Do you think it is possible to kill prostate cells by diet ect..

bdhilton

This is what I try to work
This is what I try to work in most days and I have even learned to eat in restrauants the same way (and I will have a grass feed beef steak and a couple of scotchs a monthE)
Every day:
Tomato products 2x day (Mariana sauce, tomatoes salsa (homemade), etc...)
8oz Pomegranate juice 100%
1/2 cup wild blueberries
one soy product a day (from my research you should only do one serving a day)
over 30grams of fiber
8-10 serving of fruits/vegs
2-7 raw Brazilian nuts and 10-14 raw Almonds

Working my Vitamin back in:
Morning Daily
Vitamin C 1000 mg
L-Lysine 500 mg
Flax Seed Oil 1300 mg
Lutein 6 mg
B-12 250 mg
Reveratrol Complex 500 mg
Lycopene 10Mg
Evening Daily
Vitamin E 400 mg
Vitiam D3 1000 IU
Reveratrol Complex 500mg
Lycopene 10 mg
Super B:
Thiamin-50 mg, Riboflavin-50 mg, Niacin-300 mg, B-6-50 mg, Folate-400 mg, Biotin-400 mg, Pantothenic Acis-100 mg & Calcium-37 mg
Mineral Complex:Calcium-600 mg, Magnesium-400 mg, Zinc-15 mg, Copper-1 mg, Manganese-3 mg& Potassium-98 mg

hopeful and optimistic

bdhilton said:

This is what I try to work
This is what I try to work in most days and I have even learned to eat in restrauants the same way (and I will have a grass feed beef steak and a couple of scotchs a monthE)
Every day:
Tomato products 2x day (Mariana sauce, tomatoes salsa (homemade), etc...)
8oz Pomegranate juice 100%
1/2 cup wild blueberries
one soy product a day (from my research you should only do one serving a day)
over 30grams of fiber
8-10 serving of fruits/vegs
2-7 raw Brazilian nuts and 10-14 raw Almonds

Working my Vitamin back in:
Morning Daily
Vitamin C 1000 mg
L-Lysine 500 mg
Flax Seed Oil 1300 mg
Lutein 6 mg
B-12 250 mg
Reveratrol Complex 500 mg
Lycopene 10Mg
Evening Daily
Vitamin E 400 mg
Vitiam D3 1000 IU
Reveratrol Complex 500mg
Lycopene 10 mg
Super B:
Thiamin-50 mg, Riboflavin-50 mg, Niacin-300 mg, B-6-50 mg, Folate-400 mg, Biotin-400 mg, Pantothenic Acis-100 mg & Calcium-37 mg
Mineral Complex:Calcium-600 mg, Magnesium-400 mg, Zinc-15 mg, Copper-1 mg, Manganese-3 mg& Potassium-98 mg

vitamin E
new research...negative effect...........

bdhilton

hopeful and optimistic said:

vitamin E
new research...negative effect...........

I would be interested in
I would be interested in reading the site with the negative information about E. I just started taking E about 3 months ago (minus the three weeks before surgery) and D3 at my Urologist and surgeon suggestion…It would not surprise me that this stuff changes with the wind

erisian

bdhilton said:

I would be interested in
I would be interested in reading the site with the negative information about E. I just started taking E about 3 months ago (minus the three weeks before surgery) and D3 at my Urologist and surgeon suggestion…It would not surprise me that this stuff changes with the wind

With the wind
Yup.
There was the SELECT trial, then other studies showing benefits from vit E and selenium... it never ends. Just plug "______ cures cancer" into google, then do "_____ causes cancer". see how many hits you get for each. Beer even works. %)

It makes me give more credence to Integrative Medicine. Diet and nutrition are complex, and the interactions between different nutrients, vitamins, etc, are largely unknown. So if you are going to see any effects, it's probably not just from one thing, so it's hard to isolate something in particular. It's about how everything interacts.

The form in which something is ingested makes a difference too. Some forms of minerals, magnesium oxide for example, are not readily absorbed, while other forms are, like magnesium citrate. Magnesium chloride will absorb through the skin. So now if you do a study with magnesium, and say that we'll take XXmg per day, the actual amount of magnesium that will be bioavailable will vary greatly depending on which form is used.

There seems to be a lot of agreement that if you can get enough of a particular nutrient from food, instead of from a supplement, that it is better. It's usually cheaper too.

bdhilton

erisian said:

With the wind
Yup.
There was the SELECT trial, then other studies showing benefits from vit E and selenium... it never ends. Just plug "______ cures cancer" into google, then do "_____ causes cancer". see how many hits you get for each. Beer even works. %)

It makes me give more credence to Integrative Medicine. Diet and nutrition are complex, and the interactions between different nutrients, vitamins, etc, are largely unknown. So if you are going to see any effects, it's probably not just from one thing, so it's hard to isolate something in particular. It's about how everything interacts.

