Knockout by Suzanne Somers---has anyone read book

Tinabug
Tinabug Member Posts: 158
edited March 2014 in Breast Cancer #1
When I was first diagnosed with bc, my bestfriend's husband sent this book to me. To be honest, I haven't read it, but I have skimmed through it. I was wondering if anyone has read it & actually does what it states to do. It is all so confusing...according to this book soy is bad for bc, but every other thing I read states it is good. I have been terrified of chemo...mainly, because I just don't know if it works. However, I have bc & I feel like I need to try everything possible. CONFUSED, CONFUSED, CONFUSED!!!!

Just wondering!!!

Hugs,
Tina

Comments

  • LadyParvati
    LadyParvati Member Posts: 328
    The Soy Issue
    Research is ongoing about the relationship between soy and cancer. Soy has components that act very much like hormones in the body, and a few studies have shown that those components are correlated with an increase in hormone-sensitive cancers. If your BC is hormone-sensitive, then you should probably avoid soy, and you may want to avoid soy anyway just to be on the safe side. However, it isn't clear that soy increases the occurrence (or recurrence) of hormone-negative cancers; it may be entirely unrelated to those.

    Have you discussed the Oncotype DX test with your doctors? It can help you make the decision about chemo by providing information about the potential benefit of chemo in relation to your cancer (either very little or a great deal). If your cancer is hormone-sensitive, you may be able to avoid chemo by taking Tamoxifen, but if your cancer is not hormone-sensitive, Tamoxifen will be of no benefit and chemo may really be necessary.

    You might want to pick up "Dr. Susan Love's Breast Book" and read the last chapters pertaining to cancer diagnosis and treatment. It offers very helpful explanations of the various terms, pathology reports, risks/benefits of various treatment options, and so on, and it can give you a good list of questions to ask your doctors to help you make your decisions.

    Good Luck!
    sandy
  • Dot53
    Dot53 Member Posts: 239 Member
    Tina
    I have read both her books, Knockout and Breakthrough.. and found them to be enlightening. I did not know I had cancer at the time. I was going through hot flashes and night sweats and a host of other things.. I wanted to try bio identical hormones as I could not take estrogen due to my strong family history of breast cancer.(turned out my cancer was estrogen and progesterone positive). It took some digging but I finally found a clinic locally and went about 4 times. My insurance covered 80% of the cost. I didn't get far enough along in my treatment before having to stop due to the breast cancer so I cannot say for certain that it helped me. I was on testosterone and progesterone when I was diagnosed. I think the book gives some good information but when it came to my breast cancer treatment my husband and I decided to go the traditional route... I like the idea of holistic treatment but am not sure if there has been enough studies done to prove that it works; it is not FDA approved. Also, it can be very expensive if your insurance doesn't cover it..

    Don't know if I helped or not..
  • TraciInLA
    TraciInLA Member Posts: 1,994 Member

    The Soy Issue
    Research is ongoing about the relationship between soy and cancer. Soy has components that act very much like hormones in the body, and a few studies have shown that those components are correlated with an increase in hormone-sensitive cancers. If your BC is hormone-sensitive, then you should probably avoid soy, and you may want to avoid soy anyway just to be on the safe side. However, it isn't clear that soy increases the occurrence (or recurrence) of hormone-negative cancers; it may be entirely unrelated to those.

    Have you discussed the Oncotype DX test with your doctors? It can help you make the decision about chemo by providing information about the potential benefit of chemo in relation to your cancer (either very little or a great deal). If your cancer is hormone-sensitive, you may be able to avoid chemo by taking Tamoxifen, but if your cancer is not hormone-sensitive, Tamoxifen will be of no benefit and chemo may really be necessary.

    You might want to pick up "Dr. Susan Love's Breast Book" and read the last chapters pertaining to cancer diagnosis and treatment. It offers very helpful explanations of the various terms, pathology reports, risks/benefits of various treatment options, and so on, and it can give you a good list of questions to ask your doctors to help you make your decisions.

    Good Luck!
    sandy

    Chiming in with LadyParvati on soy issue
    Hi, Tina -

    I've discussed The Soy Issue very directly with both my oncologist and a 2nd oncologist who is a breast cancer specialist, and my understanding is this:

    Women who live in countries where the diet includes lots of soy (such as Japan) have a lower occurrence of breast cancer than US women. BUT, this does not appear to be the case if you just start giving US adult women lots of soy, or for Japanese women who grow up in the US.

