Baking POWDER & MOLASSES AS A CURE FOR CANCER

DID ANYONE EVER HEAR OF DRINKING BAKING SODA & molasses as a cure for prostrate cancer?  IT"S SUPPOSED TO MAKE THE BODY ALKALINE  KILLING THE CANCER ?????

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  • moonlitnight
    moonlitnight Member Posts: 58
    Not quite true

    I have heard of it many times. The whole baking soda thing was initiated by Dr. Tullio Simoncini in Italy. While treating the yeast infection known as thrush with baking soda (BS), he somehow noticed that cancer growths turned white in the same way as the thrush did, and dissolved away. I haven't read this for a while, but I believe they were skin lesions. In any event, one thing led to another, and Dr. Simoncini discovered that he could shrink some, but not all, cancers by running a tube into them and delivering BS directly to the tumour. Many people claimed to be cured, since the cancers shrunk and in some cases disappeared altogether. Since there are no clinical trials, we don't really know if these outcomes can be duplicated. However, some people decided to try it for themselves, dissolving the BS with a maple syrup or molasses solution, and hoping this would get to their cancer tumours. (The sugar was presumed to act as a Trojan horse, since cancer cells love sugar and gobble it up, along with the "deadly" alkaline BS).

    One of the problems here is that cancer cells do not "thrive" in acidic conditions (i.e. acidity does not cause the body to develop cancer), rather they produce acids as part of their metabolism. This led people to assume that acid was their environment of choice and that alkalinity would kill them. As a point of interest, the process of homeostasis will not allow the body to fall outside of its standard pH - a very narrow range, therefore it is impossible to have an "alkaline" body or for that matter, one that is too acidic. Too much acidity causes acidosis and it's time to say goodbye. Fortunately, this very rarely happens!

    While my personal reading and research leads me to believe that a highly oxygenated, slightly alkaline environment is detrimental to cancer, providing a somewhat hostile medium for growth, I don't believe for one moment that drinking BS and molasses will kill cancer tumours. I would love to believe otherwise.

  • RADIATION HOPEFUL
    RADIATION HOPEFUL Member Posts: 218

    Not quite true

    I have heard of it many times. The whole baking soda thing was initiated by Dr. Tullio Simoncini in Italy. While treating the yeast infection known as thrush with baking soda (BS), he somehow noticed that cancer growths turned white in the same way as the thrush did, and dissolved away. I haven't read this for a while, but I believe they were skin lesions. In any event, one thing led to another, and Dr. Simoncini discovered that he could shrink some, but not all, cancers by running a tube into them and delivering BS directly to the tumour. Many people claimed to be cured, since the cancers shrunk and in some cases disappeared altogether. Since there are no clinical trials, we don't really know if these outcomes can be duplicated. However, some people decided to try it for themselves, dissolving the BS with a maple syrup or molasses solution, and hoping this would get to their cancer tumours. (The sugar was presumed to act as a Trojan horse, since cancer cells love sugar and gobble it up, along with the "deadly" alkaline BS).

    One of the problems here is that cancer cells do not "thrive" in acidic conditions (i.e. acidity does not cause the body to develop cancer), rather they produce acids as part of their metabolism. This led people to assume that acid was their environment of choice and that alkalinity would kill them. As a point of interest, the process of homeostasis will not allow the body to fall outside of its standard pH - a very narrow range, therefore it is impossible to have an "alkaline" body or for that matter, one that is too acidic. Too much acidity causes acidosis and it's time to say goodbye. Fortunately, this very rarely happens!

    While my personal reading and research leads me to believe that a highly oxygenated, slightly alkaline environment is detrimental to cancer, providing a somewhat hostile medium for growth, I don't believe for one moment that drinking BS and molasses will kill cancer tumours. I would love to believe otherwise.

