Dumb question: If my cancerous (presumably diseased) kidney is gone, do I have kidney disease?

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  • twinthings
    twinthings Member Posts: 409
    TillieSOK said:

     Me, too.  I'm just sitting

     

    Me, too.  I'm just sitting here reading and learning more and more...and definitely more than my doctor has ever told me.  He came in after the surgery and said "well, you know you have cancer, don't you?  It is called renal cell carcinoma."  I said "okay...what KIND of renal cell carcinoma?"  He looked at me like I had suddenly sprouted two extra heads and said "oh...it's, uhh...Chromophobe, which is the best kind to have if you have to have it at all."  No stage, no nothing, just told me that he got clear margins and that the tumor, while totally encapsulated inside the kidney at the midline, had started into the renal vein, But that was of no consequence."  That's ALL he told me.  I'm going to see if I can get a copy of my path report from his office.  Isn't he supposed to supply me with a copy, if I ask?  I may have to smack a doctor if he says I don't need that report. Undecided

     

    I hope one day I can be as informed and knowledgable as you all are on here.

    Same boat

    Hi Tillie, I seem to be in the same boat as you, in regards to a lack of communication from my doctor.  I too, have learned what I know, from the wise men and women on this forum.  What I didn't know until reading thru this chain, is, I should probably know my kidney function!  It never occured to me to ask.  I had a radical nephrectomy, right kidney, on May 29, 2013, diagnosis, clear cell renal cell carcinoma.  If the function of my left kidney has been tested, I am not aware of it.  Is it a blood test? 

    As for whether or not RCC patients who have lost their cancerous kidney have kidney disease, my doctor told me that although I do not have kidney disease, I am to be treated as though I do.  In other words, if a food or medication is contraindicated for people with kidney disease, I should avoid it.  He also suggested I have my pharmacy "flag" my account, as an extra precaution, which I have done. 

    I think I'll do what Ann did and get my surgery and pathology report.  I'm sure it'll make for some interesting reading and I bet I'll learn a thing or two!

    Finally, since my surgery, I have developed an insatiable hunger for sweets.  Almost a craving, I'd say.  Over the past year and a half, I have lost 75 lbs.  If I don't get a grip on this sweet tooth, I'll be right back up there, tipping the scales.  Is this normal?  My doctor says yes.  His explanation...it's normal to crave what we can't (or shouldn't) have.  At any rate, he didn't seem too concerned when I told him I'd polished off a whole pkg of Oreo cookies, by myself, in less than two days!  His lack of concern led me to think diet wasn't any more or less important after a nephrectomy vs before.  I can't help but wonder if other post neph patients experienced a post neph sweet tooth.

    Without sounding grateful that all those on this site are, in some way, affected by kidney cancer, I am so thankful there are people out there willing to share their experiences.  For, as little as I know about kidney cancer, I'd know even less if not for CSN and it's wonderful participants.

    Sindy

  • donna_lee
    donna_lee Member Posts: 1,041 Member

    Same boat

    Hi Tillie, I seem to be in the same boat as you, in regards to a lack of communication from my doctor.  I too, have learned what I know, from the wise men and women on this forum.  What I didn't know until reading thru this chain, is, I should probably know my kidney function!  It never occured to me to ask.  I had a radical nephrectomy, right kidney, on May 29, 2013, diagnosis, clear cell renal cell carcinoma.  If the function of my left kidney has been tested, I am not aware of it.  Is it a blood test? 

    As for whether or not RCC patients who have lost their cancerous kidney have kidney disease, my doctor told me that although I do not have kidney disease, I am to be treated as though I do.  In other words, if a food or medication is contraindicated for people with kidney disease, I should avoid it.  He also suggested I have my pharmacy "flag" my account, as an extra precaution, which I have done. 

    I think I'll do what Ann did and get my surgery and pathology report.  I'm sure it'll make for some interesting reading and I bet I'll learn a thing or two!

    Finally, since my surgery, I have developed an insatiable hunger for sweets.  Almost a craving, I'd say.  Over the past year and a half, I have lost 75 lbs.  If I don't get a grip on this sweet tooth, I'll be right back up there, tipping the scales.  Is this normal?  My doctor says yes.  His explanation...it's normal to crave what we can't (or shouldn't) have.  At any rate, he didn't seem too concerned when I told him I'd polished off a whole pkg of Oreo cookies, by myself, in less than two days!  His lack of concern led me to think diet wasn't any more or less important after a nephrectomy vs before.  I can't help but wonder if other post neph patients experienced a post neph sweet tooth.

