I have one question
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luz del lago said:
nudgie, dear
When I first clicked on your post I really had to check the date. I thought it might have been an April Fool's joke!
In your next post you state, "I don't pressure congress or the senate, school systems, etc., to change what has been part of this COUNTRY for centuries because I don't believe. I move on and emjoy life".
Then why, on God's green earth, would you come on this forum and post such a combative blog? I am a Believer and as such, I am not angry with your words. I have prayed that you find some peace and are able to care for and respect others for their differences. I believe that God does not make mistakes, therefore, all of Mankind, whether they believe or not, are good.
You are blessed to be a cancer survivor, and I praise our Lord for His love and mercy that He has bestowed upon you.
Now abideth faith, hope and love...
but the greatest of these is love
I Corinthians 13:13
Peace be with you,
Lucy
Thank you for yet another respectful, thoughtful response, Lucy.
Take care,
Joe0 -
To Allmariam_11_09 said:sounds like you have an axe
sounds like you have an axe to grind that you need to grind elsewhere. This is a very supportive board where people DO DISCUSS THEIR BELIEFS whether or not it be a belief in God. They challenge each other in a way that helps the person dig deeper within and also share on deeper level. This I appreciate greatly!! It is often uplifting to come this board and read about other people's insights, experiences and beliefs.
NO-ONE IS FORCING YOU TO CHANGE YOUR BELIEF!! Whether or not there is prayer and religion in school should have no impact on your beliefs because, in case you haven't noticed belief is personal and comes from within. Even if you are not allowed to openly practice your religion you can still believe and no-one can take that away from you.
I am not Christian, I have no problem with Christianity and certainly have the utmost respect for the word of Jesus however if there is going to be Christianity in schools, then there also needs to be Budhism, Islam, Hindu, Animism ....along with the long list of other belief systems in the world in schools.
There are many intelligent, thoughtful and reflective people on this board you could learn a great deal by truly reading their posts, starting with the responses on this thread.
There are so many great responses here to the initial question that was posted. As Mariam stated, people do discuss their beliefs on here. We do it all the time and 95% of the time it's done with civility and acceptance. We all do not agree with each other all the time and that's OK. Faith is just that, it shouldn't be confused with facts. That's not to say it's wrong but it's to say that it is really hard (if not impossible) to prove.0 -
From one rose to anotherluz del lago said:nudgie, dear
When I first clicked on your post I really had to check the date. I thought it might have been an April Fool's joke!
In your next post you state, "I don't pressure congress or the senate, school systems, etc., to change what has been part of this COUNTRY for centuries because I don't believe. I move on and emjoy life".
Then why, on God's green earth, would you come on this forum and post such a combative blog? I am a Believer and as such, I am not angry with your words. I have prayed that you find some peace and are able to care for and respect others for their differences. I believe that God does not make mistakes, therefore, all of Mankind, whether they believe or not, are good.
You are blessed to be a cancer survivor, and I praise our Lord for His love and mercy that He has bestowed upon you.
Now abideth faith, hope and love...
but the greatest of these is love
I Corinthians 13:13
Peace be with you,
Lucy
Thanks Lucy, couldn't have said it better myself. I try not to judge those who don't believe as I do but am saddened by those indeed who are so filled with anger - it's so destructive and never produces any positive results.
Anger I know is part of the whole healing proccess and you have to go through it to some extent but when a person gets stuck in anger the process is halted til the person can move on. I totally believe that.
Anywho, all the best to all who posted on this point. May Peace find you.
Blessings,
Bluerose0 -
Hey Nudgienudgie said:The proof
he does exists is within the FAITH we each hold in his glory as well as his WORD which is the Bible, so by your statement above, you are saying all Books on his WORD are false and that we all were created from Apes and the "bing bang" created our World?
Science will always fall on their sword of having to touch, smell, see, taste, etc., their resolutions to the world we live in; if you can't see it, smell it, taste it, etc., it ain't real and doesn't exist.
The Bible CAN BE traced and linked to BC and AC times as well as research today, so you can believe what YOU want to believe, but I will NOT under any circumstance CHANGE my way of life or beliefs to allievate all those who mutter "since I am not a believer, why should I have to read it, see it or have it on my money?"
Why, because it is what OUR COUNTRY was founded on, or are you going to say that's not real either?