The form in which something is ingested makes a difference too. Some forms of minerals, magnesium oxide for example, are not readily absorbed, while other forms are, like magnesium citrate. Magnesium chloride will absorb through the skin. So now if you do a study with magnesium, and say that we'll take XXmg per day, the actual amount of magnesium that will be bioavailable will vary greatly depending on which form is used.

There seems to be a lot of agreement that if you can get enough of a particular nutrient from food, instead of from a supplement, that it is better. It's usually cheaper too.

Yes I agree that getting
Yes I agree that getting what you need through food is better and that is my ultimate goal. Like my selenium I get through my Brazilin Nuts, omega 3 and fish oil through my fish, high grain breads and ground Flax seed, etc… My Urologist and surgeon say get it through your food too but do recommend E (400), D3 (1000), C (750), Pomegranate juice, one soy product a day, a “cheap” multiple vitamin and that you can never eat enough fiber (unless you are going through radiation treatment)….

hopeful and optimistic

bdhilton said:

I would be interested in
I would be interested in reading the site with the negative information about E. I just started taking E about 3 months ago (minus the three weeks before surgery) and D3 at my Urologist and surgeon suggestion…It would not surprise me that this stuff changes with the wind

Hi
There was a study that measured seleium and vitamin e on a pop of people, and in fact I started to take thise vitamins, however the study was discontinued because , instead of a positive effect, a negative effect was found.......I cannot site the study, but I did hear a lecture from mark a moyad,md, university of michigan medical center who brought this information to my attention. Also another doctor locally in so cal, mentioned this as well at a support group that I attended at St Joseph medical center.

Ira

hopeful and optimistic

hopeful and optimistic said:

Hi
There was a study that measured seleium and vitamin e on a pop of people, and in fact I started to take thise vitamins, however the study was discontinued because , instead of a positive effect, a negative effect was found.......I cannot site the study, but I did hear a lecture from mark a moyad,md, university of michigan medical center who brought this information to my attention. Also another doctor locally in so cal, mentioned this as well at a support group that I attended at St Joseph medical center.

Ira

Also OMega 3
good to get it thru fish, but I heard that flax seed doesn't work, even if its ground....I forget the rational, but that's what one of the doc who I heard said.

I guess jelly bean soup is what we really need

Ira

hopeful and optimistic

hopeful and optimistic said:

Hi
There was a study that measured seleium and vitamin e on a pop of people, and in fact I started to take thise vitamins, however the study was discontinued because , instead of a positive effect, a negative effect was found.......I cannot site the study, but I did hear a lecture from mark a moyad,md, university of michigan medical center who brought this information to my attention. Also another doctor locally in so cal, mentioned this as well at a support group that I attended at St Joseph medical center.

Ira

Some more information
I came across a dvd that mark a moyad, md, mph did, here is some more information. There was a gov run 150 million dollar, Select Trial about Vitamin E and Seleium. It was supposed to run 7-12 years, but was stopped at 5 1/2 years. 400 units of vitamin e increased prostate cancer and seleium increased type two diabetics.

Ira

bdhilton

hopeful and optimistic said:

Some more information
I came across a dvd that mark a moyad, md, mph did, here is some more information. There was a gov run 150 million dollar, Select Trial about Vitamin E and Seleium. It was supposed to run 7-12 years, but was stopped at 5 1/2 years. 400 units of vitamin e increased prostate cancer and seleium increased type two diabetics.

Ira

Hopeful…I would be
Hopeful…I would be interested where I can find the specific negative information on vit E, flax seed etc…you are referencing too…I am sure there are many web sites and studies that can counter anything but I would like to know specifically were you are pulling this information from. I am getting my information and recommendations from my surgeon, Urologist and a nutritionist … Many Thanks

randy_in_indy

bdhilton said:

Hopeful…I would be
Hopeful…I would be interested where I can find the specific negative information on vit E, flax seed etc…you are referencing too…I am sure there are many web sites and studies that can counter anything but I would like to know specifically were you are pulling this information from. I am getting my information and recommendations from my surgeon, Urologist and a nutritionist … Many Thanks

Just yesterday on Dr. OZ
who is begining to really Pi$$ me off lately....said flax seed,Vit E should be in everyones diet. I have now two grips with him regarding prostate situations....but they are touting the flax and vitamin E as very valuable....AH heck..I am going to have a friken pizza and watch Butler try to beat Mich state on Sat! Talk about a fun place to be from....Colts....Butler....what's next?

