Has anyone tried a diet vs. Chemo

serrana

elizabethgd said:

healthy food
I have just completed chemo and radiation..My disgestive abilities are shot...my stomach is miserable...And .I am trying to figure out what I can eat during this time..things that my system will handle, since i have been radiated and chemo and all digestive enzymes etc are gone...I have been told to eat bland...avoid whole grains, vegies, etc.. Does anyone have suggestions of what I should eat during this "after chemo radiation time" while things are trying to heal..bread?? vegies? greens? juices? or just oatmeal noodles and broth..

healthy food post rad/chemo
My digestive system was really trashed by radiation and chemo,I became gluten and lactose intolerant and had diahreha, cramps, bowel obstructions etc..... the docs said "Eat a balanced diet"....yeah right. Here is what worked for me:multivitamin chewable by Forvia, probiotics, prebiotics, digestive enzymes, ( Jarro, Culturelle, Garden of Life brands) 2 quarts of water a day minimum, peppermint tea and capsules,
no nonsoluble fiber only soluble fiber up to 20 grams a day ( check out www.helpforibs.com and get the acacia fiber or use apple pectin tablets )no raw veggies, no raw fruit, no fructose, no fat ( no fried stuff, red meat, chicken skin, darkmeat chicken) no milk products no gluten products no preservatives, no sugar,no additives, no sugar substitutes no coffee no alchohol...Yikes it is awful, huh. This plan does work.
So what do I eat? rice cereal ( Ewehorn organic rice cereal) , banana, soy milk, rice flour pancakes/waffles ( try TraderJoe's gluten free mix) applesauce.....for breakfast; white meat chicken or white fish, rice, cooked veggies for lunch and dinner Very boring but it works. After a couple of months add nonsoluble fiber up to 23 grams a day ( Metamusil, Flax seed, etc)It took me many months to heal up my digestive system.......keep trying, you'll get there.
Serrana

kuastoi

Juicing details....
How did you organize juicing 3 quarts a day? What knd of supplies did you need daily and did you juice it all at once or multiple times?

mono5

In case your wondering......
about the real value of flaxseed oil and escential oils , I think they can be beneficial in the omega 3 and omega 6 catagory, especially from an organic source against cancer. Heres an audio you can listen to on the subject.... click on Replay : Prof. Brian Peskin (Cancer), as you scroll down at this link:
http://www.republicmagazine.com/webinar/previous.htm

I diden't do chemo either! I'm eight years cancer free. Juicing and raw foods do make a difference! Herbs and detoxing are also key, especially the medicinal mushrooms with AHCC.

Check out this video from David Wolfe http://www.longevitynowprogram.com/immunitynow2.html

scouty

kuastoi said:

Juicing details....
How did you organize juicing 3 quarts a day? What knd of supplies did you need daily and did you juice it all at once or multiple times?

I'm sure Emily will respond too
Until then, you never juice more than what you are going to drink in a single serving and you need to drink it within 15 minutes to take advantage of the live enzymes (they start to die pretty quickly). I never had "leftovers". I justs drank however much was made 12-16 oz twice a day (Em followed a different regime). Clean up right away so it is the quickest and easiest. I juiced 1/4 carrots, cabbage, beets, and celery. I would buy them fresh 3 times a week. After a week or so I got the routine down so that from start (getting the veggies out of the fridge) to finish (after washing up and whipping all the counters down) in 15 minutes.

Other than the juices and fresh veggies, all I needed were a few containers (any you already have will do) to catch the juice and another for the pulp.

Hope this helps,

Lisa P.

elizabethgd

serrana said:

healthy food post rad/chemo
My digestive system was really trashed by radiation and chemo,I became gluten and lactose intolerant and had diahreha, cramps, bowel obstructions etc..... the docs said "Eat a balanced diet"....yeah right. Here is what worked for me:multivitamin chewable by Forvia, probiotics, prebiotics, digestive enzymes, ( Jarro, Culturelle, Garden of Life brands) 2 quarts of water a day minimum, peppermint tea and capsules,
no nonsoluble fiber only soluble fiber up to 20 grams a day ( check out www.helpforibs.com and get the acacia fiber or use apple pectin tablets )no raw veggies, no raw fruit, no fructose, no fat ( no fried stuff, red meat, chicken skin, darkmeat chicken) no milk products no gluten products no preservatives, no sugar,no additives, no sugar substitutes no coffee no alchohol...Yikes it is awful, huh. This plan does work.
So what do I eat? rice cereal ( Ewehorn organic rice cereal) , banana, soy milk, rice flour pancakes/waffles ( try TraderJoe's gluten free mix) applesauce.....for breakfast; white meat chicken or white fish, rice, cooked veggies for lunch and dinner Very boring but it works. After a couple of months add nonsoluble fiber up to 23 grams a day ( Metamusil, Flax seed, etc)It took me many months to heal up my digestive system.......keep trying, you'll get there.
Serrana

thanks

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2bhealed

kuastoi said:

Juicing details....
How did you organize juicing 3 quarts a day? What knd of supplies did you need daily and did you juice it all at once or multiple times?

