Question of the Day: Genetic Testing Kits. Would you take the test?

PhillieG

John23 said:

I guess I didn't type it right (again?)...


Chemo, herbs, or -any- method used to kill a cancer tumor, is perfectly fine.
Please don't misunderstand my position?

But...... if what's being done destroys the immune system to the point
that your body can no longer fight the cancer, or fight any associated
ills that comes with the fight against cancer, then it is counterproductive.

I had a friend that had just enough chemo treatments to kill the
tumor he had in his lung. His onco stopped, and gave his body
time to recuperate. His own body began killing the balance of the
tumor without help from "modern medicine". He's gone now, but
due to old age and a bad heart... His cancer never returned in the
8 or so years prior to his death.

When the doctors insist on continuous chemo, or radiation, and
your body is being damaged to the point you can barely remain alive,
the treatments are working against you. You end up fighting the
damaging treatments instead of the damaging cancer.

I have had too, too many friends die of the side effects and damage of
western medicine's cancer therapies. Second cancers from both Chemo
and radiation, illnesses from a weakened immune system that no medicine
could cure... Personally, I hate the thought of it all.

Using chemicals to kill a cancerous tumor can work wonders,
and radiation to kill a tumor also can work.. but so can freezing
the tumor, and so can oxygen injection into the tumor, and countless
of other ways that are at western medicine's disposal.

But regardless of the means of killing cancer masses, the body should
be able to recover quickly from the event. If that isn't happening, patients
should know enough to call it quits.

A cancer cell is very vulnerable to things that our normal cells can endure.
When we start killing more good cells than bad.... we have a problem.

It's not the drugs; the chemicals, it's their flippant application that I abhor.
Some doctors just don't know when to stop, and their patients are too scared
to realize when they can do without the bombardment of toxic chemicals.

(I can remember when rats were used to test to determine if cigarette smoke
could cause them to have cancer..... we speculated that perhaps cancer
in rats was hereditary and smoke had nothing to do with it) (gee, full circle)



(I probably typed that wrong again, huh?)


PS:
By the way Phil... that new picture you have.... well...
Does it appear to be a purple butt and slightly pornographic,
or are my herbs acting up?

I'm Waiting
for one of us to say "Jane, you ignorant ****" a la Dan Akeroyd and Jane Curtain from SNL back in the "old days".

I'm sure I just saw I HATE CHEMO even though it wasn't there. I'm a bit busy today but I'll read (or re-read) and I'm sure I'll have some comment.
-phil

John23

PhillieG said:

I'm Waiting
for one of us to say "Jane, you ignorant ****" a la Dan Akeroyd and Jane Curtain from SNL back in the "old days".

I'm sure I just saw I HATE CHEMO even though it wasn't there. I'm a bit busy today but I'll read (or re-read) and I'm sure I'll have some comment.
-phil

Hey Phil..


Re:
"I'm sure I just saw I HATE CHEMO even though it wasn't there."

No biggie! I still think I see a purple butt... Porno ala' Sal Dali ?

Seriously, I don't "hate" anything... (well... let's not get into far right-wing
politics....) (oh-ohh)..

I guess this forum gets to me some days; I think you mentioned it also.
We read about hopeful people suddenly having the rug yanked out, with
doctor's reports of things gone sour and cancer returning two-fold.

One night, after reading too many posts of things gone bad, I sat here
and cried like an old fool.

After reading so many sad posts, I opened a new email....

I have a forum friend who's insides are disintegrating. The radiation she
had to "cure" one thing, ruined another. She's had so much taken out of
her, it's a wonder she can remain alive at all. She's a late term IV, and
still trying to see another day. Her husband is showing all the signs of
severe trauma. I feel helpless, and I can imagine how her husband feels.

I sat here and wondered how it's going to be for me... My wife's
got enough problems, and I thought I'd be able to help her through
to eternity... Now I worry about her being alone, to fend for herself.

I often feel guilty for being here, since so many with the same type
of cancer have so many problems, and I've been so fortunate so far.

