question for christians

grandmafay

Marcia527 said:

I didn't mean to imply that
I didn't mean to imply that ALL Christians are this way. I get forwarded emails from a relative which has been to lots of other inboxes first. This relative is very intelligent and I've pointed out before how most of these forwarded things aren't true. I still get them. I just got one the day before I posted this thread and was just discouraged. I might have worded my post wrong but did not mean to group everyone together.

I have a sister who belongs to a progressive church so I shouldn't have used the blanket term Christian. I was thinking of the other relative.

Not All Christians
Marcia, I know you didn't mean all Christians. I just think the more fundamentalist groups get so much press, that those of us who are in more progressive denominations need to speak up now and then. Speaking of denominations, I need to get dressed for church. I'm the liturgist (reader) this morning.Fay

mariam_11_09

well the far left, very far


well the far left, very far left believe that global warming is not real either, that is it something created by the government to divert our attention away from what is real. Ummm .....what is real as you put it Marcia is that our ice-caps are melting!!

Some of these people I am talking about on the far, far left are well educated people with degrees and not one I know is a Christian.

PhillieG

mariam_11_09 said:

well the far left, very far


well the far left, very far left believe that global warming is not real either, that is it something created by the government to divert our attention away from what is real. Ummm .....what is real as you put it Marcia is that our ice-caps are melting!!

Some of these people I am talking about on the far, far left are well educated people with degrees and not one I know is a Christian.

So far Left they are ready to fall off the Earth!
The conspiracy people. We took down the World Trade Center and that sort of stuff. I just read that there was an island in the Indian Ocean that India and Bangladesh(?) were fighting over for years. It was rather small, maybe 1.5 sq miles. Well, due to the oceans rising the island disappeared.
That settles that!

mariam_11_09

PhillieG said:

So far Left they are ready to fall off the Earth!
The conspiracy people. We took down the World Trade Center and that sort of stuff. I just read that there was an island in the Indian Ocean that India and Bangladesh(?) were fighting over for years. It was rather small, maybe 1.5 sq miles. Well, due to the oceans rising the island disappeared.
That settles that!

or they will drown in the rising oceans

and think the government has targeted them.

Apparently the island you are referring to only appeared when there was a low tide and was uninhabited. Global warming resolves a dispute. However some other nearby islands have also been submerged displacing the people living there as early as 1996.

Then there is Tuvalu ... slowly disappearing .... Wow!

Great, here in America we have the luxury of pretending nothing is happening or the government is out to get us.

PhillieG

mariam_11_09 said:

or they will drown in the rising oceans

and think the government has targeted them.

Apparently the island you are referring to only appeared when there was a low tide and was uninhabited. Global warming resolves a dispute. However some other nearby islands have also been submerged displacing the people living there as early as 1996.

Then there is Tuvalu ... slowly disappearing .... Wow!

Great, here in America we have the luxury of pretending nothing is happening or the government is out to get us.

I know...
isn't it moronic, I mean ironic?
I'm surprised there are so many cases of colon cancer in the US. We sometimes have our heads so far up our _ _ _ _ _ that you'd think we'd spot the polyps early!
;-)

DennisR

PhillieG said:

I know...
isn't it moronic, I mean ironic?
I'm surprised there are so many cases of colon cancer in the US. We sometimes have our heads so far up our _ _ _ _ _ that you'd think we'd spot the polyps early!
;-)

Well...there does appear to
Well...there does appear to be some evidence that the Earth is entering another mini Ice Age beginning several years ago, temperature recordings in the middle of growing urban centers not withstanding.
If the cooling trend does indeed continue, than the global warming issues re: whether it is indeed man caused will either be proven, if the temps continue to rise, and the Glaciers continue to melt, and the oceans continue to rise, or will be somewhat disproven when they don't.
Still, I am a believer in using sound technology to lessen our dependence upon fossil fuels, I do however wish those who are proponents of Solar, Nuclear, and Wind energy solutions would get their acts together and stop fighting amongst themselves by using pure fiction as fact and "their sky is falling" fear tactics to prove their points. If Global warming is as important and solveable through Green Energy techniques as we are led to believe, than it stands to reason that we shouldn't be blocking the construction of such facilities in the most ideal and effective locations on the continent. ie: Wyoming for the Wind generation (Prarie Chickens are scared of them), and the Mojave in California for Solar (Desert tortises might have to walk around them), and Nuclear Energy Plants wherever they are proposed (Who knows why?). There also seems to be a complete disinterest in improving any forms of public transportation that would enable people to commute to their ever dwindling job opportunities without driving. It also occurs to me that while driving does contribute to CO2 emissions, at least those emissions have some chance to be absorbed by plants which require them in order to survive, as opposed to Airplanes which deposit their considerable emissions right up there next to the ozone layer with no chance whatsoever of them doing anything but adding to the problem. I calculated that Nancy Polosi puts more pollution into the atmosphere in one trip hauling her "pretty little head" to California than I will contribute in my entire lifetime driving my truck...and that's without taking any carbon credits at all for growing my own garden.

