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Olle
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Hi

I looking for people that have been cured whith holistic approach ? Or test it and failed.

 

Thanks!

Olle

ps

my english is maybe not perfect...I am from sweden.

Twinzma
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Sorry that you have found yourself here. My husband is using traditional medicine so I can not contribute to the holistic method. I just wanted to say that I would be very weary of methodologies that are out there on the web. There are many MANY crazy "natural" cures that are completley bogus and could hinder keeping the cancer under control. Use caution, use your common sense and most of all stay safe.

 

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Sorry but you'll probaby get no responses due to the fact that if they did that they're probably gone now.

Jan

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I search informations for my sister (42, 4 st. CC). I have read stories when people used holistic methods (accupuncture, qigong, mindfulness, laugh yoga and etc.) together with traditional medicine. And some people claim that they also used bitter wildly grow plants like dandelion, milk thistle,arugula and edible wild mushrooms and etc. it helped them  more than just chemo or radiation and they keep cancer under control for many years. my sister has her chemo but uses holistic and herbal medicine either. currently results are not bad. 

Olle
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Hi Gul1976

What do you mean by : (42, 4 st. CC). ?

If you want I can send the most potent holistic metod I found? I already spend hundreds of hour to study this "djungle" of information.

You can find a lot of holistic survivers on internet but I want to get in contact whith this people to confirm that it really work and get more detailed information and idealy if they have cure sumilar cancer that I have.

 

Olle

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(42, 4 st. CC)  is 42 years old, Stage 4 colon cancer. I just wrote it shortly.  The same here, I didn't find real people just stories from internet. Some stories when people tell that holistic and alternative methods combined with traditional medicine give results and they keep the cancer under control.  

Olle
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Hi

I have also Stage 4 colon cancer whith metastases in my lung.I am just turn 50 and was diagnosed 2015.
I have done surgery in colon and my lungs + 4 rounds of chemo, but it did not kill the metastases, and chemo is a HELL for me + I suffer of bieffects of the chemo , sooooo tired of the chemo!!

So I start doubt if chemo will help me so last 6 month I study holistic option many hours everyday. I have change my diet, I think most people will benefit whith better food(I am sure that is the couse to cancer) but I still not know what "cure" method I should choose.

This is the top potent based on my stydy : (method backed by clinical studies )

-Mistle toe Helixor (IV)
-Cannabis oil
-Laetrile(B17 or Amygdalin) / apricot kernel (IV)
-Beta Glucan   Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxdBOoLMONI

But it hard to find real people to contact and talk,discuss whith!! To get real eveidence and the real story from people that choose the holisitc way.

I have listen,watch at least hundred interview here: https://www.chrisbeatcancer.com/

 

 

I beleive the best traditonal treat is  a stam cell "operation" should be the best , but very new tech and very hard to find...

 

Best Olle

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My sister is fit and always watched her diet, no family issue. She got it  possibly because of her offen work travels (radiation exposure during security prosedures or flight itself.)and stress, none know. She is in the begining of her treatment with chemo. She has liver mets. She chews apricot kernels, she includes in her diet  some wildly grown bitter (not spicy)plants like arugula,dandelion, milk thistle . I personally believe that all things in nature cure and all medicine only covers the sickness.  There are lot of discussions around  about apricot kernels even in this forum, some people claim that they are poisonous and some tell the poison in seeds only attacks the cancer.  Some woman in this forum took them regularly, she is a survivor . I don't remember her name .  Maybe some people who in this forum for a long can help or with search about apricot kernels you can find these discussions. It's still argumentative which is really better supplements and extracts or kernels , plants itself? probably kernels or plants are safer than unknown brand of supplements. Some people tell that they benefited from edible wild mushrooms . So many people talk they got well or have the cancer under control thanks to natural way, no doubts,  there are some true stories I believe, not everything is false or fake. 

stay positive and strong, get well soon. 

 

Olle
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Hi

I also excersice for 25year,eat normal, not fat but I also have several company, travel and fly a lot and constant stress for over 25 years that I think is the couse of my cancer.