I don't pressure congress or the senate, school systems, etc., to change what has been part of this COUNTRY for centuries because I don't believe. I move on and emjoy life.
Oh, I know, I could pressure congress, senate, the President and all legal authorities to FORCE all those who don't believe into believing, cause I'm tired of listening to "your" group complain, but of course, since I believe in the LORD I don't stup to such idot tactics.
Just popped in here, as I'm from the infamous board lol. Saw you had posted, how are you?
Really hope you are well.0 -
Huh?mariam_11_09 said:sounds like you have an axe
sounds like you have an axe to grind that you need to grind elsewhere. This is a very supportive board where people DO DISCUSS THEIR BELIEFS whether or not it be a belief in God. They challenge each other in a way that helps the person dig deeper within and also share on deeper level. This I appreciate greatly!! It is often uplifting to come this board and read about other people's insights, experiences and beliefs.
NO-ONE IS FORCING YOU TO CHANGE YOUR BELIEF!! Whether or not there is prayer and religion in school should have no impact on your beliefs because, in case you haven't noticed belief is personal and comes from within. Even if you are not allowed to openly practice your religion you can still believe and no-one can take that away from you.
I am not Christian, I have no problem with Christianity and certainly have the utmost respect for the word of Jesus however if there is going to be Christianity in schools, then there also needs to be Budhism, Islam, Hindu, Animism ....along with the long list of other belief systems in the world in schools.
There are many intelligent, thoughtful and reflective people on this board you could learn a great deal by truly reading their posts, starting with the responses on this thread.
I'd like to know why so much has been said in response to words so transparently a contrivance, and as such, purely manipulative.
It's very easy to avoid such contrivance. Just don't respond.
AussieMaddie0 -
ButAussieMaddie said:Huh?
I'd like to know why so much has been said in response to words so transparently a contrivance, and as such, purely manipulative.
It's very easy to avoid such contrivance. Just don't respond.
AussieMaddie
Then it wouldn't be any fun
Take care,
Joe0 -
Oh Joe...soccerfreaks said:But
Then it wouldn't be any fun
Take care,
Joe
you make me giggle:)
Peace, Laurie0 -
Ditto Lucyluz del lago said:nudgie, dear
When I first clicked on your post I really had to check the date. I thought it might have been an April Fool's joke!
In your next post you state, "I don't pressure congress or the senate, school systems, etc., to change what has been part of this COUNTRY for centuries because I don't believe. I move on and emjoy life".
Then why, on God's green earth, would you come on this forum and post such a combative blog? I am a Believer and as such, I am not angry with your words. I have prayed that you find some peace and are able to care for and respect others for their differences. I believe that God does not make mistakes, therefore, all of Mankind, whether they believe or not, are good.
You are blessed to be a cancer survivor, and I praise our Lord for His love and mercy that He has bestowed upon you.
Now abideth faith, hope and love...
but the greatest of these is love
I Corinthians 13:13
Peace be with you,
Lucy
I agree 150% with your response Lucy and as usual it's respectful and thoughtful.
Nudgie, you might want to re-read the Bible, especially the parts that refer to not being judgemental. Just an idea.
Praying you find peace,love and understanding Nudgie.
Blessings,
Bluerose0 -
Just sayin' HE loves U all!ellamenno said:Oh Joe...
you make me giggle:)
Peace, Laurie
Just sayin' HE loves U all!0 -
agreeFaithLyons said:Just sayin' HE loves U all!
Just sayin' HE loves U all!
I agree with that0 -
To believe or not to believe
I am glad we live in a country where we are all free to believe in something or not to believe. To me it is a matter of choice and a choice that I don’t force on anyone. I think the world would be a better place if all people could learn to respect each other and what they believe or not believe. I believe that there is a God who looks over me and that is my choice and I respect someone else who does not believe that way.
The proof of God is in the way you live not forcing it on others.
Hondo0 -
That's what they said about Santa ClausFaithLyons said:Just sayin' HE loves U all!
Just sayin' HE loves U all!
But I still never got my pony 0 -
double post from a long...long...loading screenFaithLyons said:Just sayin' HE loves U all!
Just sayin' HE loves U all!
