After the operations and treatments... what about...
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alwaysscouty said:Good for you
for quitting smoking!!! I see nothing wrong with your level of drinking.
I think many people would be surprised to know that drinking 2 cans of soda especially on an empty stomach is just as bad if not worse on the liver than light alcohol use.
Trust your gut, it will tell you what you need to know. Some just won't listen to theirs.........
Lisa P.
hello Miss Lisa-lou ....always happy to see your rational calm intelligent warm and loyal face here.....
if a glass of wine were going to kill people half of Europe including those pesky Spaniards...(pepe
oh and all the Italians would be goners by now
eating out of my garden now Lis....greens and greens and more greens....can you grow mustard greens.....? I love them!
have a hug my friend.....mags0 -
Ancient Tiger......maglets said:always
hello Miss Lisa-lou ....always happy to see your rational calm intelligent warm and loyal face here.....
if a glass of wine were going to kill people half of Europe including those pesky Spaniards...(pepe oh and all the Italians would be goners by now
eating out of my garden now Lis....greens and greens and more greens....can you grow mustard greens.....? I love them!
have a hug my friend.....mags
The thing that worries me the most is the fact that you are already quoting the amounts that you might can drink and be ok or not ok...If its in the thought process, then how bout just saying no and start fishing or something instead. To go through all that you have just to start something that can be very detrimental if misused is not using your head...There are lots of other things that make us "happy"...I have seen what that type of "happy" does to a family...I am a child of a father that stayed "happy" 24/7 .......wasn't very "happy" for us .....something to really think about....If it was never brought up then I would certainly think nothing about it, But since you did raise the question and you are asking others about it, then its already become an issue to you. When it becomes an issue to you then it effects everyone around you as well........be careful bud, I would hate to see someone survive cancer only to succumb to alcohol..............buzz0 -
Me again...Buzzard said:Ancient Tiger......
The thing that worries me the most is the fact that you are already quoting the amounts that you might can drink and be ok or not ok...If its in the thought process, then how bout just saying no and start fishing or something instead. To go through all that you have just to start something that can be very detrimental if misused is not using your head...There are lots of other things that make us "happy"...I have seen what that type of "happy" does to a family...I am a child of a father that stayed "happy" 24/7 .......wasn't very "happy" for us .....something to really think about....If it was never brought up then I would certainly think nothing about it, But since you did raise the question and you are asking others about it, then its already become an issue to you. When it becomes an issue to you then it effects everyone around you as well........be careful bud, I would hate to see someone survive cancer only to succumb to alcohol..............buzz
"Is a shot a day too much? Nah, don't think so... a glass? Yeah, probably too much. A pint every other week or so? Probably not a problem, if it stays at that. Does this all apply to ME? That's where I'm at right now... what might work FINE for someone else, might be a step too far down the path for me. I just don't know..."
Tiger, sounds like you are quite concerned about how much is too much and how much is okay. Sometimes it is odd how much is okay becomes too much.
I cannot agree with congratulating you on quitting smoking (though I truly do) and then turn around and say "I see nothing wrong with your level of drinking." or
"Trust your gut, it will tell you what you need to know. Some just won't listen to theirs........." If it happens to me again I will try REAL HARD to listen to my gut if that is truly what would stop me.
Even if you have had no liver surgery I know alcohol is bad for the liver. And also, you don't have to drink when you're thirsty to develop a problem. Mine was not about thirst but an inexplicable craving for something...something I'm not sure of.
A big part of your life went down the rabbit hole for a bit. Come on back bud and let's find some other happytimes:)
Love, Laurie0 -
You make so much sense Buzz.Buzzard said:Ancient Tiger......
The thing that worries me the most is the fact that you are already quoting the amounts that you might can drink and be ok or not ok...If its in the thought process, then how bout just saying no and start fishing or something instead. To go through all that you have just to start something that can be very detrimental if misused is not using your head...There are lots of other things that make us "happy"...I have seen what that type of "happy" does to a family...I am a child of a father that stayed "happy" 24/7 .......wasn't very "happy" for us .....something to really think about....If it was never brought up then I would certainly think nothing about it, But since you did raise the question and you are asking others about it, then its already become an issue to you. When it becomes an issue to you then it effects everyone around you as well........be careful bud, I would hate to see someone survive cancer only to succumb to alcohol..............buzz
You make so much sense Buzz. Wondering if you also read what I wrote.