If know 2 years ago that my cancer was slow progress I would try holistic , if it do not work then you can still go back to chemo.
The problem is what method to choose ? This is my problem, I have study a lot of most of the knowned option but now I try to find the real people that really try it and know the result.

 

Olle

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BRHMichigan
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I am a big believer in using Mistletoe and have been injecting it in my abdomen since December 2017.  At the very least my quality of life has improved so much. It has not yet cured my cancer, but natural methods can take a longer time. 

I also recommend reading tge book Radical Remission. It's very inspirational. I am at a point where I may abandon chemo. I don't like the risk involved. Best wishes.

Olle
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Very interesting! can you give more details? Do you frequently pet scan to follow the development ?

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I get CT scans every 3 months and determine my treatment based on these scans. I fell and broke my hip bone so can't do any chemo until the bone heals. Will be interesting to see what happens.

Olle
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So you did CT scan this year some month after you start your treatment ? 
I consider this theraphy so very interested in to see if you can see any trend ?

optimist777
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Olle, there is not much info in your post, but I do think it is possible to come back from stage4.  I highly recommend that you try conventional treatment the first year, with surgery and chemo.  However, if the cancer comes back, I think that making radical lifestyle changes can make an enormous difference.  I once saw a documentary on CNN that had a big impact on my thought process.  This guy with terminal cancer basically left for a Greek island to end his life in peace, but somehow the tumors shrunk and and body magically healed itself from cancer.  It basically came down to him making the change to a super low stress lifestyle, eating lots of vegetables, exercise, fish, laughter with friends and family, and sunshine. 

I personally was told flat out five months ago by several oncologists I had less then three months to live unless I left for a big research hospital and enrolled in an experimental trial.  I chose not to and moved to Hawaii, and so far have lived past five months on no chemo-- and I feel better then ever.  I'm  definitely not cured, but my pain is down quite a bit and I'm much more active then I was six months ago.  I actually feel like it is possible to beat this disease without chemo.  My biggest suggestion for anyone is to not underestimate stress-- in my opinion it has a very toxic effect on cancer patients.  Things like yogo and breathing exercises are much more powerful then most realize.  I think the hardest problem many of us have is financial, and it just isn't easy to make radical life style moves, even when faced with terminal cancer-- but it is essential to get in an environment that makes you happy.  Stay positive, and I'm thinking of you.

Olle
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Hi

I agree and I also are sure holistic way  can work.!     I did 2 surgery and 4 rounds of chemo over 2,5 year.   But I still not start any holistic treatment but I change my diet this year after I study this.

What I want is find pepole that tried the holistic approach. I think its very important to try to proove what approach do work and what approach not work by find the people that try it.

 

The so called "western" diet we all are a victim under its a joke!! The cronical sicness problem have just explode under the last 30-40 year.

See this Interview Dr. Michael Greger : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Olll-NpBBI

And this "how to win the war on cancer" :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_C26gt1LbA    Claim that chemo is really bad in terms of 5 year survival rate.

 

Twinzma
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I think you may be treading on thin ice. If there were a holistic cure then there would be no cancer victims as word of the cure would spread like wildfires. PLEASE be careful Olle this is your life you are playing with. Since it is your life, if you want to play hocus pocus then all your affairs best be in order and all your goodbyes been said because I am afarid that you will run out of time and will be too late for conventional medicine. Sorry to be so blunt but time is of the essence in treatment. 

PLEASE don't look at the survival rate numbers they are old, included all ages and all other causes of death. Those statistics are wrong so so WRONG you have proof here on this site that many are not falling victim like the stastics read. Be careful Olle, please be very careful. You are in my prayers. 

 

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interesting article. http://www.journeythroughcancer.org/FlowerEssences.html

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We combined daily, oral 5FU based chemo with various heavy duty supplements, often based on extensive, continued test results along the way, along with cimetidine and/or celecoxib.   We did not achieve full control of cells (lab tests) or in vivo marker rises with either chemo alone or alternatives alone.   

Our therapeutic trial series were based on various medical papers, doctors and Life Extension Foundation recommendations.   Specific nutrients can help various aspects of cancer or cancer treatment.  