DennisR

PhillieG said:

I know...
isn't it moronic, I mean ironic?
I'm surprised there are so many cases of colon cancer in the US. We sometimes have our heads so far up our _ _ _ _ _ that you'd think we'd spot the polyps early!
;-)

Well...there does appear to
Well...there does appear to be some evidence that the Earth is entering another mini Ice Age beginning several years ago, temperature recordings in the middle of growing urban centers not withstanding.
If the cooling trend does indeed continue, than the global warming issues re: whether it is indeed man caused will either be proven, if the temps continue to rise, and the Glaciers continue to melt, and the oceans continue to rise, or will be somewhat disproven when they don't.
Still, I am a believer in using sound technology to lessen our dependence upon fossil fuels, I do however wish those who are proponents of Solar, Nuclear, and Wind energy solutions would get their acts together and stop fighting amongst themselves by using pure fiction as fact and "their sky is falling" fear tactics to prove their points. If Global warming is as important and solveable through Green Energy techniques as we are led to believe, than it stands to reason that we shouldn't be blocking the construction of such facilities in the most ideal and effective locations on the continent. ie: Wyoming for the Wind generation (Prarie Chickens are scared of them), and the Mojave in California for Solar (Desert tortises might have to walk around them), and Nuclear Energy Plants wherever they are proposed (Who knows why?). There also seems to be a complete disinterest in improving any forms of public transportation that would enable people to commute to their ever dwindling job opportunities without driving. It also occurs to me that while driving does contribute to CO2 emissions, at least those emissions have some chance to be absorbed by plants which require them in order to survive, as opposed to Airplanes which deposit their considerable emissions right up there next to the ozone layer with no chance whatsoever of them doing anything but adding to the problem. I calculated that Nancy Polosi puts more pollution into the atmosphere in one trip hauling her "pretty little head" to California than I will contribute in my entire lifetime driving my truck...and that's without taking any carbon credits at all for growing my own garden.

Hondo

Global warming
I don’t know about Global warming but I do believe that God is telling us that there is trouble ahead for this World. Like many we have the choice to keep our eyes closed and believe everything will be just fine, put your faith and trust in the Government, me I choose to put my Faith in God.

However it happens or starts I don’t know nor can I predict, all I can do is to believe what God word tells me. I read some of the Old Testament prophecies from Jeremiah 4: he says I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void. Another one is God is going to Rv:11 destroy them which destroy the earth. God said he is going to recreate the Earth once again this time there will be no more Sin. I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And this new heaven will be without sorcerers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

PhillieG

DennisR said:

Well...there does appear to
Well...there does appear to be some evidence that the Earth is entering another mini Ice Age beginning several years ago, temperature recordings in the middle of growing urban centers not withstanding.
If the cooling trend does indeed continue, than the global warming issues re: whether it is indeed man caused will either be proven, if the temps continue to rise, and the Glaciers continue to melt, and the oceans continue to rise, or will be somewhat disproven when they don't.
Still, I am a believer in using sound technology to lessen our dependence upon fossil fuels, I do however wish those who are proponents of Solar, Nuclear, and Wind energy solutions would get their acts together and stop fighting amongst themselves by using pure fiction as fact and "their sky is falling" fear tactics to prove their points. If Global warming is as important and solveable through Green Energy techniques as we are led to believe, than it stands to reason that we shouldn't be blocking the construction of such facilities in the most ideal and effective locations on the continent. ie: Wyoming for the Wind generation (Prarie Chickens are scared of them), and the Mojave in California for Solar (Desert tortises might have to walk around them), and Nuclear Energy Plants wherever they are proposed (Who knows why?). There also seems to be a complete disinterest in improving any forms of public transportation that would enable people to commute to their ever dwindling job opportunities without driving. It also occurs to me that while driving does contribute to CO2 emissions, at least those emissions have some chance to be absorbed by plants which require them in order to survive, as opposed to Airplanes which deposit their considerable emissions right up there next to the ozone layer with no chance whatsoever of them doing anything but adding to the problem. I calculated that Nancy Polosi puts more pollution into the atmosphere in one trip hauling her "pretty little head" to California than I will contribute in my entire lifetime driving my truck...and that's without taking any carbon credits at all for growing my own garden.

