, I'd rather it be later than sooner !!!! So I will do what ever it takes to try and achieve that goal.....after all, we have to find out what CAUSES bc before a cure can be found....keep posting. CC...most of really appreciate your posts...
    Hugs to CC...KEEP KEEPING US INFORMED!

    I don't drink
    I don't drink so I'm not worried but I believe there is something to it. I believe it is up to the people.I've been reading this also.

    My thing is I try to stay away from fireplaces etc.But today my husbnad came to a community service thing I was having and fired up the wood stove.I wasn't happy.IMO it is our right.I had a electric heater going. Not bothering me but he wanted more heat.Then less than a hour he left. I was around the wood stove for 2 hours and I didn't want to be around the wood stove for 2 minutes.

    So this week I am going out and buying 5 new ELECTRIC heaters to go in that building for my spay clinic in 6 weeks.I'll probably blow some fuses.

    Lynn Smith
  • Double Whammy
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    I don't drink
    I don't drink so I'm not worried but I believe there is something to it. I believe it is up to the people.I've been reading this also.

    My thing is I try to stay away from fireplaces etc.But today my husbnad came to a community service thing I was having and fired up the wood stove.I wasn't happy.IMO it is our right.I had a electric heater going. Not bothering me but he wanted more heat.Then less than a hour he left. I was around the wood stove for 2 hours and I didn't want to be around the wood stove for 2 minutes.

    So this week I am going out and buying 5 new ELECTRIC heaters to go in that building for my spay clinic in 6 weeks.I'll probably blow some fuses.

    Lynn Smith

    Hmmm
    Since I was diagnosed 18 months ago, my interest in alcohol has diminished considerably. I seldom have a drink now. Even when out to dinner. Just not interested. I have no explanation - I'd drink if I wanted to, believe me. I had a Manhatten when I was in Manhatten in September and I loved every drop of it. Now that's alcohol!

    I have a strong family history of heart disease, and I have high bp (controlled with meds), and cholesterol (also controlled with meds).

    I used to have a glass of wine while cooking dinner and typically one after dinner. Not every night, but most. I got breast and endometrial cancers, but I didn't die of a heart attack. Many family members have dropped dead at my age.

    I also took HRT for a while (late 40's early 50's) because at that time it was felt that estrogen protected against heart disease. Then they changed their minds about that. I got BC that was ER+, but didn't have a heart attack.

    I plan on simply being sensible and living, eating, drinking, and moving as healthily as possible - most of the time.

    Keep the food for thought coming, Eileen.

    Suzanne
  • laughs_a_lot
    laughs_a_lot Member Posts: 1,368 Member
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    I had reasons
    I had reasons to not drink prior to this study. Now I got one more.
  • CypressCynthia
    CypressCynthia Member Posts: 4,014 Member
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    SIROD said:

    Hypothesis At Best
    I have read your websites you listed. I am sorry to disagree with the premise of most of these studies. They are for the most part assumptions than scientific facts.

    Living can also be hazardous to your health. Millions of people consume a moderate amount of alcohol with no adverse effects. One can not live their lives being afraid they will develop something. All life ends in death anyway. One might as well enjoy it while we are here.

    Best,

    Doris

    I am enjoying life just fine
    I am enjoying life just fine without alcohol. It is interesting how defensive folks get when I mention that their health might improve without alcohol. They'd rather die than give it up? Your choice but not mine. Too many studies and ASCO (American Society of Clinical Oncologists) has my vote over yours--no offense meant ;-).
  • CypressCynthia
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    I am enjoying life just fine
    I am enjoying life just fine without alcohol. It is interesting how defensive folks get when I mention that their health might improve without alcohol. They'd rather die than give it up? Your choice but not mine. Too many studies and ASCO (American Society of Clinical Oncologists) has my vote over yours--no offense meant ;-).

    P.S.
    Here is a US government (AHRQ, division of dept of HHS) review of 20 studies (5 human and 15 animal). The review is trying to determine why alcohol is linked to breast cancer. Note they are well beyond it being an "hypothesis". Anotherwords, we know alcohol is linked to breast cancer--now we just need to figure out why alcohol is so deleterious to breast cancer survivors.