    Baking POWDER & MOLASSES AS A CURE FOR CANCER

    MOONLITNIGHT

    THANK YOU FOR THE REPLY------I GOT THE INFO OFF A MEICAL SITE. TOO BAD IT ISN'T TRUE----HERE IS THE LINKhttp://www.medicaldaily.com/curing-cancer-molasses-and-baking-soda-can-vernon-johnstons-story-teach-us-anything-258851

    coRDIALLY

    RADIATION HOPEFUL

     

     

  • RADIATION HOPEFUL
    RADIATION HOPEFUL Member Posts: 218

    My mom’s cakes

    RadHope

    I wonder why you become so interested in the “baking powder” properties to tackle cancer. Are you now an active cook backing cakes?

    We can find many “stories” in the net claiming to be the “saviour” for all cures. Years ago I used to investigate about them deeply and found Dr. Simoncini’s story in treating cancer with baking soda. I have posted a comment in this forum three years ago that you can follow here;

    http://csn.cancer.org/node/209972#comment-984186

    You can also gather some information about the Sodium bicarbonate therapyhere at the American Cancer Society. Here is the link if you are really so interested in the matter;

    http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/

    /herbsvitaminsandminerals/sodium-bicarbonate

    Please use your best common sense before believe in anything advertised in the net. We are also not doctors and our advices are simple layman’s opinions that you may consider as good but at your expense.

    When talking about baking powder I recall my mother’s cakes. I loved hers orange cake in particular.  Tongue OutKiss

    What about you, which one do you like best?

    VG  Wink

     

    V GAMA

    THANKS FOR THE REPLY& KEEPING ME ON THE RIGHT TRACK. ONE CAN ONLY HOPE FOR A CURE.

    MY WIFE MAKES ME MARBLE CAKE.

    CORDIALLY

    RADIATION HOPEFUL

  • SV
    SV Member Posts: 164 Member
    Upon recommendation from my

    Upon recommendation from my urologist, in order to dissolve my uric acid kidney stones, I drank an eight-ounce glass of water with a spoonful of baking soda several times a day. I was instructed to monitor my urine pH with litmus strips until it went from 5 to around 7 and to keep it there. Although very skeptical I followed this regimine for several months as we checked on the status of the stones once a month via Cat Scans.

    Sure enough, drinking that nasty tasting fluid did dissolve my stones until they became small enough to pee out. I should add that this works on uric acid type stones and not others like calcium. I have also been told by doctors that although drinking the sodium bicacarbonate solution will lower urine pH it has no effect on blood pH. They also warned is could be dangerous to the body over long term use.

  • moonlitnight
    moonlitnight Member Posts: 58

    Baking POWDER & MOLASSES AS A CURE FOR CANCER

    MOONLITNIGHT

    THANK YOU FOR THE REPLY------I GOT THE INFO OFF A MEICAL SITE. TOO BAD IT ISN'T TRUE----HERE IS THE LINKhttp://www.medicaldaily.com/curing-cancer-molasses-and-baking-soda-can-vernon-johnstons-story-teach-us-anything-258851

    coRDIALLY

    RADIATION HOPEFUL

     

     

    You are most welcome, RH :)

    You are most welcome, RH :)

  • RADIATION HOPEFUL
    RADIATION HOPEFUL Member Posts: 218
    SV said:

    Upon recommendation from my

    Upon recommendation from my urologist, in order to dissolve my uric acid kidney stones, I drank an eight-ounce glass of water with a spoonful of baking soda several times a day. I was instructed to monitor my urine pH with litmus strips until it went from 5 to around 7 and to keep it there. Although very skeptical I followed this regimine for several months as we checked on the status of the stones once a month via Cat Scans.

    Sure enough, drinking that nasty tasting fluid did dissolve my stones until they became small enough to pee out. I should add that this works on uric acid type stones and not others like calcium. I have also been told by doctors that although drinking the sodium bicacarbonate solution will lower urine pH it has no effect on blood pH. They also warned is could be dangerous to the body over long term use.

    on recommendation from my

    DEAR SV

    THANKS FOR THE REPLY------GLAD I DIDN"T DRINK ANY OF THE SOLUTION

    WISHING FOR A SIMPLE CURE

    CORDIALLY
    RADIATION HOPEFUL

     

     

  • andib61
    andib61 Member Posts: 2
    baking soda & molasses

    My mother Inlaw used baking soda & molasses & she's in full remission. No other treatment.