Energy
I don't think anyone can successfully argue that pollution is good for the planet or for us.

I think the main barrier to alternative energy sources are the big energy companies that use fossil fuels. They do not want us to get electricity from the sun or the wind. They can't control those and therefore they can't make us pay for something that is basically supplied for free. Of course it has to be converted from sun/wind power into electricity we can use but that's not something they can make billions off of. I think the reason nuclear is being opposed is obvious (to me at least) the stuff is dangerous and the effects of a disaster are, well, disastrous. The land is unusable for tens of thousands of years not to mention all of the cancers it would cause in people. I don't think it's a smart idea to put more money into that. Also, they still don't know what to do with the waste from the ones we have already. There is that NIMBY factor too Dennis, I agree. No one want wind turbines or solar farms in there back yard.

-p

PhillieG

Hondo said:

Global warming
I don’t know about Global warming but I do believe that God is telling us that there is trouble ahead for this World. Like many we have the choice to keep our eyes closed and believe everything will be just fine, put your faith and trust in the Government, me I choose to put my Faith in God.

However it happens or starts I don’t know nor can I predict, all I can do is to believe what God word tells me. I read some of the Old Testament prophecies from Jeremiah 4: he says I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void. Another one is God is going to Rv:11 destroy them which destroy the earth. God said he is going to recreate the Earth once again this time there will be no more Sin. I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And this new heaven will be without sorcerers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Global warming
I think it's the planet's way of telling us that something is wrong. Many times throughout the billions of years of the existence of the earth, life has been destroyed over and over again by natural phenomena. It's going to happen again, that's just how nature works. Dinosaurs were wiped out which gave way for mammals to start their rise to prominence and the cycle will continue again and again with other forms of life being the "top dog" so to speak until our star, the sun, eventually burns itself out. That is unless we speed things up and destroy our rein of "ruling" the earth ahead of schedule.
-p

Hondo

PhillieG said:

Global warming
I think it's the planet's way of telling us that something is wrong. Many times throughout the billions of years of the existence of the earth, life has been destroyed over and over again by natural phenomena. It's going to happen again, that's just how nature works. Dinosaurs were wiped out which gave way for mammals to start their rise to prominence and the cycle will continue again and again with other forms of life being the "top dog" so to speak until our star, the sun, eventually burns itself out. That is unless we speed things up and destroy our rein of "ruling" the earth ahead of schedule.
-p

one button
All it takes is for one mad man to push one button; it is incredible that we have the power to destroy the earth all with one touch; who is to say if it will not start something like that, it will be a Global warming then for sure.

sal314

Hmmmmmm...
just wonder why you have to label the people that seem to have circualted these emails as "christians"? I'm quite sure all kinds of people get them! Why not just say people? You could make that argument about ANY group of people, religion, belief system, et. It just kinda of annoys me that you pick on people that happen to have faith in Christ. Don't want to start anything. I'm just sayin'....

One of those "Christian" People:)

Sally

Marcia527

sal314 said:

Hmmmmmm...
just wonder why you have to label the people that seem to have circualted these emails as "christians"? I'm quite sure all kinds of people get them! Why not just say people? You could make that argument about ANY group of people, religion, belief system, et. It just kinda of annoys me that you pick on people that happen to have faith in Christ. Don't want to start anything. I'm just sayin'....

One of those "Christian" People:)

Sally

Because it was sent to me by
Because it was sent to me by a christian. I know a lot of christians. But you are right I shouldn't group them all together.

dasspears

sal314 said:

Hmmmmmm...
just wonder why you have to label the people that seem to have circualted these emails as "christians"? I'm quite sure all kinds of people get them! Why not just say people? You could make that argument about ANY group of people, religion, belief system, et. It just kinda of annoys me that you pick on people that happen to have faith in Christ. Don't want to start anything. I'm just sayin'....

One of those "Christian" People:)

Sally

Marcia
qualified that statement in her first post.

z

PhillieG said:

So
You admit then to having eggs. Which came first, the chicken or global warming?

Chicken or the Egg
They just announced that the chicken came first, because the chicken produces the protein that is required for the egg.

sea60

sal314 said:

Hmmmmmm...
just wonder why you have to label the people that seem to have circualted these emails as "christians"? I'm quite sure all kinds of people get them! Why not just say people? You could make that argument about ANY group of people, religion, belief system, et. It just kinda of annoys me that you pick on people that happen to have faith in Christ. Don't want to start anything. I'm just sayin'....

One of those "Christian" People:)

Sally

I agree with Sally
I know a lot of non Christians who believe in Global warming...