    Alcohol Consumption and Cancer Risk: Understanding Possible Causal Mechanisms for Breast and Colorectal Cancers

    http://ftp.ahrq.gov/clinic/tp/alccantp.htm
  • skipper54
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    I had reasons
    I had reasons to not drink prior to this study. Now I got one more.

    Heard thsi report on the news amd
    in part it was directed to E+ BC. The info provided stated that if the liver was busy processing alcohol it couldn't process out the estrogen those of us on supressors are getting rid of. Therefore, with more estrogen in the system, the risk of recurrance was higher. I don't drink that much, maybe a glass of wine if out for dinner (chocolate martinni in Hershey excluded) so I'm not too worried and will enjoy my wine when I feel like it but that's only a couple times a year anyway.
  • SIROD
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    I am enjoying life just fine
    I am enjoying life just fine without alcohol. It is interesting how defensive folks get when I mention that their health might improve without alcohol. They'd rather die than give it up? Your choice but not mine. Too many studies and ASCO (American Society of Clinical Oncologists) has my vote over yours--no offense meant ;-).

    FYI
    Dear Cynthia,

    Just so you know that this is not personal. I don't consume alcohol either. I am on a type of medication that doesn't allow alcohol. However, I am a strong believer in moderation.

    Best,

    Doris
  • SIROD
    SIROD Member Posts: 2,194 Member
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    Hmmm
    Since I was diagnosed 18 months ago, my interest in alcohol has diminished considerably. I seldom have a drink now. Even when out to dinner. Just not interested. I have no explanation - I'd drink if I wanted to, believe me. I had a Manhatten when I was in Manhatten in September and I loved every drop of it. Now that's alcohol!

    I have a strong family history of heart disease, and I have high bp (controlled with meds), and cholesterol (also controlled with meds).

    I used to have a glass of wine while cooking dinner and typically one after dinner. Not every night, but most. I got breast and endometrial cancers, but I didn't die of a heart attack. Many family members have dropped dead at my age.

    I also took HRT for a while (late 40's early 50's) because at that time it was felt that estrogen protected against heart disease. Then they changed their minds about that. I got BC that was ER+, but didn't have a heart attack.

    I plan on simply being sensible and living, eating, drinking, and moving as healthily as possible - most of the time.

    Keep the food for thought coming, Eileen.

    Suzanne

    Sensible Habits
    Dear Suzanne,

    I agree with you that being sensible with food and drink is the key.

    Many women and men are diagnose with breast cancer in countries were alcohol is forbidden. If alcohol was a real risk, they would be cancer free.

    Best,

    Doris
  • Tom Cunningham
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    P.S.
    Here is a US government (AHRQ, division of dept of HHS) review of 20 studies (5 human and 15 animal). The review is trying to determine why alcohol is linked to breast cancer. Note they are well beyond it being an "hypothesis". Anotherwords, we know alcohol is linked to breast cancer--now we just need to figure out why alcohol is so deleterious to breast cancer survivors.

    Alcohol Consumption and Cancer Risk: Understanding Possible Causal Mechanisms for Breast and Colorectal Cancers

    http://ftp.ahrq.gov/clinic/tp/alccantp.htm

    P.S.
    The sun is blue. If someone wrote a report stating so that would prove you wrong if you believed the sun was yellow or red. I have breast cancer and have the equivlant of 3 beers per year so can't blame alcohol. I use to smoke and can't find anything relating breast cancer to smoking that is concrete. On top of this my family has no history of any cancer. Take anything they put out with a grain of salt. Recently they put out that mercury is good for you.

    To prove this the journal of pediatric medicine wrote that two studies concluded Mercury in vaccines may HELP not harm children with improved mental behavior and performance. Here is the actual news report telling you so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru3tOVzgQ5Y

    Mercury which is the third most toxic item known to mankind. You should not ingest or inject any mercury containing products. Drop a thermometer and a HazMat team has to come in a clean it up. I should know I have been a Hazardous materials technician/specialist in the FD for 30 years.
  • CypressCynthia
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    P.S.
    The sun is blue. If someone wrote a report stating so that would prove you wrong if you believed the sun was yellow or red. I have breast cancer and have the equivlant of 3 beers per year so can't blame alcohol. I use to smoke and can't find anything relating breast cancer to smoking that is concrete. On top of this my family has no history of any cancer. Take anything they put out with a grain of salt. Recently they put out that mercury is good for you.