  • andib61
    andib61 Member Posts: 2

    Baking POWDER & MOLASSES AS A CURE FOR CANCER

    MOONLITNIGHT

    THANK YOU FOR THE REPLY------I GOT THE INFO OFF A MEICAL SITE. TOO BAD IT ISN'T TRUE----HERE IS THE LINKhttp://www.medicaldaily.com/curing-cancer-molasses-and-baking-soda-can-vernon-johnstons-story-teach-us-anything-258851

    coRDIALLY

    RADIATION HOPEFUL

     

     

    My mother Inlaw is in

    My mother Inlaw is in remission with baking soda & molasses. Just to let you know. We don't know truly if that's what did it but that's all she has done. The doctors said no treatment just keep doing what tour doing. She was diagnosed lastyear & now in full remission

  • foamhand
    foamhand Member Posts: 93
    To each their own with best wishes...

    I'm newly diagnosed stage 4 regional prostate cancer. Cancer killed both my adoptive (non-biological) parents but they were both smokers. Dad was diagnosed with inoperable lung cancer in 1980 and was gone by 1982. My parents heard about a miracle cure with mega vitamin doses by a doctor in Greece back then and made the trip to Greece for dad's treatment. It didn't work. Mom fought bladder cancer from the early 1990's till she passed in 2002. She got newer scientific treatment by skilled doctors at M.D. Anderson in Houston TX. and she said they gave her way more time than she thought she had.

    I am awaiting to join clinical trials at Huntsman Institute at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, which is a very good hospital and from what I understand my doctor there is one of the best in the U.S.

    Meanwhile, it seems all sorts of non-medical people rant and rave about all kinds of "miracle" cures for my cancer, from baking soda to the new BIG one...Cannabis Oil or Marijuana based products.

    The big mental argument of course is...who do I trust? Thank gosh I feel my logic circuits in my brain still work, as I will take the advice of a 12-16 year university educated and graduated doctor over a marijuana user / horticulturist any day of the week. Granted, I believe there are specific medical uses for pot that have been proven and I am ok with that. But to tout anything as a cure all panacea that so many things are promoted as over the internet is just irresponsible and dangerous.

    The non-medical educated snake oil promoters always attack the medical industry and big pharma for being big corrupt greedy money making machines that don't want to cure cancer because there's so much profit for them. However, don't forget, the snake oil salesmen suffer from the same malady...they want to make money off their snake oil too so of course they will poo-poo their "competitors".

    In my humble opinion...it's better to go with the doctors who are trained and educated. After all, they probably have suffered a loss of someone in their lives from cancer and really have the desire to cure it, but as I have learned from my doctors...cancer is a very sneaky and mutating disease with a mind of it's own. It really isn't that easily cured.

    foamhand

     

  • Godble55
    Godble55 Member Posts: 2
    Baking soda and molasas, or maple syrup

    I have heard of it and used it.  1/17/18 diagnosed with prostate cancer PSA 26, Gleason 4+5=9.  Learned about it from multiple sources, videos, and cancer tudor.  Two months later my PSA is 16.  It dropped to where it was two years previous.  So far, so good.  I've also radically changed my diet to no sugar or alcohol, no processed meats, and a few other things to feed myself nutrition and starve the cancer.  No surgery, chemo, or radiation.  "First, do no harm. Let thy food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." Hippocrates.

  • hopeful and optimistic
    hopeful and optimistic Member Posts: 2,333 Member
    goodble55

    Have you consulted with any medical professional; ie a MEDICAL ONCOLOGIST. With a Gleason 4+5=9 which is an aggressive cancer more than diet is appropriate.....a MEDICAL ONCOLOGIST will be the best  PROFESSIONAL to consult with for a best outcome...............wish you the best.

