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ShadyGuy
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Has anyone here ever heard of a connection between wheat gluten allergies and lymphoma? i spoke with an older woman, probably about 75, who is convinced her lymphoma was caused by wheat gluten. She is an obvious carbophobe and is going on a ketogenic diet which limits her carbohydrate intake to no more tha 20 mg/day. She is convinced that diet will cure her lymphoma. I made no friends when I told her son I thought that was silly and possibly dangerous for her health. Am I wrong on this?

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Rocquie
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I don't think this is a silly question at all. Of course diet and nutrition are of great interest, passion, and personal study of mine since I took a nutrition class in high school. Some things do affect us--too many fried foods, excess sugar or salt. But curing cancer--no. Here is a link to a fun article I read recently: The Internet is Littered with Dubious Diet Tips

Take care,

Rocquie

 

po18guy
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Is strongly associated with Enteropathy Associated T-Cell Lymphoma, a really, really bad one. It is quite possible that any substance which causes chronic inflammation in the small or large intestine is capable of producing a cancer. For example, mesothelioma is not directly caused by asbestos. Rather, it is caused by the chronic inflammation that the asbestos fibers cause in the lungs. 

 

ShadyGuy
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She does not have celiac, only an alleged recently discovered (by an herbalist) allergy to wheat gluten. Gluten is a protein, not a carbohydrate and is only found in wheat and a few other similar grains. For that reason I had doubts that a low carb diet would help. Why not just eliminate wheat? And keto diets are notoriously difficult to stick with long term. Some good gluten free substitutes include corn, rice, flax, quinoa (similar to buckwheat) and buckwheat (which is a seed, not a grain). And she has Indolent Follicular Lymphoma. I have about come to the conclusion that life causes death. Something eventually gets us all, like maybe this bear.

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I have a MIL who remains convinced that her infant grandchildren were continously on the brink of imminent demise while being breastfed.  There was absolutely no convincing her that breast milk was even remotely healthy for them.  Arguing that the human species would never have survived if that were the case fell on deaf ears. The same argument pretty much holds for wheat and other gluten-containing foods:  humans have been eating them for millenia. We are still here, but people are gonna believe what they believe, right?

As Po rightly notes:  people with true celiac disease/gluten-intolerance are at increased risk of a specific type of lymphoma, with chronic inflammation the underlying culprit.  From what I've read, gluten is not associated with other GI cancers, although chronic inflammation is (e.g., IBD, Crohn's, Ulcerative Colitis, celiac disease).

If she feels better not eating gluten-containing foods, great.  On the other hand, if she's just substituting rice for wheat, she'll be getting more carb and less protein.  So...

po18guy
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...to gluten. This mass hysteria is amusing. I buy barrels of gluten now to eat. It's cheap since nobody wants it. Smile

ShadyGuy
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that inflammation from rheumatoid arthritis also increases the odds of getting lymphoma but only by a small amount. I have both. But lets blame it on Roundup.

Wheat gluten protien has been a major ingredient in baby formulas ever since they came on the market. Remember that whitepasty glue we learned to use in 1st grade? Thank gluten. Glue-ten.

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I have shared this here before, but it is relevant to a diet-disease discussion, since the article was re-released recently for some reason: 

A joint Harvard-Cambridge University metastudy determined around three years ago (the study is easy to Goggle and find) that SATURATED FAT in the diet has NO (ZERO, no effect AT ALL) on coronary heart disease.  In other words, every bit of 'established science' on this huge subject was WRONG.   All of the 'consensus' should have been non-consensus.  For many decades.   For around 20 years, reports have been speculating that heart attack was not cholesterol-linked as previously believed, but rather somehow controlled by unknown inflammation, and this study would seem to support that, since many people like me with very high cholesterol (genetically driven, not diet; cholesterol level is around 90% genetically determined, and only around 10% linked to diet anyway) never have heart disease, while others, with very low levels, die young. 

My own father-in-law had his first bypass surgery at 38, and then required more bypasses each ten years, until he died at 67.  His cholesterol was always spontaneously extremely low.  So what did the cardiologists do to treat him for those years ?  Had him take statins.  As I have also mentioned, Jim Fixx, the 'run for health god,' who wrote books (I read them all !) about running for heart health, died WHILE JOGGING, at a young age (52).  As goes saturated fat, so goes running.  The whole thesis of his works was that running would PREVENT what killed him.....