The Gerson Method
According to the grand pooh-bah of juicing, Max Gerson, for cancer healing his protocol calls for 12 8oz glasses of freshly juiced veggies during the course of the day. As a mother of 5 who ran a farm ministry and homeschooled 3 of those 5 and was nursing a 2 year old (at the time) I combined my juicing into 3 1 qt (mason) jars per day along with my macrobiotic vegan diet. It was not the optimal way to do it, but it worked for me and my schedule. Actually I put my family to work and didn't do the juicing (sometimes) so I could focus on healing and not working. Healing cancer for me was a FULL TIME JOB! My Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioner did not like me drinking those 1 qt jars of juice. For her it was too "cold and wet".

I bought 25# bags of juicing carrots from my coop and then made twice weekly trips to the coop for ORGANIC kale and spinach and parsley etc.

I NEVER juiced ahead and saved it. I drank it as it was juiced like scouty said. You need the benefit of the LIVE ENZYMES to heal the cancer. That's the whole point aside from the wonderful alkalizing affect the fresh veggie juice has. Drinking bottled pasteurized juice is just drinking vitamin sugar.

Hope that helps.

peace, emily

2bhealed

2bhealed said:

The Gerson Method
According to the grand pooh-bah of juicing, Max Gerson, for cancer healing his protocol calls for 12 8oz glasses of freshly juiced veggies during the course of the day. As a mother of 5 who ran a farm ministry and homeschooled 3 of those 5 and was nursing a 2 year old (at the time) I combined my juicing into 3 1 qt (mason) jars per day along with my macrobiotic vegan diet. It was not the optimal way to do it, but it worked for me and my schedule. Actually I put my family to work and didn't do the juicing (sometimes) so I could focus on healing and not working. Healing cancer for me was a FULL TIME JOB! My Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioner did not like me drinking those 1 qt jars of juice. For her it was too "cold and wet".

I bought 25# bags of juicing carrots from my coop and then made twice weekly trips to the coop for ORGANIC kale and spinach and parsley etc.

I NEVER juiced ahead and saved it. I drank it as it was juiced like scouty said. You need the benefit of the LIVE ENZYMES to heal the cancer. That's the whole point aside from the wonderful alkalizing affect the fresh veggie juice has. Drinking bottled pasteurized juice is just drinking vitamin sugar.

Hope that helps.

peace, emily

p.s.
I also added flax seed, protein powder, green powder and fractionated pectin. My Naturopathic Doctor had me take the pectin saying it was like spraying the invisible man (the cancer cells) so that the body could recognize the cancer and kill it. I'm not doing a good explaining job. But somehow the pectin adhered to the cancer cells (if there were any) and allowed the body to see them where before they would have been "invisible" and the body wouldn't have recognized them as something to kill off. Am I making any sense?

The green powder was anything with wheat grass and barley grass etc.

I now use a fabulous vegan protein powder by NOW that is full of goodies and TONS of fiber!

peace, emily

serrana

2bhealed said:

The Gerson Method
According to the grand pooh-bah of juicing, Max Gerson, for cancer healing his protocol calls for 12 8oz glasses of freshly juiced veggies during the course of the day. As a mother of 5 who ran a farm ministry and homeschooled 3 of those 5 and was nursing a 2 year old (at the time) I combined my juicing into 3 1 qt (mason) jars per day along with my macrobiotic vegan diet. It was not the optimal way to do it, but it worked for me and my schedule. Actually I put my family to work and didn't do the juicing (sometimes) so I could focus on healing and not working. Healing cancer for me was a FULL TIME JOB! My Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioner did not like me drinking those 1 qt jars of juice. For her it was too "cold and wet".

I bought 25# bags of juicing carrots from my coop and then made twice weekly trips to the coop for ORGANIC kale and spinach and parsley etc.

I NEVER juiced ahead and saved it. I drank it as it was juiced like scouty said. You need the benefit of the LIVE ENZYMES to heal the cancer. That's the whole point aside from the wonderful alkalizing affect the fresh veggie juice has. Drinking bottled pasteurized juice is just drinking vitamin sugar.

Hope that helps.

peace, emily

juicing.......
I so believe in your juice method but cannot deal w/ the diarrhea that raw veggies result in
I am 3 months post chemo.....what is your word on this issue?
Serrana

Paula G.

mono5 said:

In case your wondering......
about the real value of flaxseed oil and escential oils , I think they can be beneficial in the omega 3 and omega 6 catagory, especially from an organic source against cancer. Heres an audio you can listen to on the subject.... click on Replay : Prof. Brian Peskin (Cancer), as you scroll down at this link:
http://www.republicmagazine.com/webinar/previous.htm

I diden't do chemo either! I'm eight years cancer free. Juicing and raw foods do make a difference! Herbs and detoxing are also key, especially the medicinal mushrooms with AHCC.