    Without sounding grateful that all those on this site are, in some way, affected by kidney cancer, I am so thankful there are people out there willing to share their experiences.  For, as little as I know about kidney cancer, I'd know even less if not for CSN and it's wonderful participants.

    Sindy

    CKD-2 people

    My hubby was referred to a Nephrologist. He is Dx'd at Stage 3 because he didn't understand the connection to salt and sugar being processed out of the blood by the 2 kidneys he had.  Again, the eGFR reading determined the Stage 3.  He has changed the way he eats -and now tastes the food, not the salt, and is stable at his level.

    At the same first visit, I indicated to the Nephrologist that I'd had a nephrectomy due to cancer and what my eGFR runs (usually 37-41)  He said not bad for age and one kidney, but if I had need for him in the future, ask for a referral.  (Says the cute young man who doesn't look like he's out of high school.)

    So we're both stable with CKD Stage 3.  More aware of food intake.  But watch out if you're holding a package of Double Stuff Oreo's-they don't last long at our house, either.

    And yes, the bood work will show your results.  BUN (blood Urea Nitrogen), Creatanine, and eGfr (glomerular filtration rate) are related.  If one edges up, another will go down a few points.  You can so online to a number of sites.  Can't remember specifics, but "Blood Test Results", "Reading blood tests" or similar searches will pop up a variety of sites.  But always ask for a print out to take home to review.  If you see another Dr. (PC or Internist) get copies of those results, too.  I've noticed the labs in the 2 offices have slightly different standards for the norm on each test.  But it also could be that those that come from the oncology department are flagged as having a higher normal level than other patients in that clinic.

    Good luck.

    Donna

  • todd121
    todd121 Member Posts: 1,448 Member
    Kidney Disease

    Great question and I really enjoyed reading the very intelligent and reasoned responses.

    I would like to add that my nephrologist (who teaches at the medical school and has authored text books and is an expert on measuring kidney function) wrote on my diagnosis following my nephrectomy and visit "Chronic Kidney Disease". I forget what stage he gave me....My left kidney is working fine. I asked him what that meant and he said "it means your overall kidney function in comparison with a normal person with 2 healthy kidneys is not as good and it needs to be followed". Hmmm. Ok.

    Some of this is semantics I suppose. Of course our blood work is off because we have one kidney! And that's their simple definition of CKD....

    On the deodorant front, I'm extremely allergic and have been since my early 20's. I keep myself clean, and that's the best I can do. If someone is offended, their problem not mine. Same goes for my lack of hair on my head. Haha. And I take CKD to mean: watch my remaining kidney, but I don't worry about it that much. I stay away from salt, NSAIDs, too much protein,  and watch my blood pressure and blood sugar. I think that's good enough. Oh, and I see my nephrologist every few months and let him look at my blood work.

    I do put CKD on my health forms when I fill them out for a new doctor, mainly because I don't want him missing the fact that I have one kidney when he prescribes medication for me! I figure the more places I put information, the more likely they are going to pick up on what is going on. They aren't paying really good attention all the time. Have you noticed that about doctors?

    Todd

  • TillieSOK
    TillieSOK Member Posts: 252

    Same boat

    Hi Tillie, I seem to be in the same boat as you, in regards to a lack of communication from my doctor.  I too, have learned what I know, from the wise men and women on this forum.  What I didn't know until reading thru this chain, is, I should probably know my kidney function!  It never occured to me to ask.  I had a radical nephrectomy, right kidney, on May 29, 2013, diagnosis, clear cell renal cell carcinoma.  If the function of my left kidney has been tested, I am not aware of it.  Is it a blood test? 

    As for whether or not RCC patients who have lost their cancerous kidney have kidney disease, my doctor told me that although I do not have kidney disease, I am to be treated as though I do.  In other words, if a food or medication is contraindicated for people with kidney disease, I should avoid it.  He also suggested I have my pharmacy "flag" my account, as an extra precaution, which I have done. 

    I think I'll do what Ann did and get my surgery and pathology report.  I'm sure it'll make for some interesting reading and I bet I'll learn a thing or two!