OH Brother had a blast on the 5 day back pack Grand Canyon Hike ....he's 55 and had no problem keeping up with the group of 30 somethings...said he had a minor blister or two and never fell behind....you are set to go on the one in July...I know the way you are you will be WAY over prepared and ready...just take pads for those scotch toots at night! I am really impressed BD that you did not have any alcohol yet....I am not that disciplined.....I was earlier in my life ...but certainly not now...as I am making up for all the diligent sacrafices I made in my earlier years....

Randy in Indy

erisian

bdhilton said:

Hopeful…I would be
Hopeful…I would be interested where I can find the specific negative information on vit E, flax seed etc…you are referencing too…I am sure there are many web sites and studies that can counter anything but I would like to know specifically were you are pulling this information from. I am getting my information and recommendations from my surgeon, Urologist and a nutritionist … Many Thanks

Vit E etc
The name of the trial was SELECT (the Selenium and Vitamin E Cancer Prevention Trial)
Here's the pubmed page with the numbers:
http://tinyurl.com/yjz5b4d

I would caution any prostate cancer patient about reading too much into it, because this was a *prevention* trial, not a *treatment* trial, and there wasn't much difference anyway. Vitamin E is a good antioxidant, and is an important nutrient. Selenium is important too. A deficiency in either of them can't be good for you. So I figure I might as well take some, because it's more likely to be good for me than bad for me. My oncologist agrees.

hopeful and optimistic

erisian said:

Vit E etc
The name of the trial was SELECT (the Selenium and Vitamin E Cancer Prevention Trial)
Here's the pubmed page with the numbers:
http://tinyurl.com/yjz5b4d

I would caution any prostate cancer patient about reading too much into it, because this was a *prevention* trial, not a *treatment* trial, and there wasn't much difference anyway. Vitamin E is a good antioxidant, and is an important nutrient. Selenium is important too. A deficiency in either of them can't be good for you. So I figure I might as well take some, because it's more likely to be good for me than bad for me. My oncologist agrees.

Yes the name was Select Trial
This was a major 150 million dollar trial......it's may be where BHiltons doctors are getting their information........say Hilton, did your docs give a source for the referals that they gave.,,,,I think that you will find that its the same study, but not updated.

Erisian...........I would think that if vitamin e and selenium is bad in a prevention trial, it would not be good in treatment.........remember most men die with prostate cancer, not becauce of it...........don't you think that selium will cause type 2 diabetics in men in treatment as well as prevention.



As far as flax seed, I'm not saying that its bad, in fact it has a lot of bulk. Also this doc said that chia seeds are better than flax, having 5 grains per table spoon.

Anyway as you can see, we are stirring up the food covered with flax and chia, with a springling of selium and vitamin e, topped with tomato sauce, along with a shot of pomograte juice on the rocks.

ira

bdhilton

randy_in_indy said:

Just yesterday on Dr. OZ
who is begining to really Pi$$ me off lately....said flax seed,Vit E should be in everyones diet. I have now two grips with him regarding prostate situations....but they are touting the flax and vitamin E as very valuable....AH heck..I am going to have a friken pizza and watch Butler try to beat Mich state on Sat! Talk about a fun place to be from....Colts....Butler....what's next?

OH Brother had a blast on the 5 day back pack Grand Canyon Hike ....he's 55 and had no problem keeping up with the group of 30 somethings...said he had a minor blister or two and never fell behind....you are set to go on the one in July...I know the way you are you will be WAY over prepared and ready...just take pads for those scotch toots at night! I am really impressed BD that you did not have any alcohol yet....I am not that disciplined.....I was earlier in my life ...but certainly not now...as I am making up for all the diligent sacrafices I made in my earlier years....

Randy in Indy

I am sure Dr. Oz has his own
I am sure Dr. Oz has his own “patented” brand of Flax seed mix and vitamins…Hate to tell you that pizza is a good food choice for prostate cancer…I have it most Fridays with the family…lol

Your brother and family will never forget that trip to the Grand Canyon… I am sure your brother had no issues keeping up...but I do think we sleep sounder at our age because of the workout :-)

I am up to 8 miles+ a day now (2 hikes not walks)…A couple of days ago I stopped wearing the pads for a security blanket but still do at night (but no accidents in 4 weeks tomorrow-plus last 2 nights sleep 8 hours without getting up-stop drinking water 2 hours before I go asleep)…

As far as my Half Dome climb it has been pushed out to September if I do the radiation since the radiation will start early June or early July…September is not the prettiest month for the climb but is sure drier (no pun-Vernal and Nevada Falls along with the vegetation start to dry up)

I miss my single malt but there is a time for everything and right now I am preparing my body for another beating in June or July….

bdhilton

hopeful and optimistic said:

Yes the name was Select Trial
This was a major 150 million dollar trial......it's may be where BHiltons doctors are getting their information........say Hilton, did your docs give a source for the referals that they gave.,,,,I think that you will find that its the same study, but not updated.