I don't take being here for granted, nor would I boast that "my way" is
better than the usual way; my number could be up at any time. There
just isn't any guaranteed way for surviving cancer.

If my wife was diagnosed with cancer, she alone would have to make
her choices regarding care. I wouldn't blame her for choosing the
western medicine route, if that's what she decided to do.

So no, Phil... I don't "hate" chemotherapy, I just hate the way it's
propagandized; the way it's promoted as the only way to go if
one expects to live after being diagnosed with cancer.

I wish they would give the real statistics to the individuals that
are seeking the best way to handle their cancer, instead of promoting
so much trust in what doesn't deserve that much trust.

Western medicine is only one viable route of many routes.

"You don't have to get worse before you get better."



(Oh, and I hope you don't mind, but I'm gonna' copy that pix for my .. errr .. personal use)

PhillieG

John23 said:

Hey Phil..


Re:
"I'm sure I just saw I HATE CHEMO even though it wasn't there."

No biggie! I still think I see a purple butt... Porno ala' Sal Dali ?

Seriously, I don't "hate" anything... (well... let's not get into far right-wing
politics....) (oh-ohh)..

I guess this forum gets to me some days; I think you mentioned it also.
We read about hopeful people suddenly having the rug yanked out, with
doctor's reports of things gone sour and cancer returning two-fold.

One night, after reading too many posts of things gone bad, I sat here
and cried like an old fool.

After reading so many sad posts, I opened a new email....

I have a forum friend who's insides are disintegrating. The radiation she
had to "cure" one thing, ruined another. She's had so much taken out of
her, it's a wonder she can remain alive at all. She's a late term IV, and
still trying to see another day. Her husband is showing all the signs of
severe trauma. I feel helpless, and I can imagine how her husband feels.

I sat here and wondered how it's going to be for me... My wife's
got enough problems, and I thought I'd be able to help her through
to eternity... Now I worry about her being alone, to fend for herself.

I often feel guilty for being here, since so many with the same type
of cancer have so many problems, and I've been so fortunate so far.

I don't take being here for granted, nor would I boast that "my way" is
better than the usual way; my number could be up at any time. There
just isn't any guaranteed way for surviving cancer.

If my wife was diagnosed with cancer, she alone would have to make
her choices regarding care. I wouldn't blame her for choosing the
western medicine route, if that's what she decided to do.

So no, Phil... I don't "hate" chemotherapy, I just hate the way it's
propagandized; the way it's promoted as the only way to go if
one expects to live after being diagnosed with cancer.

I wish they would give the real statistics to the individuals that
are seeking the best way to handle their cancer, instead of promoting
so much trust in what doesn't deserve that much trust.

Western medicine is only one viable route of many routes.

"You don't have to get worse before you get better."



(Oh, and I hope you don't mind, but I'm gonna' copy that pix for my .. errr .. personal use)

How We See Things
Friday afternoon and interesting thing happened that plays out daily across the world and I'm sure we've all been on one side or the other of it.

I have 2 sons, Dylan (16) and Griffin (10). Dylan had a few buddies over and they were playing basketball in our driveway which is on the small side and our neighbors house is only about 14ft away from ours (if that). Our neighbors are a couple who are in their 80s. A German man and an Irish woman. Even though I park my car so it will usually block any stray shot that gets away, sometimes one gets over the car and hits into their house. Not a hard shot but it does hit their house. The boys were also playing some Frisbee and a few times the Frisbee as hit their house. It's not intentional but their kids and kids happens.

Well, the Frisbee hit it one too many times yesterday and the woman came over very upset and on the verge of tears to talk to me about the house being hit. She threatened to call the cops. I listened to her and apologized to her, then I told Dylan and his friends to stop the Frisbee.

What does this have to do with chemo?
Grif was in the house crying because he thought the cops were coming I was going to go to jail.
Dylan thought "what's HER problem?"
The woman reacted like "those kids CONSTANTLY throw stuff at our house".
I tried to look at it from everyone's side and put and end to it (for now at least)
One event happened. A Frisbee hit a house. That was seen as many different things by everyone involved.