    To prove this the journal of pediatric medicine wrote that two studies concluded Mercury in vaccines may HELP not harm children with improved mental behavior and performance. Here is the actual news report telling you so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru3tOVzgQ5Y

    Mercury which is the third most toxic item known to mankind. You should not ingest or inject any mercury containing products. Drop a thermometer and a HazMat team has to come in a clean it up. I should know I have been a Hazardous materials technician/specialist in the FD for 30 years.

    And you can choose to
    And you can choose to believe that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer also. As I have said repeatedly, anyone in the medical field knows that it is not one study that is important, but it is a preponderance of evidence from >70 studies that makes this more than an hypothesis.

    And the argument that countries where alcohol is forbidden have breast cancer too is ludicrous. Of course they do. There are those who have lung cancer that have never smoked. But, there is no doubt in any sensible person's mind that there is a connection between smoking and lung cancer for most people.

    Tom, whether you drank or not and have breast cancer does not diminish the fact that the link is real. Your personal experience is called anecdotal evidence, such as, "My grandmother smoked until she was 90 and never got lung cancer." Because your grandmother didn't get lung cancer and smoked doesn't mean that it is safe to smoke.

    Doris, I sincerely believe that if I say up, you are going to say down...lol.

    I choose to put this information out here, because as a nurse practitioner, I feel that it is important. What you do with the information is your business and I respect that, but please don't encourage others to do something that may cause potential harm.
  • SIROD
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    And you can choose to
    And you can choose to believe that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer also. As I have said repeatedly, anyone in the medical field knows that it is not one study that is important, but it is a preponderance of evidence from >70 studies that makes this more than an hypothesis.

    And the argument that countries where alcohol is forbidden have breast cancer too is ludicrous. Of course they do. There are those who have lung cancer that have never smoked. But, there is no doubt in any sensible person's mind that there is a connection between smoking and lung cancer for most people.

    Tom, whether you drank or not and have breast cancer does not diminish the fact that the link is real. Your personal experience is called anecdotal evidence, such as, "My grandmother smoked until she was 90 and never got lung cancer." Because your grandmother didn't get lung cancer and smoked doesn't mean that it is safe to smoke.

    Doris, I sincerely believe that if I say up, you are going to say down...lol.

    I choose to put this information out here, because as a nurse practitioner, I feel that it is important. What you do with the information is your business and I respect that, but please don't encourage others to do something that may cause potential harm.

    You say "UP" and I say "DOWN" - Devil's Advocate?
    Dear Cynthia,

    I do believe, we have a real kindred spirit relationship. The fact that we have longevity and are more or less in the same boat with similar type of cancer. It appears that our replies are mostly oppositional, as one of us plays the "devil's advocate”. I do enjoy these sort of posts. In my business, "Keyword" is the way I view all articles.

    Since no one knows the cause of breast cancer, everything should be put forth. To ponder, to take in and who knows...

    I believe cells have a sort of blue print to do what they are design to do. Every now and then one develops a problem and our immune systems corrects by destroying it. I believe we, and all living things are such a marvelous creation but, with flaws. Then for whatever reason (yet, to be known) one cell looses it's programming and our immune systems allows to continue. Cancer sometimes develops and in our case has. I don't see it as "the beast", I see cancer as my renegade cells, unique to what makes me. I believe science will find the answer when they can figure out how to correct the flaw in some cellular way. The Cause, in what makes the traitor cells is probably unique to each of us. I'm not overly interested in "the Cause", but how will it be corrected.

    Keeping posting information and so will I. Sparring is very good and what we say are really opinions, are they not?

    Best to you Cynthia as we journey this road.

    Doris
  • SIROD
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    MAJW said:

    Don't think...
    Don't think There's been extensive studies done on millions of people for adverse effects of "moderate" consumption of alcohol....yes everyone dies eventually but personally, I'd rather it be later than sooner !!!! So I will do what ever it takes to try and achieve that goal.....after all, we have to find out what CAUSES bc before a cure can be found....keep posting. CC...most of really appreciate your posts...
    Hugs to CC...KEEP KEEPING US INFORMED!

    Trillions of humans for thousands of years...
    Dear Nancy,

    The daily beverage of many millenniums were wine, ale, beer, cider.