  • VascodaGama
    VascodaGama Member Posts: 3,514 Member
    My mom’s cakes

    RadHope

    I wonder why you become so interested in the “baking powder” properties to tackle cancer. Are you now an active cook backing cakes?

    We can find many “stories” in the net claiming to be the “saviour” for all cures. Years ago I used to investigate about them deeply and found Dr. Simoncini’s story in treating cancer with baking soda. I have posted a comment in this forum three years ago that you can follow here;

    http://csn.cancer.org/node/209972#comment-984186

    You can also gather some information about the Sodium bicarbonate therapyhere at the American Cancer Society. Here is the link if you are really so interested in the matter;

    http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/

    /herbsvitaminsandminerals/sodium-bicarbonate

    Please use your best common sense before believe in anything advertised in the net. We are also not doctors and our advices are simple layman’s opinions that you may consider as good but at your expense.

    When talking about baking powder I recall my mother’s cakes. I loved hers orange cake in particular.  Tongue OutKiss

    What about you, which one do you like best?

    VG  Wink

     

  • Grinder
    Grinder Member Posts: 487 Member
    Please explain Godble55

    Hi... I know some very insecure people on this forum want me to shut up, but I thought I would break my silence and ask you about your cancer remedy, but in terms of actual effects produced...

    Maybe you can help me understand how this works against prostate cancer... seeing the "cancer" is not like a virus that invades other cells, or a bacteria that kills other cells... rather a "cancer cell" is the same as a healthy cell, but with mutated DNA programming. And it is specific to its origin. That is, a cancerous prostate cell is a prostate cell with mutated DNA. The cancerous prostate cell is different from a cancerous cell of a different origin, which is why PSA, prostate-specific antigen, is a measure because only prostate cells produce it, whether cancerous or healthy.
      A normal healthy prostate cell is highly regulated by the DNA code specific to prostate cells. Distorted mutated DNA fails to properly regulate the cell activity in the case of a cancerous prostate cell. One of those regulations, for example, is apoptosis, aka regulated cell death. Cells are programmed to replicate and die at regulated intervals. For example...
    "Many body cells are programmed to die at a prescribed time, through a process called apoptosis. Red blood cells, for example, are programmed to die after 120 days of service. Other cells, such as white blood cells, may be programmed to die an apoptotic death after only a few days."
    But when DNA is mutated, the cell does not follow the regulations and does not die as regulated. Then it replicates even more mutated DNA cells that are not regulated to die. Then your urologist may feel a bump on your prostate, because a small mass of unregulated prostate cells coninue to replicate without the accordingly apoptosis or cell death. The more they replicate, without apoptosis, the bigger the bump gets.
      Then, once the bump gets too large, the prostate lining breaks, and the unregulated prostate cells spill out into surrounding tissues, or even the blood stream, known as metastasis. A "bandit" prostate cell can then travel to any part of the body via the bloodstream and can start the process all over again, for example, it could be lodged in  another part of your body where it will start creating more cancerous prostate cells... in that other organ or area! Or wherever it has settled. That is when a radical prostatectomy is helpful, because if you have no prostate, but your PSA is rising, you know there is a bandit somewhere releasing antigen.
      Keeping these traits peculiar to prostate cells in mind, how do you propose to "starve" cancerous prostate cells without affecting healthy cells? That is the goal. How does baking soda and molasses distinguish between healthy cells and cancerous cells, which are simply healthy cells with mutated DNA? 
      Baking soda, and or molasses may solve another issue, like GERD, or acidic/alkaline balance that may help combat bacterial growth. But how does it solve the cancer problem? Keeping in mind that healthy prostate cells are identical to cancerous cells but for regulated apoptosis. 
      Most naturopathic remedies are designed to enhance the immune system. Your body is generally on guard to detect disturbances in normal functions, and respond accordingly. For example, if there are bandit prostate cancerous cells growing in a peculiar area, it can surround the cancerous cells in a hard shell to form a tumor. The tumor can grow however if the cancerous cells continue to replicate. White blood cells can attack an irregular infection, and antibodies are also produced:
    "Antibodies combine chemically with substances which the body recognizes as alien, such as bacteria, viruses, and foreign substances in the blood."
      So, aside from assisting the body in its natural defenses I wonder if you can tell me how baking soda and molasses affect Cancerous prostate cells . If you are betting your life on it, I would imagine you have looked into it closely.
      Other persons in this forum, can explain how radiation targets the rogue cells and kills them, or how androgens from testosterone excite prostate cell activity, so deprivation therapy, ADT, can keep both healthy and cancerous prostate cells dormant. It would be helpful if you could explain how your diet is "starving" the cancer and the effect of the baking soda and molasses... especially if it is an effective treatment. I am not questioning your decision, I just hope that you will share your perspective.