    Finally, since my surgery, I have developed an insatiable hunger for sweets.  Almost a craving, I'd say.  Over the past year and a half, I have lost 75 lbs.  If I don't get a grip on this sweet tooth, I'll be right back up there, tipping the scales.  Is this normal?  My doctor says yes.  His explanation...it's normal to crave what we can't (or shouldn't) have.  At any rate, he didn't seem too concerned when I told him I'd polished off a whole pkg of Oreo cookies, by myself, in less than two days!  His lack of concern led me to think diet wasn't any more or less important after a nephrectomy vs before.  I can't help but wonder if other post neph patients experienced a post neph sweet tooth.

    Without sounding grateful that all those on this site are, in some way, affected by kidney cancer, I am so thankful there are people out there willing to share their experiences.  For, as little as I know about kidney cancer, I'd know even less if not for CSN and it's wonderful participants.

    Sindy

    I'm getting ALL my test/CT

    I'm getting ALL my test/MRI/CT results and my pathology results!  YEAH!!  I also went to my pain mgmt doctor for a shot in my hip and had him look at the MRI on my back from 3 years ago....you know. Just to see if anything had showed up back then. (The MRI was done because of chronic low back and flank pain in Louisiana). Anyhow, the scan DID show my kidneys and voila'!  the tumor was very visible back then!!  Why the heck don't people who read those things look at EVERYTHING on the scan instead of just one or two little spots?  This could have been caught and taken care of THREE years ago!!!  P*sses me right off!

  • Djinnie
    Djinnie Member Posts: 945
    TillieSOK said:

    I'm getting ALL my test/CT

    I'm getting ALL my test/MRI/CT results and my pathology results!  YEAH!!  I also went to my pain mgmt doctor for a shot in my hip and had him look at the MRI on my back from 3 years ago....you know. Just to see if anything had showed up back then. (The MRI was done because of chronic low back and flank pain in Louisiana). Anyhow, the scan DID show my kidneys and voila'!  the tumor was very visible back then!!  Why the heck don't people who read those things look at EVERYTHING on the scan instead of just one or two little spots?  This could have been caught and taken care of THREE years ago!!!  P*sses me right off!

    Scan results

    Hi Tillie, Snap! That is exactly what happened to me, my tumour was missed over a 3 yr period. I had regular check ups each year from having a previous episode with kidney cancer. The tumour was missed each time until last December when I had an MRI. Angry does not come close in describing how I felt, so I know where you are coming from.

     

    Djinnie

  • anmazon
    anmazon Member Posts: 144
    To Tillie and Djinnie

    I can't begin to imagine how you must be feeling.  To know that the tumors were visible on scans 3 years ago and MISSED?

      I am eternally grateful for the fact that I have known and worked with my team of docs for nearly 20 years. Though I never expected to be on the receiving end of their tender mercies.

    Reading your posts, I appreciate how very fortunate (even blessed, if you'll forgive me).

    Please know that you are both in my thoughts and prayers.

    Warmest regards.

    Annie

  • TillieSOK
    TillieSOK Member Posts: 252
    anmazon said:

    To Tillie and Djinnie

    I can't begin to imagine how you must be feeling.  To know that the tumors were visible on scans 3 years ago and MISSED?

      I am eternally grateful for the fact that I have known and worked with my team of docs for nearly 20 years. Though I never expected to be on the receiving end of their tender mercies.

    Reading your posts, I appreciate how very fortunate (even blessed, if you'll forgive me).

    Please know that you are both in my thoughts and prayers.

    Warmest regards.

    Annie

     
    Thanks, Annie.  I had the

     

    Thanks, Annie.  I had the MRI done back in LA before we moves to FL, and when my pain mgmt doc here in FL looked at it the other day....heck, Ray Charles could have seen it with one eye closed!  That sucker was sizeable back three years ago!  I'm not a doctor, have never played one (on TV, anyway..wink! wink!) and haven't stayed in a Holiday Inn Express recently, and I had NO trouble seeing it before my dr pointed to it and said..."Damn!  There it is!"  From the size, I figure and so did he, that it has probably been hitching a ride for about 10 years or more.  One great thing about Chromophobe is that it is reeeeeeaaaaaallllll slow growing! Laughing

  • anmazon
    anmazon Member Posts: 144
    TillieSOK said:

     
    Thanks, Annie.  I had the

     

    Thanks, Annie.  I had the MRI done back in LA before we moves to FL, and when my pain mgmt doc here in FL looked at it the other day....heck, Ray Charles could have seen it with one eye closed!  That sucker was sizeable back three years ago!  I'm not a doctor, have never played one (on TV, anyway..wink! wink!) and haven't stayed in a Holiday Inn Express recently, and I had NO trouble seeing it before my dr pointed to it and said..."Damn!  There it is!"  From the size, I figure and so did he, that it has probably been hitching a ride for about 10 years or more.  One great thing about Chromophobe is that it is reeeeeeaaaaaallllll slow growing! Laughing

    I know i shouldn't be giggling,

    But, Tillie, your post absolutely slays me!  