Erisian...........I would think that if vitamin e and selenium is bad in a prevention trial, it would not be good in treatment.........remember most men die with prostate cancer, not becauce of it...........don't you think that selium will cause type 2 diabetics in men in treatment as well as prevention.



As far as flax seed, I'm not saying that its bad, in fact it has a lot of bulk. Also this doc said that chia seeds are better than flax, having 5 grains per table spoon.

Anyway as you can see, we are stirring up the food covered with flax and chia, with a springling of selium and vitamin e, topped with tomato sauce, along with a shot of pomograte juice on the rocks.

ira

I miss my single malt
Interesting and thanks for the reference…my doc follows varies University medical studies and said do not take a supplement for selenium because they think in some people it might cause accelerated tumor growth but it is an important element and I get mine from Brazilian nuts (I also eat walnuts and almonds)… My goal is to take little to no supplements and get most everything out of my diet and I am well on my way…

Got to believe in something but I also believe that I need a good steak once a month and my scotch (have not started that yet and probably will not unit after radiation or choice not do radiation-I miss my single malt

hopeful and optimistic

bdhilton said:

I miss my single malt
Interesting and thanks for the reference…my doc follows varies University medical studies and said do not take a supplement for selenium because they think in some people it might cause accelerated tumor growth but it is an important element and I get mine from Brazilian nuts (I also eat walnuts and almonds)… My goal is to take little to no supplements and get most everything out of my diet and I am well on my way…

Got to believe in something but I also believe that I need a good steak once a month and my scotch (have not started that yet and probably will not unit after radiation or choice not do radiation-I miss my single malt

investigational--walnuts slow prostate cancer growth
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/57701/title/Walnuts_slow_prostate_cancer_growth

randy_in_indy

bdhilton said:

I miss my single malt
Interesting and thanks for the reference…my doc follows varies University medical studies and said do not take a supplement for selenium because they think in some people it might cause accelerated tumor growth but it is an important element and I get mine from Brazilian nuts (I also eat walnuts and almonds)… My goal is to take little to no supplements and get most everything out of my diet and I am well on my way…

Got to believe in something but I also believe that I need a good steak once a month and my scotch (have not started that yet and probably will not unit after radiation or choice not do radiation-I miss my single malt

I have not taken Vitamins for my entire life
As a child my mother lived by the rule of "Moderation in All Things" She always had a very balanced meal 3 times a day. I just never took any supliments figured I got all I needed from the food I ate. I am told by most everyone I look much younger than I am...but that is probably genes and nothing more...have been fairly healthy with no major problems all my life until now....I had not seen a family doctor for 8 years. I am now changing my ways and seeing one every year whether I want to or not.

Exercise was my religion that made me feel I was indestructible...it worked for about 48 years!...then I got arthritis and old I guess

Randy in Indy

hopeful and optimistic

randy_in_indy said:

I have not taken Vitamins for my entire life
As a child my mother lived by the rule of "Moderation in All Things" She always had a very balanced meal 3 times a day. I just never took any supliments figured I got all I needed from the food I ate. I am told by most everyone I look much younger than I am...but that is probably genes and nothing more...have been fairly healthy with no major problems all my life until now....I had not seen a family doctor for 8 years. I am now changing my ways and seeing one every year whether I want to or not.

Exercise was my religion that made me feel I was indestructible...it worked for about 48 years!...then I got arthritis and old I guess

Randy in Indy

Many times less is better
It seems that in the last several years that we take pills for everything.......in fact we overdose on a lot of pills........vitamins,etc.

Dr. Moyad, the physician who specializes in nutrition for prostate that I have been quoting, recommends that we take a Flintstone or a childrens vitamin instead of regular vitamins for men.......He says we overdose on ingrediants, especially folic acid.

Ira

fjessup

see Jerry Brunetti site for extensive discussion of diet
http://1phil4everyill.wordpress.com/tag/jerry-brunetti/

See Jerry Brunetti for extensive discussion of diet by organic farmer who cured his metastasized non-hodgkins lymphoma with diet. Might apply to prostate also.