Check out this video from David Wolfe http://www.longevitynowprogram.com/immunitynow2.html

Wow
My husband and I are just new at this and have started checking things out. What was your DX? Lisa P. and Emily have been so much help. We are readig and trying to absorb as much as we can. We are getting off sugar at the end of this month. Putting everything in place after that. It isn't going to be easy but if it will save his life or even make it more chronic and feel beeter that will be a big plus. Thanks for the info. Paula G.

2bhealed

serrana said:

juicing.......
I so believe in your juice method but cannot deal w/ the diarrhea that raw veggies result in
I am 3 months post chemo.....what is your word on this issue?
Serrana

Probiotics?
Hi Serrana,

Not being a professional I'm not sure about raw and diarrhea, but I know that probiotics help me balance my gut flora and can help with the diarrhea. Also, I have found taking digestive enzymes with my meals has really helped. Worth a try on both accounts. Udo's makes an excellent probiotic and I use NOW digestive enzymes.

Hope this helps.

peace, emily

faithhopelove1

2bhealed said:

HERE I AM!
Hello semi-colons.

I am currently out of town and don't have access to a computer very easily. I am traveling today, work tomorrow (wednesday) and will post here on thursday.

I NEVER DID ANY CHEMO EVER NEVER. I did surgery. I do western diagnostics and Eastern healing.

I did my healing post surgery ALL WITH DIET AND SUPPLEMENTS and a ton of other stuff but NOTHING conventional. You can read my story on my web page here.

Alright. I have to hit the road now. I have an 8 hour road trip ahead of me.

Will check in in a couple of days. Until then KEEP JUICING!!

peace, emily the juice chick

web page
Can someone give me 2bhealed web page?

Thanks.

scouty

faithhopelove1 said:

web page
Can someone give me 2bhealed web page?

Thanks.

Click her picture below
clicking her avatar takes you right to her webpage.

steven12

scouty said:

I'm sure Emily will respond too
Until then, you never juice more than what you are going to drink in a single serving and you need to drink it within 15 minutes to take advantage of the live enzymes (they start to die pretty quickly). I never had "leftovers". I justs drank however much was made 12-16 oz twice a day (Em followed a different regime). Clean up right away so it is the quickest and easiest. I juiced 1/4 carrots, cabbage, beets, and celery. I would buy them fresh 3 times a week. After a week or so I got the routine down so that from start (getting the veggies out of the fridge) to finish (after washing up and whipping all the counters down) in 15 minutes.

Other than the juices and fresh veggies, all I needed were a few containers (any you already have will do) to catch the juice and another for the pulp.

Hope this helps,

Lisa P.

Question to "scouty"
As the CEA is a good indicator for you, as it is for me, have you ever noticed after the chemo, that some specific diet is actually reducing your CEA? Thanks and all the Best wishes to everybody
Steven

scouty

steven12 said:

Question to "scouty"
As the CEA is a good indicator for you, as it is for me, have you ever noticed after the chemo, that some specific diet is actually reducing your CEA? Thanks and all the Best wishes to everybody
Steven

Hi Steven
I have to say that I didn't really get serious about my diet until I stopped chemo and after 6 months I watched it go down from 5.1 to 2.5 on a 90% alkaline diet and taking several supplements to boost my immune system (astragulas, zinc, b complex multivitamin, modified citric pectin, manganese)..sorry those are the ones I remember off the top of my head. I also juiced twice a day.

My oncologist never had a problem with vitamins, minerals, herbs etc and I quote "I have never read any study that supports they impede the effectiveness of the chemo you are doing". My own research only found a few studies that were all funded by pharmaceutical companies and I don't trust them at all.

I'm not sure I answered your question so please let me know if you have more questions.

Take care!!

Lisa P.

steven12

scouty said:

Hi Steven
I have to say that I didn't really get serious about my diet until I stopped chemo and after 6 months I watched it go down from 5.1 to 2.5 on a 90% alkaline diet and taking several supplements to boost my immune system (astragulas, zinc, b complex multivitamin, modified citric pectin, manganese)..sorry those are the ones I remember off the top of my head. I also juiced twice a day.

My oncologist never had a problem with vitamins, minerals, herbs etc and I quote "I have never read any study that supports they impede the effectiveness of the chemo you are doing". My own research only found a few studies that were all funded by pharmaceutical companies and I don't trust them at all.

I'm not sure I answered your question so please let me know if you have more questions.

Take care!!

Lisa P.