My point? If I didn't have the GREAT (IMO) results that I've had with my protocol which involves chemo, I very well would be cheering you on John. If your experience was very different, you might have a different outlook on this. No one is right and no one is wrong. Why do the treatments (TCM or chemo) work for some people and not for others? I have no idea, I wish I knew. I wish they studied it more because it's certainly WORTH looking at. Hell, some TCM I practice (one hit at a time) instead of taking Emend at $180 a pill. The human body is one of nature's amazing creations that can heal itself as easily as it can destroy itself. You said that "You don't have to get worse before you get better" but sometimes you do have to go through things and not around them.

There are too many casualties from cancer period. No one's come up with a cure but we certainly have many ways to GIVE people cancer. There is an article in the new issue of TIME that talks about how everything around us in our homes (and other places) have potential to give us cancer. I didn't get to read it yet but it looks like we're still at it!

When I read your posts (and other people's) I will try to look at them through different eyes.

Knock yourself our with the photo John. It does have an uncanny resemblance to a butt!
Politically I think we see pretty eye to eye. I'm sure I won't see you at any "teabagger" parties
;-)
-p

SandyL

PhillieG said:

How We See Things
Friday afternoon and interesting thing happened that plays out daily across the world and I'm sure we've all been on one side or the other of it.

I have 2 sons, Dylan (16) and Griffin (10). Dylan had a few buddies over and they were playing basketball in our driveway which is on the small side and our neighbors house is only about 14ft away from ours (if that). Our neighbors are a couple who are in their 80s. A German man and an Irish woman. Even though I park my car so it will usually block any stray shot that gets away, sometimes one gets over the car and hits into their house. Not a hard shot but it does hit their house. The boys were also playing some Frisbee and a few times the Frisbee as hit their house. It's not intentional but their kids and kids happens.

Well, the Frisbee hit it one too many times yesterday and the woman came over very upset and on the verge of tears to talk to me about the house being hit. She threatened to call the cops. I listened to her and apologized to her, then I told Dylan and his friends to stop the Frisbee.

What does this have to do with chemo?
Grif was in the house crying because he thought the cops were coming I was going to go to jail.
Dylan thought "what's HER problem?"
The woman reacted like "those kids CONSTANTLY throw stuff at our house".
I tried to look at it from everyone's side and put and end to it (for now at least)
One event happened. A Frisbee hit a house. That was seen as many different things by everyone involved.

My point? If I didn't have the GREAT (IMO) results that I've had with my protocol which involves chemo, I very well would be cheering you on John. If your experience was very different, you might have a different outlook on this. No one is right and no one is wrong. Why do the treatments (TCM or chemo) work for some people and not for others? I have no idea, I wish I knew. I wish they studied it more because it's certainly WORTH looking at. Hell, some TCM I practice (one hit at a time) instead of taking Emend at $180 a pill. The human body is one of nature's amazing creations that can heal itself as easily as it can destroy itself. You said that "You don't have to get worse before you get better" but sometimes you do have to go through things and not around them.

There are too many casualties from cancer period. No one's come up with a cure but we certainly have many ways to GIVE people cancer. There is an article in the new issue of TIME that talks about how everything around us in our homes (and other places) have potential to give us cancer. I didn't get to read it yet but it looks like we're still at it!

When I read your posts (and other people's) I will try to look at them through different eyes.

Knock yourself our with the photo John. It does have an uncanny resemblance to a butt!
Politically I think we see pretty eye to eye. I'm sure I won't see you at any "teabagger" parties
;-)
-p

Thank you, John.....
I have been seeing the same thing in Phil's avatar! I thought my mind was in the gutter ( we used to say that in school). I try to think "it's a flower, it's a flower, it's a flower but it's just not working for me and I see penis and well, you know. So sorry, but thanks Phil for the conversational avatar. You folks totally rock my world.
Sandy

To answer your question, Phil-NO to the genetic test. Our kids have all had their colonoscopies earlier than recommended by the professionals.