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Advances in modern medicine have forever changed the shape of cures for disease, human health and well-being. Consider that less than a century ago, the average person in a developed country usually didn’t live to see their 60th birthday. Now, it’s common for people to live longer than 80 years old.

But we’re facing a big problem: the over-prescribing of possibly dangerous and addictive medications. Additionally, the United States healthcare system encourages doctors, hospitals, and insurance companies to order more tests (e.g., CAT scans, blood count tests, etc.). For this reason, many people undergo procedures that they often do not need.

It wasn’t always this way. In many places around the world, it is still an unacceptable practice. Today, we’re going to discuss 25 ancient medical cures that most people have forgotten, including procedures and also herbs/spices. You may find it surprising that people still use many of these cures today, especially those in the “herbs and spices” section of this article.

HERE ARE 25 ANCIENT MEDICAL CURES THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN!

PROCEDURES

ACUPUNCTURE:

Modern research is starting to – albeit reluctantly – attest to the effectiveness of acupuncture. The ancient science of acupuncture has roots in China, beginning as far back as 6000 BCE!

FECAL TRANSPLANT:

“The Chinese were the first to recognize that changing the bacterial flora of the colon could be a beneficial treatment,” says Dr. Bret Lasner, a gastroenterologist at the Cleveland Clinic. Gross? Yes. Effective? Absolutely.

LEECH THERAPY:

Records show that leech therapy dates back over 3,500 years to the ancient Egyptians. Today, leeches serve as an anticoagulant (blood thinner). They also boost blood circulation.

MAGGOT THERAPY:

The use of maggots to heal wounds has been around for centuries. Military surgeons during the Civil War observed that soldiers treated with maggots for injuries sustained in combat had a lower mortality rate. Today, the therapy primarily treats soft tissue and skin trauma.

TREPANATION:

Certainly, this one’s a bit freaky. Back in the days o’ yore, “doctors” drilled a hole in the skull with the purpose of … get this … releasing evil spirits. Well, thankfully, trepanation now involves state-of-the-art surgical tools – and only to relieve pressure in the skull.

CATHETERIZATION:

Catheterization involves a tube inserted into the urethra, traditionally done to allow an immobile person to urinate. Back in medieval times, catheterization was used much more often due to the widespread occurrence of bladder and kidney stones, syphilis, and other diseases. And they used metal! Uh, no thanks!

CESARIAN SECTION:

The oft-practiced Cesarian section (or “C-section”) originated way back in around 320 B.C. Of course, the procedure has evolved – and for the better. Today, nearly one-third of all babies are delivered via c-section. The mortality rate of the delivering mother has also plummeted.

HERBS AND SPICES USED AS MEDICAL CURES

Many of the herbs and spices you will find on this list were first used by Native Americans and practitioners of traditional Chinese medicine (TCM). Many of these natural remedies have since been proven by medical research as effective alternative treatments. One example? This little-known cure, aspirin, which is contained within walnut crust!

ALFALFA:

Rich in vitamins A, C, E, and K, alfalfa helps reduce symptoms of asthma, arthritis, bleeding disorders, high cholesterol, and an upset stomach.

ALOE VERA:

Among the oldest medicinal plants in recorded history, Aloe Vera contains a myriad of amino acids, enzymes, minerals, and vitamins. It aids and promotes digestion, nutrient absorption, and skin health.

BEE POLLEN:

Packed with just about every healthy mineral in existence, pollen serves as a potent antibacterial, antifungal, and antiviral agent. It can also help lower cholesterol, reduce inflammation, and protect cellular bodies.

BLACKBERRY:

Oft-used as an ingredient to make tea, blackberries aid in the treatment of diarrhea and inflammation.

CHAMOMILE:

Some tea drinkers swear by it, and for a good reason. Chamomile does a bit of everything, including treat the common cold, reduce stress, and fight the aging process.

CURCUMIN:

More and more research points to curcumin (found in turmeric) as an effective treatment for gut-related disorders. Curcumin also demonstrates BDNF growth properties, which researchers say may help delay or prevent the onset of dementia.