    Current theories for this lower rate of breast cancer in Japan is that the protective benefits of soy may come from 1) eating it before or during puberty, and/or 2) mothers eating it while pregnant with their daughters.

    But LadyParvati's right -- these are just theories, and research is still ongoing. Both the oncologists I asked told me the same thing: It's not necessary (and it's darn near impossible) to eliminate soy entirely from your diet. They told me to avoid soy-based foods such as soy milk, tofu, and edamame -- in other words, "don't go looking for soy." But, as my oncologist said, "If you have a little soy sauce on your Chinese food once in awhile, don't stress about it."

    Hope that helps,

    Traci
  • chenheart
    chenheart Member Posts: 5,159
    I did not read her books~ I
    I did not read her books~ I am very glad her treatment choices worked for her, but I have an unexplainable uneasy feeling about her. I am sure a lot of what she said is good advice, but I am more of a traditional girl coupled with the occasional supplement and I am a label reader as well.

    The sisters here are right about the Soy; the jury is out about if it is a good thing or bad after we have been diagnosed. Beforehand, it may indeed be a help, but in the body, soy mimics estrogen, and 75% of the cancers diagnosed are estrogen positive. Which means they feed on estrogen. The BC beast may not be able to tell if the estrogen in the body is natural, or soy-based, and in theory, could feed and thrive on soy.

    Again, there is not a 100% concensus on this; but many if not most of us shy away from large doses of soy. It is near impossible to keep it out of our diets altogether, but I dare say that most of us don't ADD soy to our smoothies, or order the miso soup or the soy-burger! Then again, some of us do!

    It is more of a "can't hurt, might help" situation! Because of this, our oncologists are just as divided on the subject as we are! Some tell us to avoid it as much as we can, and others say it doesn't factor in at all! Go figure! :-)


    Hugs,
    Chen♥
  • m_azingrace
    m_azingrace Member Posts: 399
    Dot53 said:

    Tina
    I have read both her books, Knockout and Breakthrough.. and found them to be enlightening. I did not know I had cancer at the time. I was going through hot flashes and night sweats and a host of other things.. I wanted to try bio identical hormones as I could not take estrogen due to my strong family history of breast cancer.(turned out my cancer was estrogen and progesterone positive). It took some digging but I finally found a clinic locally and went about 4 times. My insurance covered 80% of the cost. I didn't get far enough along in my treatment before having to stop due to the breast cancer so I cannot say for certain that it helped me. I was on testosterone and progesterone when I was diagnosed. I think the book gives some good information but when it came to my breast cancer treatment my husband and I decided to go the traditional route... I like the idea of holistic treatment but am not sure if there has been enough studies done to prove that it works; it is not FDA approved. Also, it can be very expensive if your insurance doesn't cover it..

    Don't know if I helped or not..

    My best advice:
    Keep an open mind, but don't let your brains fall out.

    The book gets mixed reviews. Some doctors believe the advice she gives is dangerous.
    Go to: www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2244
  • carkris
    carkris Member Posts: 4,553 Member
    chenheart said:

    I did not read her books~ I
    I did not read her books~ I am very glad her treatment choices worked for her, but I have an unexplainable uneasy feeling about her. I am sure a lot of what she said is good advice, but I am more of a traditional girl coupled with the occasional supplement and I am a label reader as well.

    The sisters here are right about the Soy; the jury is out about if it is a good thing or bad after we have been diagnosed. Beforehand, it may indeed be a help, but in the body, soy mimics estrogen, and 75% of the cancers diagnosed are estrogen positive. Which means they feed on estrogen. The BC beast may not be able to tell if the estrogen in the body is natural, or soy-based, and in theory, could feed and thrive on soy.

    Again, there is not a 100% concensus on this; but many if not most of us shy away from large doses of soy. It is near impossible to keep it out of our diets altogether, but I dare say that most of us don't ADD soy to our smoothies, or order the miso soup or the soy-burger! Then again, some of us do!