PhillieG

SandyL said:

Thank you, John.....
I have been seeing the same thing in Phil's avatar! I thought my mind was in the gutter ( we used to say that in school). I try to think "it's a flower, it's a flower, it's a flower but it's just not working for me and I see penis and well, you know. So sorry, but thanks Phil for the conversational avatar. You folks totally rock my world.
Sandy

To answer your question, Phil-NO to the genetic test. Our kids have all had their colonoscopies earlier than recommended by the professionals.

Next Up
is a "Penis Fly-Trap" avatar although all of us guys who have ever caught our penises in our flies know how painful that can be.

Maybe I'll switch to birds and post some Boobies.*

*Boobies are large birds with long pointed wings and long bills. They hunt fish by diving from a height into the sea and pursuing their prey underwater. Facial air sacs under their skin cushion the impact with the water. Boobies are colonial breeders on islands and coasts. They normally lay one or more chalky-blue eggs on the ground or sometimes in a tree nest.

SandyL

PhillieG said:

Next Up
is a "Penis Fly-Trap" avatar although all of us guys who have ever caught our penises in our flies know how painful that can be.

Maybe I'll switch to birds and post some Boobies.*

*Boobies are large birds with long pointed wings and long bills. They hunt fish by diving from a height into the sea and pursuing their prey underwater. Facial air sacs under their skin cushion the impact with the water. Boobies are colonial breeders on islands and coasts. They normally lay one or more chalky-blue eggs on the ground or sometimes in a tree nest.

spewed my coffee
and snorted it all over my computer screen, Phil! Good to know what boobies are.

As I typed the word penis I found myself yelling at me "awww, she said (whispering penis)"
too funny. thanks for the grin this morning.

KathiM

PhillieG said:

Next Up
is a "Penis Fly-Trap" avatar although all of us guys who have ever caught our penises in our flies know how painful that can be.

Maybe I'll switch to birds and post some Boobies.*

*Boobies are large birds with long pointed wings and long bills. They hunt fish by diving from a height into the sea and pursuing their prey underwater. Facial air sacs under their skin cushion the impact with the water. Boobies are colonial breeders on islands and coasts. They normally lay one or more chalky-blue eggs on the ground or sometimes in a tree nest.

"trap" is the key word....
It's hard to imagine the panic that would cause, me being the fairer sex and all....

Maybe it's like a mammogram, which we ladies enjoy...especially when, at the height of discomfort, we a told to 'take a deep breath and hold it'!!!!!!

Hugs, Kathi

PhillieG

KathiM said:

"trap" is the key word....
It's hard to imagine the panic that would cause, me being the fairer sex and all....

Maybe it's like a mammogram, which we ladies enjoy...especially when, at the height of discomfort, we a told to 'take a deep breath and hold it'!!!!!!

Hugs, Kathi

If...
men had to get mammograms, the machinery would be VERY different I think.
That does not sound like fun either at all.

Sandy, I think I've caused a few monitors to have coffee spewed on them in my time on this board...
It is a good day!
-p

RickMurtagh

test
You mean take the test now? I already know I am prone to have cancer with two tumors living happily in my colon for a while.
I am with you on that test kit - it can only comeback to haunt you later. What good is it to put a statistic on you that most probably has no meaning? Most people who have a propensity to get cancer don't get it. Even people with the genetic marker for hereditary colon cancer probably won't get it. I did have that test done, since I had a family history of colon cancer. My kids will get tested early any way (oldest is almost 30) even though I don't have the gene (or marker in the gene or whatever it is).
We already know insurance companies do not favor us because we have cancer. I can't imagine a day that my children might not get coverage or pay huge premiums because of some stupid test that indicates they are more likely than some to get cancer. That idea is not too far fetched. They already charge more for life insurance for smokers and other "high risk" groups. Tell me there have not already been insurance company meetings about the opportunities the genetic test kits can provide. Bah - the blood sucking, er, I mean life saving bastards. I would probably be dead today unless some nice soul forked out half a mil on my behalf if it were not for insurance. But still.

geotina

Home Test Kits
No, not interested. This stuff will come back and bite you in the butt. If I were younger, I would also think twice about doing it for an employer also.

Tina