    Not only are we two tall chicks, but we're both wildly irreverent with twisted senses of humor.

    If laughter is the best medicine, you and I are well on our way down the road to recovery.

    (And if I could please, please, please borrow your Ray Charles line?)

    Warmest regards.

    Annie

  • TillieSOK
    TillieSOK Member Posts: 252
    anmazon said:

    I know i shouldn't be giggling,

    But, Tillie, your post absolutely slays me!  

    Not only are we two tall chicks, but we're both wildly irreverent with twisted senses of humor.

    If laughter is the best medicine, you and I are well on our way down the road to recovery.

    (And if I could please, please, please borrow your Ray Charles line?)

    Warmest regards.

    Annie

    As we say here in the Deep

    As we say here in the Deep South..."it's all you'rnn".  Annie, I figure if I can't laugh, then I have to cry and I am butt ugly when I cry.

  • anmazon
    anmazon Member Posts: 144
    TillieSOK said:

    As we say here in the Deep

    As we say here in the Deep South..."it's all you'rnn".  Annie, I figure if I can't laugh, then I have to cry and I am butt ugly when I cry.

    butt ugly

    Tillie, you are a beautiful soul, and,  I am certain, a beautiful person, but I think everyone is butt ugly when they cry (and none so much as I).

     I don't know what I'd do if I couldn't laugh.

    Annie

  • MDCinSC
    MDCinSC Member Posts: 574
    TillieSOK said:

     
    Thanks, Annie.  I had the

     

    Thanks, Annie.  I had the MRI done back in LA before we moves to FL, and when my pain mgmt doc here in FL looked at it the other day....heck, Ray Charles could have seen it with one eye closed!  That sucker was sizeable back three years ago!  I'm not a doctor, have never played one (on TV, anyway..wink! wink!) and haven't stayed in a Holiday Inn Express recently, and I had NO trouble seeing it before my dr pointed to it and said..."Damn!  There it is!"  From the size, I figure and so did he, that it has probably been hitching a ride for about 10 years or more.  One great thing about Chromophobe is that it is reeeeeeaaaaaallllll slow growing! Laughing

    Morning Tillie!

    Tillie,

    You just gave away your generation when you quoted the old commercial with Bernie Kopell and the anti snore patent medice he pushed!  LOL  Of course so did I just now!

    I guess your doctor just demonstrated the accuracy of the old "Peter Principle." A personis promoted to their highest level of inefficiency!

    Good luck!

    Michael

  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798
    TillieSOK said:

     
    Thanks, Annie.  I had the

     

    Thanks, Annie.  I had the MRI done back in LA before we moves to FL, and when my pain mgmt doc here in FL looked at it the other day....heck, Ray Charles could have seen it with one eye closed!  That sucker was sizeable back three years ago!  I'm not a doctor, have never played one (on TV, anyway..wink! wink!) and haven't stayed in a Holiday Inn Express recently, and I had NO trouble seeing it before my dr pointed to it and said..."Damn!  There it is!"  From the size, I figure and so did he, that it has probably been hitching a ride for about 10 years or more.  One great thing about Chromophobe is that it is reeeeeeaaaaaallllll slow growing! Laughing

    Missed on CT

    I can imagine how brassed off you both are but, in fairness, it's all too easy to miss something you're not looking for in a scan when you see what you are looking for and have limited time for study.

    However, it is a stark warning isn't it!  I never realised how little time radiologists are typically allowed to look over a scan and make out a report.  That seems to be what's wrong.  When you know that, you know not to be so trusting, don't you?

    A comment to Tillie - yes it's great that chRCC is so slow growing UNLESS AND UNTIL it turns sarcomatoid. That you don't want.  After mine did, the rate of growth increased by 100 times or more, such that a sizeable tumor can grow from nothing in a matter of weeks! 

  • TillieSOK
    TillieSOK Member Posts: 252

    Missed on CT

    I can imagine how brassed off you both are but, in fairness, it's all too easy to miss something you're not looking for in a scan when you see what you are looking for and have limited time for study.