Gail0 -
Likeellamenno said:Me again...
"Is a shot a day too much? Nah, don't think so... a glass? Yeah, probably too much. A pint every other week or so? Probably not a problem, if it stays at that. Does this all apply to ME? That's where I'm at right now... what might work FINE for someone else, might be a step too far down the path for me. I just don't know..."
Tiger, sounds like you are quite concerned about how much is too much and how much is okay. Sometimes it is odd how much is okay becomes too much.
I cannot agree with congratulating you on quitting smoking (though I truly do) and then turn around and say "I see nothing wrong with your level of drinking." or
"Trust your gut, it will tell you what you need to know. Some just won't listen to theirs........." If it happens to me again I will try REAL HARD to listen to my gut if that is truly what would stop me.
Even if you have had no liver surgery I know alcohol is bad for the liver. And also, you don't have to drink when you're thirsty to develop a problem. Mine was not about thirst but an inexplicable craving for something...something I'm not sure of.
A big part of your life went down the rabbit hole for a bit. Come on back bud and let's find some other happytimes:)
Love, Laurie
If there was a "like" button I would like so many posts!
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Its just I think that we all look for "outs"......plh4gail said:You make so much sense Buzz.
You make so much sense Buzz. Wondering if you also read what I wrote.
Gail
but sometimes the "outs" we choose are worse than the situation we are in.....I enjoy the occasional drink...but when I do I am on a fishing trip and do not drive, and I know that my kids are with Mom and safe and I know that I can walk to my lodging when I finish my trek....I do engage in that once a year...no harm no foul...then Im done for the year...unless I go to CP-9 then it might be twice in a year...
The Utopia it puts us in is a get away for us, but just like our dreams we have hoping we wake up and its all a bad dream, its the same with our vices, we wake up, and its still there...controlled moderate drinking, or a sip every now and then is fine with me, but it may not be fine to someone else...it wasn't fine with my father, a sip meant 13 half gallons of Early Times when he had an 11 day vacation.......and that was every 9 weeks, not to mention what was done in between the off days...
If its not an issue you'll know it so if not have a drink, if it is which it seems in this case so, then absolute teetotaler would be my opinion.......but, its only my opinion....to each their own........buzz0 -
Well I gotta admitBuzzard said:Its just I think that we all look for "outs"......
but sometimes the "outs" we choose are worse than the situation we are in.....I enjoy the occasional drink...but when I do I am on a fishing trip and do not drive, and I know that my kids are with Mom and safe and I know that I can walk to my lodging when I finish my trek....I do engage in that once a year...no harm no foul...then Im done for the year...unless I go to CP-9 then it might be twice in a year...
The Utopia it puts us in is a get away for us, but just like our dreams we have hoping we wake up and its all a bad dream, its the same with our vices, we wake up, and its still there...controlled moderate drinking, or a sip every now and then is fine with me, but it may not be fine to someone else...it wasn't fine with my father, a sip meant 13 half gallons of Early Times when he had an 11 day vacation.......and that was every 9 weeks, not to mention what was done in between the off days...
If its not an issue you'll know it so if not have a drink, if it is which it seems in this case so, then absolute teetotaler would be my opinion.......but, its only my opinion....to each their own........buzz
Well I gotta admit Buzz....you're kinda sorta right on the outs thing. So...if I can do what I did (we all have done) this past year...just maybe I'll play a game with the kids or take my little dog for a walk instead of a sip and see if I can tell anything....hmmm always open for opinions and options)
Gail0 -
don't do it!plh4gail said:Well I gotta admit
Well I gotta admit Buzz....you're kinda sorta right on the outs thing. So...if I can do what I did (we all have done) this past year...just maybe I'll play a game with the kids or take my little dog for a walk instead of a sip and see if I can tell anything....hmmm always open for opinions and options)
Gail
Alcohol is NOT
don't do it!
Alcohol is NOT a good idea when dealing with cancer, no, no, no! Just my input!0 -
small worldAncientTiger said:Thank You
Laurie... lovely post,and I appreciate you sharing your story.