    It is understood that trillions of people who came before us did not die of breast cancer from the alcohol they consumed as their everyday available liquids.

    "but personally, I'd rather it be later than sooner !!!!" what kind of statement are you making. You believe most would rather die sooner? That is a given also.

    My latest post to Cynthia states my belief that the cause of why a cell goes amok is individual to each of us. I am not really interested in the Cause. I am more interested that scientist find a way of fixing those defector cells.

    I replied that breast cancer happens in countries that don't allow alcohol. Environment, they happened in areas for 1000 of years were pollution wasn't the problem. I could go on and on and on. I believe you do understand my point.

    I find it interesting Nancy that in CC other post on this topic, you were pretty much of the same opinion as I. Then I posted and you were in opposition. I have the same feeling that no matter what I say, you are going to respond in disagreement. I believe sparring is good.

    However, I detect an other undertone with me in your postings to me unlike the kind I find with CC. We are, as I see it, not enemies, but women fighting the same disease.

    I wish you the best in this journey we never wanted to learn first hand.

    Doris
  • MAJW
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    SIROD said:

    Trillions of humans for thousands of years...
    Dear Nancy,

    The daily beverage of many millenniums were wine, ale, beer, cider.

    It is understood that trillions of people who came before us did not die of breast cancer from the alcohol they consumed as their everyday available liquids.

    "but personally, I'd rather it be later than sooner !!!!" what kind of statement are you making. You believe most would rather die sooner? That is a given also.

    My latest post to Cynthia states my belief that the cause of why a cell goes amok is individual to each of us. I am not really interested in the Cause. I am more interested that scientist find a way of fixing those defector cells.

    I replied that breast cancer happens in countries that don't allow alcohol. Environment, they happened in areas for 1000 of years were pollution wasn't the problem. I could go on and on and on. I believe you do understand my point.

    I find it interesting Nancy that in CC other post on this topic, you were pretty much of the same opinion as I. Then I posted and you were in opposition. I have the same feeling that no matter what I say, you are going to respond in disagreement. I believe sparring is good.

    However, I detect an other undertone with me in your postings to me unlike the kind I find with CC. We are, as I see it, not enemies, but women fighting the same disease.

    I wish you the best in this journey we never wanted to learn first hand.

    Doris

    Doris...
    Reread my post...I SAID I'd rather die LATER RATHER THAN SOONER...get it? That means I don't want to die for a very, very long time!!!!!!! And where is the data to prove that "trillions" of people before us never died of bc where alcohol was a part of their lives.........people died very early thousands of years ago....in some cases life expectancy was age 25.....guess they just died of old age....or natural causes......sparring is one thing but false facts are quite another thing! And in countries, mostly the Middle East, where alcohol is banned women die daily from bc...and something that is "understood" is not fact....and FYI...even though alcohol is "banned" there, trust me,it does exist on the black market....

    Personally, as I stated BEFORE alcohol isn't part of my life...but for those it is, it MAY make a difference!......and I am always skeptical when a study is first released,....I didn't change that feeling after CC posted....as you think I did...I believe you need to read posts more carefully....just as you misread mine! I didn't change my thinking...I simply disagreed with some things in YOUR posts...
    And I don't look at you as an enemy..again you are making false assumptions about me....any "undertones" you seem to detect, are simply your perception...

    I, too, wish you the best!
  • New Flower
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    SIROD said:

    Hypothesis At Best
    I have read your websites you listed. I am sorry to disagree with the premise of most of these studies. They are for the most part assumptions than scientific facts.

    Living can also be hazardous to your health. Millions of people consume a moderate amount of alcohol with no adverse effects. One can not live their lives being afraid they will develop something. All life ends in death anyway. One might as well enjoy it while we are here.