  • Grinder
    Grinder Member Posts: 487 Member
    Hey Godble55

    Hey... I'm not trying to insult you or anything... I am just trying to understand how this cancer thing works from an empirical point of view. If you have a treatment that is successful, I would like to know about it and how it works, and that would be very valuable to other patients as well.

    Prostate cancer is slow growing, and the prostate is very hard to treat... that is something I learned from experience. Its not like other organs that are continuously used and have a quick turnover of apoptosis. But the prostate is buried deep in the groin and is rarely used, and so I am wondering if the prostate cells have extremely long life spans, but see little activity, compared to cells of other organs. Most organs are used on a 24 hour basis, some are used on a daily basis, but the prostate is used on an intermittent basis, sometimes only once a week, for some guys... never. This would explain a lot why prostate cancer cells are slow growing compared with other organ cells, and why healthy prostate cells would have a long life span, and why you could, and often do, have prostate cancer buried in your prostate and not even know it, and not affact you your whole life... like my dad who had PC but died at 92 from unrelated causes.

    But, aside from the life span of a healthy  prostate cell, I hope you will share any information on the baking soda, molasses treatment and how it works to either control tne cancerous prostate cells, or boost your immune system to allow your own defense mechanisms to control the cancerous prostate cells... I am betting it is the latter.

    Although I could be wrong... does anyone know the life span of a single healthy prostate cell? Just wanting to know more about it.

  • RobLee
    RobLee Member Posts: 269 Member
    Sugar feeds cancer and lower PSA means less cancer

    Tossing in my two cents on two topics...

    1) A reduction in PSA does not necessarily mean that prostate cancer is being cured, reduced or eliminated. As I understand it, prostate cells produce PSA when the prostate is active or irritated, such as riding a bike or achieving orgasm.  While it is entirely possible or even likely that altering one's lifestyle and/or diet will improve one's overall health and may reduce PSA levels (due to less irritation or less activity), cancer cells will not shrink or die as a result of lifestyle changes... especially if those cancer cells happen to be grade 4 or 5.  The only thing that actually kills prostate cancer cells is radiation. Reducing testosterone production can slow its growth, but does not bring about any actual reduction in the volume of cancer, only a PSA reduction.

    2) Often we hear that food caused our cancer and food can cure cancer.  The culprits cited most often are sugar, meat, and dairy.  The reasoning behind the sugar deprivation "cure" is based on the fact that cancer cells consume sugar faster than healthy cells do.  The "proof" cited most often is that sugar is used in PET scans to identify cancer cells.  The "conclusion" is therefore that reducing or eliminating sugar will starve the cancer.  We have asked my wife's oncologist about this on several occcasions. His reply is ALWAYS that every cell in the body consumes sugar. If you were able to eliminate sugar from your system then the cancer cells would be first to grab what sugar is available, starving the healthy cells. In the end it would only reduce your body's ability to fight the cancer. Eliminating sugar would be healthier for your teeth and your pancreatic islets of Langerhans and thereby may delay AODM but will do nothing to fight cancer.