I have no idea what sorts of traits run in my background, as I'm adopted and have no knowledge of my biological history. I'm not even sure if genetics has as much to do with the trait as environment (which I'm sure is another topic, for another day. LOL)
I know there are detrimental health issues that come with alcohol use. There are issues with just about ANYTHING you put into yourself, no matter what it is (even WATER can be deadly if overdone), so I guess it comes down to moderation. Is a shot a day too much? Nah, don't think so... a glass? Yeah, probably too much. A pint every other week or so? Probably not a problem, if it stays at that. Does this all apply to ME? That's where I'm at right now... what might work FINE for someone else, might be a step too far down the path for me. I just don't know...
BUT, hearing your opinions and stories HELPS TREMENDOUSLY, and I truly appreciate y'all's input!!!!
i am adopted as well.
hugs,
pete0 -
i am on the wagon for 44 yearsNana b said:don't do it!
Alcohol is NOT
don't do it!
Alcohol is NOT a good idea when dealing with cancer, no, no, no! Just my input!
been dry for the year except for one glass of red wine at my wifes birthday last year and last night at father in laws 84th birthday.
all i have been told by countless doctors and naturopaths is give it up.
some have the recurrance monkey to watchout for.
i figure i abused the body for 44 years , i'll look after it for the next 44.
so no grog, tea, coffee, soft drinks etc etc.
hugs,
pete0 -
There have been a lot of
There have been a lot of good responses to your post. May I throw in my "two bits"? Alcohol/drinking is an interesting -- and important -- topic for many of us. But may I pick up on what I perceived to be an important part of what you might be going through now. You have been through so very much over the past year (or so) and now that the surgery/treatment/'crisis' is over you are going through what has been a very interesting and challenging period for many of us. I know I am not alone in that, once that time period was over for me, the emotional stuff really hit. I had been in "fight-flight" mode since the day I was diagnosed. And, once all the initial phase (diagnosis, testing, decision, surgery, chemo, etc etc) ended, the "oh sh*t" phase really began. I ended up seeing a therapist for a while. I realize that is not everybody's cup of tea. For me, it was helpful. But, most significantly, the therapist (counsellor, whatever) actually said to me "what you are experiencing is post-traumatic stress syndrome". Those words alone (let alone what she did to help me through) were SO valuable to me. So, aside from the drinking issue (which I don't mean to dismiss) -- may I gently suggest that you find some way of acknowledging what you have been through this past year -- in a serious way. Whether a counsellor, religious leader, reading some relevant materials, or finding a personal way to acknowledge and 'work through' -- I think (and pardon me if I am totally misinterpreting) this might be relevant....
Warmly,
Tara
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This comment has been removed by the ModeratortaraHK said:There have been a lot of
There have been a lot of good responses to your post. May I throw in my "two bits"? Alcohol/drinking is an interesting -- and important -- topic for many of us. But may I pick up on what I perceived to be an important part of what you might be going through now. You have been through so very much over the past year (or so) and now that the surgery/treatment/'crisis' is over you are going through what has been a very interesting and challenging period for many of us. I know I am not alone in that, once that time period was over for me, the emotional stuff really hit. I had been in "fight-flight" mode since the day I was diagnosed. And, once all the initial phase (diagnosis, testing, decision, surgery, chemo, etc etc) ended, the "oh sh*t" phase really began. I ended up seeing a therapist for a while. I realize that is not everybody's cup of tea. For me, it was helpful. But, most significantly, the therapist (counsellor, whatever) actually said to me "what you are experiencing is post-traumatic stress syndrome". Those words alone (let alone what she did to help me through) were SO valuable to me. So, aside from the drinking issue (which I don't mean to dismiss) -- may I gently suggest that you find some way of acknowledging what you have been through this past year -- in a serious way. Whether a counsellor, religious leader, reading some relevant materials, or finding a personal way to acknowledge and 'work through' -- I think (and pardon me if I am totally misinterpreting) this might be relevant....