To "scouty"
Thank you Lisa. I thought your CEA was higher when you stopped the chemo and that you had a chance to check it regularly after you started with the special diet. So it is not quite sure is your cancer was disappearing from the chemo only or the diet and supplements. Supposedly these helped not to have a recurrence.
Best wishes
Steven

Zoe2

2bhealed said:

HERE I AM!
Hello semi-colons.

I am currently out of town and don't have access to a computer very easily. I am traveling today, work tomorrow (wednesday) and will post here on thursday.

I NEVER DID ANY CHEMO EVER NEVER. I did surgery. I do western diagnostics and Eastern healing.

I did my healing post surgery ALL WITH DIET AND SUPPLEMENTS and a ton of other stuff but NOTHING conventional. You can read my story on my web page here.

Alright. I have to hit the road now. I have an 8 hour road trip ahead of me.

Will check in in a couple of days. Until then KEEP JUICING!!

peace, emily the juice chick

No Chemo
Emily, I had stage III colon cancer with 2 positive nodes. But I got sick during surgery, severe septic shock, multi organ failure, lung collapse, heart failure, 40 pounds of fluid overload, kidney failure... on and on. I was in the hospital over 3 weeks, and when I got out, I had MRSA for 5 months. The doctors told me chemo would kill me. They said I was way too sick. I did some of the juicing for a while, don't know if it helped, but it didn't kill me. So far, nearly 3 years later, still doing well (as far as cancer goes), but I still have a lot of pain I can't control. Doctors seem to think it's a mystery, although from what I read, it is very common. I have also had a lot of docs give me a hard time for not getting chemo, even though the cancer doctor said it would kill me (95% chance of death). So good for you to choose and stand by what you think it right. You researched (as I did), you had your personal experienced, and you elected what to do with your body. Fortunately, we still can select what to do with our bodies.

Sigma34

Hi,
I'm almost 42 years old.
Hi,
I'm almost 42 years old. I've been a vegetarian my entire life and an avid juicer since I was about 13. I don't eat dairy and make my own almond milk, etc...so, I'm not completely sold on the whole diet thing. I will continue to eat the way that I do because I enjoy it. Who knows, maybe my cancer would of been much worse had I not eaten the way that I do.

I'm undecided.

2bhealed

Zoe2 said:

No Chemo
Emily, I had stage III colon cancer with 2 positive nodes. But I got sick during surgery, severe septic shock, multi organ failure, lung collapse, heart failure, 40 pounds of fluid overload, kidney failure... on and on. I was in the hospital over 3 weeks, and when I got out, I had MRSA for 5 months. The doctors told me chemo would kill me. They said I was way too sick. I did some of the juicing for a while, don't know if it helped, but it didn't kill me. So far, nearly 3 years later, still doing well (as far as cancer goes), but I still have a lot of pain I can't control. Doctors seem to think it's a mystery, although from what I read, it is very common. I have also had a lot of docs give me a hard time for not getting chemo, even though the cancer doctor said it would kill me (95% chance of death). So good for you to choose and stand by what you think it right. You researched (as I did), you had your personal experienced, and you elected what to do with your body. Fortunately, we still can select what to do with our bodies.

AWESOME!
A Chemo-less Compadre! Hello Zoe2. Have you tried acupuncture for your pain? Perhaps your body is dealing with some energy blockages and the acupuncture could help the body to heal. Way to go on your three years! My oncologist told me that if colon cancer patients make it 3 years with no recurrence, then your chances go waaaaaay down. yea!

Yes, thank goodness I was over 18 and could choose what chemicals to put into my body unlike the boy from MN who had to get chemo under court order. ugh.

peace, emily

HANRSC

Shayenne said:

My doctor....
...put me on no special diet, didn't tell me what to eat or not eat, she did say to maybe take a multivitamin, and that's about it, and told me it didn't matter was eaten, as long as I start gaining weight, she would be happy!

Emily (2BHealed) has been NED for 7.5 years with just juicing and her diet, I don't know how to juice, or what to use, so I don't do it, but hopefully she'll come in here to tell you about it, or you look for her posts, doing a member search ot something. To me, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't, since I know people who ate well, and still are struggling with cancer, I eat normal things, I like my chicken and turkey, and salads, but it's always interesting in what Emily has to say that helped her stay cancer-free for so long...

Now where is she... EMILY!! you're needed!!!

Hugsss!
~Donns

Hello Sayenne
I was diagnosis with Stage IV in 2006. During Chemo I search the web for info pro and con concerning diet. After Chemo I received consultation from two dieticians…one revealed that her husband was a longtime cancer survivor. These sessions provided reassurance concerning diet as Complimentary Therapy...no red meat, fiber based foods, etc. What a blessing for you NED for 7.5 years...were you Stage IV?

Regards,

Charles