ECHINACEA:

Another tea ingredient, Native Americans first discovered the benefits of echinacea. Some evidence suggests that it may be elemental in strengthening the immune system.

ELDERBERRY:

Now manufactured mostly as a tincture, elderberry chiefly helps to treat respiratory illnesses. Studies show that the chemicals within elderberry effectively relieve nasal congestion. They also have potent antioxidant properties, which serve to protect our trillions of cells.

GINGER:

Besides making for one killer cup of tea, ginger has some Grade-A benefits. It contains anti-cancer, anti-inflammatory, and antioxidant properties. It also sharpens cognition and oosts metabolism!

GINGKO:

Gingko is probably the oldest item on this list, dating all the way back to when dinosaurs (yes, dinosaurs!) roamed the earth. A star in Chinese medicine, gingko biloba promotes healthy blood circulation. Additionally, it is touted for its brain benefits.

GINSENG:

Another favorite tea ingredient, its proponents believe ginseng boosts energy, reduces blood sugar, lowers cholesterol levels, fights stress, enhances brain function, and even treats erectile dysfunction.

GOTU KOLA:

Used for thousands of years in China, India, and Indonesia, Gotu kola is often paired with gingko biloba to sharpen mental clarity. Legend has it that a Chinese herbalist who took this combo on the regular lived for more than 200 years! (Uhm…)

HONEYSUCKLE:

Because of its use in various digestive and respiratory disorders, you can think of honeysuckle as a jack-of-all-trades. Additionally, it’s even used as an aromatherapy agent.

MINT:

First of all, mint is fantastic as a reliever of intestinal discomfort. It also serves a double role in the gut by promoting digestion. Recent research suggest that mint may also have a positive impact on brain health and function.

MULLEIN:

Mullein was a plant that found extensive use in Native American culture. The natives primarily used it to treat respiratory disorders and inflammation.

ROSEMARY:

A favorite of aromatherapists, rosemary supposedly boosts metabolism, improves circulation, and also treats inflammation.

SAGE:

Besides acting as a natural insect repellent, sage also purportedly treats digestive disorders. Many also use it in the prevention and treatment of respiratory illnesses, including the common cold.

VALERIAN:

Valerian root is known for its ability to help relieve feelings of stress and anxiety. Aside from its positive effects on the nerves, Valerian may help alleviate muscle pain.

https://www.powerofpositivity.com/ancient-medical-cures/

optimist777
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https://csn.cancer.org/user/75969/blog

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Olle,   

I've made a few posts on metabolic therapies which have some level of evidence (tested in animals, small human studies, and biological explanations) to support their use.   

You might use the "Search CSN Content" feature (upper right on page) and look for:

Dawn Lemanne

Colin Champ

Valter Longo

Tom Seyfried

Press Pulse

Brent Reynolds 

Patricia Daly

Miriam kalamian

EGCG 

sulphorafane

curcumin

Walnuts

One overlap in the variations in dietary therpies which are being explored by several researchers is to limit or remove simple carbohydrates (and possibly starches) and excess protein from the diet as these increase growth factors which can aids tumor growth.  Some level of fasting or modest calorie restriction might be layered over the dietary changes for a day or so prior to each chemo or radiation treatment.  There are versions of the ketogenic diet which have been tailored for cancer patients to ensure the patient has a high quality diet which minimizes insulin stimulation. 

A number of food substannces also have some level of evidence.  Listed above.   Should be links to the evidence in the posts.   

Excerice and stress redcution are also important. 

If you have not learned how to use PubMed (to search teh NIH library of medicine) or google scholar suggest to learn as they can help you avoid a lot of wasted time using normal google search feature.

Peter

 

Olle
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Big thanks for the info, I will explore this....

Sorry for your lost!!!

I hope that in near fututure it can be proven that holisitc way to heal is as effective as traditional treatments....if its the true its the biggest scandal in 50 year! Based on that most people use the traditonal way becouse they do not get the holisitic approach as an option......even its clear that the diet is the key reason to cancer.

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Thank you, Olle.   