Warmly,
Tara
(who is still trying to process! every day....)0 -
LiketaraHK said:There have been a lot of
There have been a lot of good responses to your post. May I throw in my "two bits"? Alcohol/drinking is an interesting -- and important -- topic for many of us. But may I pick up on what I perceived to be an important part of what you might be going through now. You have been through so very much over the past year (or so) and now that the surgery/treatment/'crisis' is over you are going through what has been a very interesting and challenging period for many of us. I know I am not alone in that, once that time period was over for me, the emotional stuff really hit. I had been in "fight-flight" mode since the day I was diagnosed. And, once all the initial phase (diagnosis, testing, decision, surgery, chemo, etc etc) ended, the "oh sh*t" phase really began. I ended up seeing a therapist for a while. I realize that is not everybody's cup of tea. For me, it was helpful. But, most significantly, the therapist (counsellor, whatever) actually said to me "what you are experiencing is post-traumatic stress syndrome". Those words alone (let alone what she did to help me through) were SO valuable to me. So, aside from the drinking issue (which I don't mean to dismiss) -- may I gently suggest that you find some way of acknowledging what you have been through this past year -- in a serious way. Whether a counsellor, religious leader, reading some relevant materials, or finding a personal way to acknowledge and 'work through' -- I think (and pardon me if I am totally misinterpreting) this might be relevant....
Warmly,
Tara
(who is still trying to process! every day....)
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taraunknown said:This comment has been removed by the Moderator
tara I personally think you are the one who has hit the nail on the head.
I am a couple of years out after six years of cancer struggle and I really believe i still suffer from some sort of post trauma distress. Right after surgeries and on chemo I could hardly drive into a big city without a bag over my head....complete panic.
this weekend my hubby and i were having a little tiff over money...the pensions just are not stretching far enough....my point....once my stress button get pushed it turns on and it does not shut off easily. I start to see threat and negativity everywhere....I feel panicky .....I know this is not a normal response ....so
I find walking helps, talking it out with someone....doing yoga and listening quietly to calm guided imagery tapes. It really is there Tara and Tiger....it really is....
I think addressing it in some way is a good idea....just sayin....
maggie0 -
EUREKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!taraHK said:There have been a lot of
There have been a lot of good responses to your post. May I throw in my "two bits"? Alcohol/drinking is an interesting -- and important -- topic for many of us. But may I pick up on what I perceived to be an important part of what you might be going through now. You have been through so very much over the past year (or so) and now that the surgery/treatment/'crisis' is over you are going through what has been a very interesting and challenging period for many of us. I know I am not alone in that, once that time period was over for me, the emotional stuff really hit. I had been in "fight-flight" mode since the day I was diagnosed. And, once all the initial phase (diagnosis, testing, decision, surgery, chemo, etc etc) ended, the "oh sh*t" phase really began. I ended up seeing a therapist for a while. I realize that is not everybody's cup of tea. For me, it was helpful. But, most significantly, the therapist (counsellor, whatever) actually said to me "what you are experiencing is post-traumatic stress syndrome". Those words alone (let alone what she did to help me through) were SO valuable to me. So, aside from the drinking issue (which I don't mean to dismiss) -- may I gently suggest that you find some way of acknowledging what you have been through this past year -- in a serious way. Whether a counsellor, religious leader, reading some relevant materials, or finding a personal way to acknowledge and 'work through' -- I think (and pardon me if I am totally misinterpreting) this might be relevant....
Warmly,
Tara
(who is still trying to process! every day....)
Tara, your insight has helped me a LOT!!!!!
I guess this is the "calm after the storm", when I'm sitting around, NOT in surgery, NOT having things shoved in places I would have NEVER thought to shove things, NOT having poison pumped into my veins, NOT recovering from being split open like a over-ripe watermelon.. just SITTING, trying NOT to think about everything I've been through, NOT thinking about post traumatic stress syndrome...
Hmmmmmmmm..... I wonder.......
You've given me something to chew on Tara.. thank you!!!!!!!!0 -
ahhhhhhAncientTiger said:EUREKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tara, your insight has helped me a LOT!!!!!
I guess this is the "calm after the storm", when I'm sitting around, NOT in surgery, NOT having things shoved in places I would have NEVER thought to shove things, NOT having poison pumped into my veins, NOT recovering from being split open like a over-ripe watermelon.. just SITTING, trying NOT to think about everything I've been through, NOT thinking about post traumatic stress syndrome...
Hmmmmmmmm..... I wonder.......
You've given me something to chew on Tara.. thank you!!!!!!!!
I love Eureka moments.....good for you try some different things Tiger and you know what else helps....time....does not completely heal but it does help
you want to know another thing that super stresses me????
the endless bickering on this board.....going to take a little break now
who needs a churning tummy when one comes here for help, fun, support knowledge love
maggie0
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