    Best,

    Doris

    It is not a Hypothesis last year Conference in San Antonio
    At the Last year (2010) Conference a paper was presented showing the direct link between alcohol and breast cancer. What was new and like a bomb that "social drinking", which is 3 drinks /per week" also could contribute to recurrence and rate of survival. Per my oncologist alcohol should be excluded. Of course Special occasions like wedding, anniversaries are OK.
    Personal choice weather or not believe to the data.
  • SIROD
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    MAJW said:

    Doris...
    Reread my post...I SAID I'd rather die LATER RATHER THAN SOONER...get it? That means I don't want to die for a very, very long time!!!!!!! And where is the data to prove that "trillions" of people before us never died of bc where alcohol was a part of their lives.........people died very early thousands of years ago....in some cases life expectancy was age 25.....guess they just died of old age....or natural causes......sparring is one thing but false facts are quite another thing! And in countries, mostly the Middle East, where alcohol is banned women die daily from bc...and something that is "understood" is not fact....and FYI...even though alcohol is "banned" there, trust me,it does exist on the black market....

    Personally, as I stated BEFORE alcohol isn't part of my life...but for those it is, it MAY make a difference!......and I am always skeptical when a study is first released,....I didn't change that feeling after CC posted....as you think I did...I believe you need to read posts more carefully....just as you misread mine! I didn't change my thinking...I simply disagreed with some things in YOUR posts...
    And I don't look at you as an enemy..again you are making false assumptions about me....any "undertones" you seem to detect, are simply your perception...

    I, too, wish you the best!

    Facts, Opinions and etc.

    Dear Nancy,

    I don’t believe you wish me the best. Your entire post shows much irritation and the fact that your using caps and exclamation points are a good indication. The undertone is fairly consisting in your other posts to me when you decide to reply. I am not certain why but you have antagonistic attitude when answering me.

    There are forums that women with stage IV breast cancer post from some of these countries. There is no doubt that every country has it’s black market. In those that do ban alcohol, I am certain that it’s the men drinking not the women.

    “And where is the data to prove that "trillions" of people before us never died of bc where alcohol was a part of their lives.........”

    It is is understood that when the only beverage available was ale, beer, wine, cider that more than likely all didn’t die of cancer. Water was used by many in places were it would be assumed safe. Rome comes to mind. I am certain, they were not drinking water in many of the larger cities. I think they might have drank water it in rural areas or in the wilderness.

    There are still many places unfortunately that life expectancy is short. Don’t assume that many didn’t live into their 7th, 8th or even 9th decade in the history of the world. Many of course died early from childhood diseases. If one made it beyond that age, there was a good chance they might live a very long time. John Adams died at 90, Jefferson 83, Augustus was 60 and Hippocrate possibly to 100. Livia, wife of the Emperor Augustus was 86 when she died, Martha Washington was 70 and Queen Elizabeth I was almost 70 yrs old. I could go on, but this can turn into a silly game too.

    I shall turn the table on you and ask where is your data that proves otherwise?

    “.sparring is one thing but false facts are quite another thing!” My facts are true to the best of my knowledge. Often I base a lot of advice I give from first hand experiences. Information garnered on forums or boards such as these should never be taken as anything more than the beliefs of the posters. We are giving our opinions and there are no right or wrong ones.

    Best,

    Doris
  • MAJW
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    SIROD said:

    Facts, Opinions and etc.

    Dear Nancy,

    I don’t believe you wish me the best. Your entire post shows much irritation and the fact that your using caps and exclamation points are a good indication. The undertone is fairly consisting in your other posts to me when you decide to reply. I am not certain why but you have antagonistic attitude when answering me.

    There are forums that women with stage IV breast cancer post from some of these countries. There is no doubt that every country has it’s black market. In those that do ban alcohol, I am certain that it’s the men drinking not the women.

    “And where is the data to prove that "trillions" of people before us never died of bc where alcohol was a part of their lives.........”

    It is is understood that when the only beverage available was ale, beer, wine, cider that more than likely all didn’t die of cancer. Water was used by many in places were it would be assumed safe. Rome comes to mind. I am certain, they were not drinking water in many of the larger cities. I think they might have drank water it in rural areas or in the wilderness.

    There are still many places unfortunately that life expectancy is short. Don’t assume that many didn’t live into their 7th, 8th or even 9th decade in the history of the world. Many of course died early from childhood diseases. If one made it beyond that age, there was a good chance they might live a very long time. John Adams died at 90, Jefferson 83, Augustus was 60 and Hippocrate possibly to 100. Livia, wife of the Emperor Augustus was 86 when she died, Martha Washington was 70 and Queen Elizabeth I was almost 70 yrs old. I could go on, but this can turn into a silly game too.