The term "hollistic" carries  lot of baggage apparently.   I'm not sure what is meant by it except to go beyond just standard therapy which targets the cancer and to consider the entire body, and mind.   By providing the list above, which is not complete by any means, I am not suggesting you turn your back on standard therapy.  I encountered a friend last year who went the route, after being diagnosed with triple negative breast cancer, of doing things I considered fringe, or at best third level add ons and did no standard therapy.    Her cancer took off exponentially and killed here within a year because she was not being tracked closely and advised by an oncologist or even a regular physician.    There are cases of turning down all convential options and using alternate therapies but It's not clear that they are not just flukes.

In any case, I have become convinced, by evidence, that there are many things you can add to standard therapy, which sometimes may allow lower doses of chemo or radiation or dampen symtoms and side effects, or slow tumor growth or even cause tumor regression.  An I've been convince by the work of researchers and a small, but growing, number of oncologists who employ some of these techniques to good effect. 

For example, some of the fasting reasearch is being done by Prof Valter Longo of USC has garnered enough evidence that clinical trials are increasing in numbers and sizes, and going beyond cancer to other diseases like multiple sclerosis.  There are biological mechansim which explain why certain kinds of limited fasting may work in some case.  The work of Prof. Thomas Seyfried of Boston University, who studies the metabolism of cancer, is being adopted more as time goes on, with variations of his press-pulse  technique being used by a number of US oncologists. 

Siddhartha Mukherjee, a famous British oncologist, who is well known for his book (and later TV series) "The Emperor of All Maladies"  recently stated that metabolic therapies are worth exploring in more detail (I believe trials are planned, and that it makes biological sense that diet affects the way in which tumor grow and progress and that is not all about the genetics of the tumor.   I know this is an appeal to authority in some sense, but there is basic research to back up his claim.

From the list in my prior post, there is Dawn Lemanne and Colin Champ, both practicing oncologists.  If you watch their lectures they will explain the studies which have convinced them that dietary measures are important additions to the standard care that they offer.

Brent Reynolds runs the Reynolds Lab at the University of Florida and has screened hundreds of natural substances for their effects on cancer.   First by literature review (scientific literature, not magazine artilcles), and from that derived a list of possible candidates.   Lab studies, using mice or rates I believe, then showed good effect from a combination of EGCG ( in green tea) , Sulforapahne (in brocollie sprouts), and curcumin (in tumeric).   This is why I suggested you listen to one of his talks.  Or look up his paper on the subject.   I believe MD Anderson has done studies on Curcumin and mushrooms.   I did not add mushrooms to my list but suggest you look at the literature on them especially with respect to immune system enhancement.  

Walnuts was added because of news from Yale recently which showed positive results for Stage III colon cancer patients when they consumed small amounts of walnuts.  Another simple healthy add on.   

So, what I'm saying is that there is good information, maybe not conclusive in some cases, about additional NON-TOXIC things you can do to increase your odds.   I am adamently opposed to anyone who suggests you just go along with standard therpay and forget anything else.  Standard therapy can help, and is a life savor for some.   But for others it's a complete failure as evidence by the 160,000 cancer deaths per year in the US. A number which is not declining.  Be discriminating and critical of any option though.  If you have the luxury of time educate yourself about what each element of standard care will do for you, and the evidence behnd these elements, and educate yourself about the ongong research about other things you can do.  If there is not a plausble biological mechanism which can exlpain how some option works I would be very skeptical.  Skepticism and evidence are your friends.

Good luck.

   

    

 

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darcher
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  As on poster pointed out, your playing with your life.  None of the holistic appraches have passed scrutiny under a controlled study environement to demonstrate actual curative results. At best, it's placebo.

Olle
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Is there anyone that have try stem cell therapy ?

 

/Olle

Twinzma
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There is a trial going on using T-Cell therapy and the deactivated AIDS virus. You may want to google it. 

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Hej Olle

 

I think stem-cell therapy is still in an early phase, but some promising responses has been obtained as noted in this article:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5292674/

 

Regards, Bjorn (Oslo/Norge)

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