    However, it is a stark warning isn't it!  I never realised how little time radiologists are typically allowed to look over a scan and make out a report.  That seems to be what's wrong.  When you know that, you know not to be so trusting, don't you?

    A comment to Tillie - yes it's great that chRCC is so slow growing UNLESS AND UNTIL it turns sarcomatoid. That you don't want.  After mine did, the rate of growth increased by 100 times or more, such that a sizeable tumor can grow from nothing in a matter of weeks! 

     
    Hi Tex.  I got my path

     

    Hi Tex.  I got my path report today, and it did say that there was no evidence of sarcomatoid.  That's not all it said, but I'm not sure I'm ready to actually put it down on "paper" just yet.  Suffice it to say, I'm even more p.o.'d at my doctor who didn't tell me the facts than I am at the radiologist who missed the tumor 3 years ago.  Three years pales in comparison to what I'm feeling right now.Sealed

  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798
    TillieSOK said:

     
    Hi Tex.  I got my path

     

    Hi Tex.  I got my path report today, and it did say that there was no evidence of sarcomatoid.  That's not all it said, but I'm not sure I'm ready to actually put it down on "paper" just yet.  Suffice it to say, I'm even more p.o.'d at my doctor who didn't tell me the facts than I am at the radiologist who missed the tumor 3 years ago.  Three years pales in comparison to what I'm feeling right now.Sealed

    Path report

    Whatever else, Tillie, be very glad you don't have any sRCC change. 

    Your prospects now are really good and you can go and paint the town red with the likes of Annie; just add in Alexandra and you'd make some terrible trio!

  • anmazon
    anmazon Member Posts: 144

    Path report

    Whatever else, Tillie, be very glad you don't have any sRCC change. 

    Your prospects now are really good and you can go and paint the town red with the likes of Annie; just add in Alexandra and you'd make some terrible trio!

    Terrible Trio

    Mr. Wedgie, 

    Yeah!  Look out world.  Annie, Alexandra and Tillie!

    Triple Trouble!

    Annie

  • MDCinSC
    MDCinSC Member Posts: 574
    anmazon said:

    Terrible Trio

    Mr. Wedgie, 

    Yeah!  Look out world.  Annie, Alexandra and Tillie!

    Triple Trouble!

    Annie

    Affectionately known as . . .

    THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE!!

    Tongue Out

  • TillieSOK
    TillieSOK Member Posts: 252
    MDCinSC said:

    Affectionately known as . . .

    THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE!!

    Tongue Out

    That's for sure! Lol

    That's for sure! Lol

  • Djinnie
    Djinnie Member Posts: 945

    Missed on CT

    I can imagine how brassed off you both are but, in fairness, it's all too easy to miss something you're not looking for in a scan when you see what you are looking for and have limited time for study.

    However, it is a stark warning isn't it!  I never realised how little time radiologists are typically allowed to look over a scan and make out a report.  That seems to be what's wrong.  When you know that, you know not to be so trusting, don't you?

    A comment to Tillie - yes it's great that chRCC is so slow growing UNLESS AND UNTIL it turns sarcomatoid. That you don't want.  After mine did, the rate of growth increased by 100 times or more, such that a sizeable tumor can grow from nothing in a matter of weeks! 

    Missed on Scan

    Hi Texas, I know it is easy to miss something on a scan, and it often happens. However in my case they were supposed to be checking the right kidney for a tumour recurrence. The MRI which I had later showed the tumour smack bang on the old site. I was very angry at the time, but there is little point in fretting over it, you just have to deal with it. I consider myself lucky that they found it, albeit belatedly.

    Djinnie x

  • GSRon
    GSRon Member Posts: 1,303 Member
    anmazon said:

    Terrible Trio

    Mr. Wedgie, 

    Yeah!  Look out world.  Annie, Alexandra and Tillie!

    Triple Trouble!

    Annie

    Annie, Alex, and TIllie, oh

    Annie, Alex, and TIllie, oh my... Annie, Alex, and Tillie, oh my..!!  :)

  • anmazon
    anmazon Member Posts: 144
    GSRon said:

    Annie, Alex, and TIllie, oh

    Annie, Alex, and TIllie, oh my... Annie, Alex, and Tillie, oh my..!!  :)

    Scary, Nu?

    Fuggeddabout lions, tigers and bears, we've got Annie, Alex and Tillie!

    Annie