    I shall turn the table on you and ask where is your data that proves otherwise?

    “.sparring is one thing but false facts are quite another thing!” My facts are true to the best of my knowledge. Often I base a lot of advice I give from first hand experiences. Information garnered on forums or boards such as these should never be taken as anything more than the beliefs of the posters. We are giving our opinions and there are no right or wrong ones.

    Best,

    Doris

    Again...
    Doris, this is your perception....if you choose to read things and interpret them in a manner that isn't intended, that's not my problem....it's yours...
    I wouldn't wish ANYTHING but the best to all on this board...we all have fought for our lives or are fighting again, which I am doing right now....Your accusation of me not wishing you the best, is again unfounded...it's how you perceive what I post...again not my problem... By the way, John Adams daughter had a mastectomy without anesthesia...at a very early age....did you know that? My use of caps and exclamation points are MY way of expression...sorry if you find that offensive...again not my problem...

    Since you don't believe my sincerity of wishing you well, I'll simply say have a good evening....and I'm done with this "game!
  • SIROD
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    MAJW said:

    Again...
    Doris, this is your perception....if you choose to read things and interpret them in a manner that isn't intended, that's not my problem....it's yours...
    I wouldn't wish ANYTHING but the best to all on this board...we all have fought for our lives or are fighting again, which I am doing right now....Your accusation of me not wishing you the best, is again unfounded...it's how you perceive what I post...again not my problem... By the way, John Adams daughter had a mastectomy without anesthesia...at a very early age....did you know that? My use of caps and exclamation points are MY way of expression...sorry if you find that offensive...again not my problem...

    Since you don't believe my sincerity of wishing you well, I'll simply say have a good evening....and I'm done with this "game!

    Abigail Adam Smith aka Nabby
    Yes, Nancy I have a very old book about Nabby which tell the story of her breast cancer. The title of the book “Colonel William Smith and Lady: The romance of Washington’s Aide and Young Abigail Adams” by Katharine Metcalf Roof published in 1929.

    It was interesting because one does not often find mentions of breast cancer in old books. Mrs. John (Abigail) Adams was a prolific letter writer and she mentions her daughter’s ordeal as did her husband to Thomas Jefferson. When I purchased this book in the 1970's, I wondered about the author and how breast cancer had touched her life for her to include this episode.

    In her last days, Nabby travelled from her home in NY to her parents in Massachusetts. A voyage of 300 miles made by stage coach with no springs. This must have been totally agony for Nabby.

    At the time of her breast cancer 1812, women were given hemlock (spelled hemlocke) pills. Nabby refused them. It was also mentioned that a woman who consulted one of the same doctor that she had, found a lump didn’t do anything about it and lived to the age of 82. One must conclude that the lump was benign or a very, very indolent cancer.


    I do believe Nancy that it is a good idea to agree to disagree and end this discussion.

    Doris

    PS: I edited the post to include some comments on a very brave lady, Abigail Adam Smith who had our disease and died nearly 2 centuries ago. Though they didn't have anesthesia, they did have laudanum (opium) that was widely used in that area. Still her courage was astonishing.
  • SueRelays
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    skipper54 said:

    Heard thsi report on the news amd
    in part it was directed to E+ BC. The info provided stated that if the liver was busy processing alcohol it couldn't process out the estrogen those of us on supressors are getting rid of. Therefore, with more estrogen in the system, the risk of recurrance was higher. I don't drink that much, maybe a glass of wine if out for dinner (chocolate martinni in Hershey excluded) so I'm not too worried and will enjoy my wine when I feel like it but that's only a couple times a year anyway.

    I just wish someone could
    I just wish someone could say "your cancer is from eating french fries....no doubt, 100% because of that!!!" :). I would definitely stop eating french fries. I have had 3 primary cancers. One anal...did not test positive for HIV....one lung, never smoked, and then this year breast cancer. I will admit, as an Italian, I have drank my share of wine. Definitely over indulged more than once! I too lost my taste for it with my cancers, so have basically stopped drinking it, although I'm sure I will partake with the right pasta dish!!!

    I am so torn, between the thought that one of these cancers is going to come back and kill me, so why not just enjoy what I enjoy, and the thought that possible changing my diet will keep me alive. No definitive answer there, but enjoy everyones take on things!!