     

  • MK1965
    MK1965 Member Posts: 231 Member
    B17

    I read a lot about B17 which is derived from apricot kernels.

    It might be forbidden here because of its efficacy in treatment of multiple ailments, cancers included.

    If you want to know more about search for “organic B17”

    I personally, do not have any experience with B17.

    MK

  • Old Salt
    Old Salt Member Posts: 934 Member
    Just my opinion

    Agree with RobLee. One (NONSENSE) argument that one reads is that the baking soda will make for a more alkaline envirionment. This is WRONG because the pH of the cell environment is closely regulated.

    Grinder also points out that this regimen has no scientific basis. But if someone believes that it works for him/her, so be it.

  • Grinder
    Grinder Member Posts: 487 Member
    expanding

    Expanding on what everyone else said... I was treading lightly because, though there is no empirical evidence for baking soda and molasses as a cancer treatment, I did not mean to discount the value of the confidence someone may put into that treatment... 

    In his book, "Anti-cancer" David Servan-Schreiber lists the most debilitating element dealing with cancer - stress. Stress is the one thing every cancer patient is subjected to from the very first moment they get the diagnosis on through their entire ordeal, yet it is the one thing most likely to inhibit the body's natural immune system. Weve talked before about how the body diverts attention from other processes to the stress response, but that stress response is only meant to last a short time... but during the cancer experience, that stress lasts weeks, months. The immune system remains debilitated when it needs to be enhanced. Thats where most naturopathic remedies come in... not as cures for cancer themselves, but as boosters for the immune system.

    So Godble55 if you are finding confidence in the treatment and you are reducing your level of stress in doing so, then more power to you. And this is just my opinion, but if the treatment is successful, I would thank God for the immune system that has been enhanced by the treatment because your positive attitude relieves the stress that interferes with the immune system operation. So I am still inclined to believe it is not a cancer cure, but an immune system booster, which is our natural first line of defense against cancerous cells.

    It was also suggested by Schreiber that people unknowingly deal with cancerous cells on a regular basis, but when the immune system is  operating at maximum efficiency, the  cells are dealt with and never pose a threat. But age, diabetes,  stress, etc  all diminish the immune system, and it does not operate as efficiently anymore. For example, diabetes affects circulation, which is the primary delivery system for immune response. So diabetes does not actually cause cancer, but it  debilitates the immune system, allowing cancerous cells to survive and grow. If I am wrong about this I invite anyone to show me. Same for stress, so if a treatment relieves stress which will enhance the immune system and it works for you,  that's great. 

    I dont know if i would go so far as to ignore conventional treatment though, but that is entirely your decision.

  • Grinder
    Grinder Member Posts: 487 Member
    A shame

    You know it's shame we can't put a lab coat on vasco de gama and stick him in a well equipped research facility with a staff... Maybe we would get a lot of our questions answered.

    We may get our questions answered by a urologist or oncologist, but it will cost $300 a session to do so.

  • Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3
    Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3 Member Posts: 3,736 Member

    Baking POWDER & MOLASSES AS A CURE FOR CANCER

    MOONLITNIGHT

    THANK YOU FOR THE REPLY------I GOT THE INFO OFF A MEICAL SITE. TOO BAD IT ISN'T TRUE----HERE IS THE LINKhttp://www.medicaldaily.com/curing-cancer-molasses-and-baking-soda-can-vernon-johnstons-story-teach-us-anything-258851

    coRDIALLY

    RADIATION HOPEFUL

     

     

    Palmetto

    Radiation Hopeful,

    Saw Palmetto supplement was advertised for decades as a cure or preventative of PCa. Tens of BILLIONS of dollars have been spent by men on it hoping to avoid or mitigate PCa.  But, all of the best studies by the best institutions have concluded that it is NO better than placebo.  A worldwide, total waste of time, hope, and money.

    You write like an educated person.  Do you seriously believe that there is any merit in "baking powder and molassas" in this ? 

    max