    It is more of a "can't hurt, might help" situation! Because of this, our oncologists are just as divided on the subject as we are! Some tell us to avoid it as much as we can, and others say it doesn't factor in at all! Go figure! :-)


    Hugs,
    Chen♥

    I just started reading the
    I just started reading the anticancer book book he does talk a bit about the soy issue. but I just started it but he mentions other herbs to add. ones I heard Dr. Oz mention. Right now I am just starting to research. For ahealthier lifestyle and for the cancer. All the info is so confusing. But I feel I need to make some changes. I have never liked the chemo but felt I didnt have a choice but to fight with everything we have. SS gives me the same feelings as Chen.
  • Tinabug
    Tinabug Member Posts: 158
    Thanks
    Hi,

    Thanks for all the replies. I was really just trying to find out if anyone has read her book & done anything it suggests. I don't really like soy so have no intentions of including it in my diet. I am just confused because her book states one thing & another states something else. Much like ya'll, I too, am going the conventional route. I'm just curious about other methods, but not brave enough to risk my life trying them. Not going to let curiosity get the best of in this situation.

    As always, thanks for your opinions & advice.

    Hugs,
    Tina
  • MAJW
    MAJW Member Posts: 2,510 Member
    Suzanne Sommers
    My personal opinion of her is this..........she wants to sell books......I have heard her speak several times and that is the conclusion I came to.......
  • chenheart
    chenheart Member Posts: 5,159
    Now I remember what "bugs"
    Now I remember what "bugs" me about SS!! One, she had a lumpectomy and radiation but credits the mistletoe injections with saving her life. But in my less than humble opinion, it was her reaction to the death of PAtrick Swayze which pushed me over the edge! She said it was chemo which killed him, and why didn't he just detox his system and live???? OMG! Sweet Patrick had stage 1V pancreatic cancer with liver mets, AND he lived for 20 months, thank you very much!!! How dare she???? That ranks right up there with Tom Cruise dissing the anti-depressants Brooke Shields was prescribed for post-partum depression....

    Ok, someone stop me! LOL

    HUgs,
    Chen♥
  • carkris
    carkris Member Posts: 4,553 Member
    chenheart said:

    Now I remember what "bugs"
    Now I remember what "bugs" me about SS!! One, she had a lumpectomy and radiation but credits the mistletoe injections with saving her life. But in my less than humble opinion, it was her reaction to the death of PAtrick Swayze which pushed me over the edge! She said it was chemo which killed him, and why didn't he just detox his system and live???? OMG! Sweet Patrick had stage 1V pancreatic cancer with liver mets, AND he lived for 20 months, thank you very much!!! How dare she???? That ranks right up there with Tom Cruise dissing the anti-depressants Brooke Shields was prescribed for post-partum depression....

    Ok, someone stop me! LOL

    HUgs,
    Chen♥

    why should we stop you? you
    why should we stop you? you are making sense!!!1
  • teresa41
    teresa41 Member Posts: 471
    carkris said:

    why should we stop you? you
    why should we stop you? you are making sense!!!1

    patrick swayze
    that is a very good book by the way the time of my life by patrick swayze just thought i would mention that.suzanne somers i will be kind no comment!


    :0) teresa
  • Rague
    Rague Member Posts: 3,653 Member
    Haven't read the book but I
    Haven't read the book but I did hear her on some talk radio shows, hawking her book. She(and the Dr. with her) came across as 'snake oil salesmen' to me. Reminded me of all the hype about Laetril years ago.
  • Mama G
    Mama G Member Posts: 762
    Rague said:

    Haven't read the book but I
    Haven't read the book but I did hear her on some talk radio shows, hawking her book. She(and the Dr. with her) came across as 'snake oil salesmen' to me. Reminded me of all the hype about Laetril years ago.

    I just saw her on tv and didn't care for her opinion on chemo
    with all of us fighting for our lives we don't need to hear someone say we're wasting our time. Too many survivors, including my oncologist, a 17 year survivor, who took the same treatments we're all taking - a/c and taxol. I agree that there are other things we can do and I plan on doing just that when this is done, but until they come up with something better the Chemo is the best course to follow in my opinion.
  • boppel
    boppel Member Posts: 26
    Suzanne Somers
    Hi, I watched her on TV pitching her book and other things. I did not read the book, I feel like all the othershere on this board, the treatment she chose worked for her, also she has the money to back everything and I am sure she gets herself checked with all the traditional methods by her doctor. I would rather spend the money on Dr.Susan Love Breastbook, it has the most information about anything you want to know about BC, before , during and after treatment. It was my "bible", it is written in simple understandable language and it is updated as time goes by. My book dates to 1998. I have had BC twice, two different types, surgeries, chemo and radiation. As much as I would like NOT to put chemo into my body, it is proven to work, I am still here and cancer free. Her remark about Patrick Swayze is not acceptable. She is not a doctor. Tinabug Go with your gut, trust your doctors. Take care....hugs
    Emmi