*yawn*0 -
I agree with U Hondo..Hondo said:To believe or not to believe
I am glad we live in a country where we are all free to believe in something or not to believe. To me it is a matter of choice and a choice that I don’t force on anyone. I think the world would be a better place if all people could learn to respect each other and what they believe or not believe. I believe that there is a God who looks over me and that is my choice and I respect someone else who does not believe that way.
The proof of God is in the way you live not forcing it on others.
Hondo
I agree with U Hondo..0 -
It's not necessary what we WANT ....stayingcalm said:That's what they said about Santa Claus
But I still never got my pony
.... it's about what we NEED. I am a believer and I think that there is alot of common sense in the belief that there is a grand plan, that isn't orchestrated by us humans, and that if you getting a pony would have moved you along towards your souls fullfillment, or would have helped you in any other way that was needed, then you would have gotten your pony.
At least it makes the most sense of any arguement I have ever heard for why some get what they want or not.
All the best Stayingcalm.
Bluerose0 -
"I'm glad to be an American"Hondo said:To believe or not to believe
I am glad we live in a country where we are all free to believe in something or not to believe. To me it is a matter of choice and a choice that I don’t force on anyone. I think the world would be a better place if all people could learn to respect each other and what they believe or not believe. I believe that there is a God who looks over me and that is my choice and I respect someone else who does not believe that way.
The proof of God is in the way you live not forcing it on others.
Hondo
(Lee Greenwood reference)
Perhaps it is just a matter of semantics, but I would advise that faith is not about 'choice'. Theologians, philosophers, priests, preachers, rabbis, swamis, shamans, in whatever dialect they use, they generally refer to a LEAP of faith, that is, jumping from the rational to the irrational, accepting something beyond that which can be proven scientifically. They do not, among those I have talked to over the years, (and there have been many, of many faiths), imply that I could CHOOSE to make that leap. Not, that is, and remain honest to myself. No, rather, they seem to understand that it is a most wonderful or tragic element of the human condition, and that we can only come to it, to faith, through this so-called leap. We cannot simply wake up one morning and decide that we have chosen to believe.
That would be a lie.
Perhaps it is just a matter of semantics.
Take care,
Joe0 -
Ah Bluerose, it was a stupid jest, I admit it!bluerose said:It's not necessary what we WANT ....
.... it's about what we NEED. I am a believer and I think that there is alot of common sense in the belief that there is a grand plan, that isn't orchestrated by us humans, and that if you getting a pony would have moved you along towards your souls fullfillment, or would have helped you in any other way that was needed, then you would have gotten your pony.
At least it makes the most sense of any arguement I have ever heard for why some get what they want or not.
All the best Stayingcalm.
Bluerose
Somewhere here I'm sure I've also said I don't believe in Santa Claus, or fairies & elves, aliens or UFO's, Yetis, advanced ancient civilizations, Atlantis etc But oddly enough the videogames I play often star those very things...doesn't mean I take it seriously! 0 -
Sometimes jesting and sarcasim don't come across in postsstayingcalm said:Ah Bluerose, it was a stupid jest, I admit it!
Somewhere here I'm sure I've also said I don't believe in Santa Claus, or fairies & elves, aliens or UFO's, Yetis, advanced ancient civilizations, Atlantis etc But oddly enough the videogames I play often star those very things...doesn't mean I take it seriously!
I have no idea who is jesting or being sarcastic sometimes in posts so excuse me if I read you wrong. It's common to take insinuations and jest and sarcasim wrong in written text and chat.
Sorry
Bluerose0 -
That's interesting!soccerfreaks said:"I'm glad to be an American"
(Lee Greenwood reference)
Perhaps it is just a matter of semantics, but I would advise that faith is not about 'choice'. Theologians, philosophers, priests, preachers, rabbis, swamis, shamans, in whatever dialect they use, they generally refer to a LEAP of faith, that is, jumping from the rational to the irrational, accepting something beyond that which can be proven scientifically. They do not, among those I have talked to over the years, (and there have been many, of many faiths), imply that I could CHOOSE to make that leap. Not, that is, and remain honest to myself. No, rather, they seem to understand that it is a most wonderful or tragic element of the human condition, and that we can only come to it, to faith, through this so-called leap. We cannot simply wake up one morning and decide that we have chosen to believe.
That would be a lie.
Perhaps it is just a matter of semantics.
Take care,
Joe
I had not heard this before but makes sense. Thanks for sharing.0
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