All variety of diseases today have 'causes' that no one ever heard of 50 years ago. Heck, they wern't even diseases then.  I went to a large high school in a large city, in the 1970s.  No student, and no relative of a student, ever had anything resembling 'autism' then. No one.  I never heard of 'autism' until the 90s.  I know autism is very real, and very terrible. I have had several friends with a child with horriible cases of autism. But it seemed to explode on the scene from nowhere. So too ADD and ADHD.  No one in any class had anything of the sort.   Today, a huge population is on Ritalin, or worse.  Fibromylalgia is my favorite. Fifty years ago, no one knew the term. Now, everyone has it.  What people had 100 yeas ago was called 'not feeling well,' or 'arthritis.'    Now, it's a 'condition' that must be 'treated.'

Margarine was popularized to replace deadly natural butter. Today, the fad has swung to the opposite: Don't dare eat margarine, or you will fall dead.  The same for eggs:  beginning in the 70s, they became regarded as a sure path to heart attack.  They have since been redeemed, and are considered a very healthy protein.

Me, personally, as a layperson: I believe that almost no cancers of any kind have a food or environmental etiology.  Actually, most scientific literature supports my view, or at least states that IF there is a nutritional or environmental cause, it is either unknown or tenuous.   Lung and smoking?  Yes, a linkage.  Radiation accidents and thyroid ?  Yes, a link.  But with most others, my view has as much evidence behind it as any other.   I eat reasonably what would be dubbed 'healthy,' mostly to avoid getting overweight.  I've never smoked, etc.   I recommend moderation, but never fads or fanaticism.  Bon appetit !

There has been some pushback against this article by the forces of medical orthodoxy since it was published. One would expect exactly that to preserve 'established truth.'   But it is based upon 600,000 individuals.  A joint work between Harvard and Cambridge. Those guys can probably do statistics.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/sarah-knapton/10703970/No-link-found-between-saturated-fat-and-heart-disease.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Fixx

 

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ShadyGuy
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Isn’t it so strange that many people are so quick to believe UN “studies” on climate change while completely ignoring UN studies showing no direct link between fat in the diet and heart disease? Remember the Archie Bunker show - seldom watch tv so I don’t remember the actual name of the show. Archie’s wife was prompting him to be “more like that nice Mr. Johnson“ who ate a great diet and jogged every day. Mr. Johnson was 10 years younger than Archie. Switch to a scene with Archies wife standing there with a bewildered look on her face. When asked what is wrong she said ” Mr. Johnson just died while jogging to the health food store”. Comedy, but the point is valid. Point is we all die and much of it is beyond our control. I accept my mortality while trying to enjoy every day I am here.

Todays enjoyment - all things which are supposed to kill me but don’t - Bombay Sapphire martini with olives and a giant caper followed by 1/2 rack dry rub ribs, potato salad, green beans, french baguette and a piece of coconut cream pie. Then my nitely 2.2 mile walk with my Frenchton followed by the Science channel.I am within 4 lbs of my ideal weight. Life can be good even when you have cancer if you just let it. Don’t be a worry wart.

Just my opinion. Everybody has one except the Beatle’s “Nowhere Man” who “doesn’t have a point of view”

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Shady,

My brother called me yesterday. Said he had just bought a hamburger from a nationwide burger chain.   The foil wrapper said "Contains Chemicals Believed by the State of California to Cause Cancer."  I mentioned in a post within the last year that music supply stores were starting to have these warnings on guitars and amps.  Now, most that I've looked at have them for one reason or other, usually the wood or the varnish, and such.

My favorite comedy line in this area was from George Carlin.  He said that scientists had now discovered that saliva causes stomach cancer, but only when swallowed in small amounts over decades.

Love Nowhere Man.  Listen to the similiar hit from around the time by the Kinks, A Well Respected Man.  

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illead
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I may just have a Beefeater's martini tonight!  No vermouth, 3 small stuffed olives and a "sweet pickled onion" (hard to find).

Becky

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Becky,

Might be 'hard to find,' but sounds worth looking for !

 

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Round Up. Actually I am tired of hearing and seeing  the ads and news bits about it's connection to lymphoma. Then I remind myself that all the poisons we use can't be good for any living thing on this planet. If these ads get people to lighten up their use of this stuff, all the better.

Po I have heard a similar line "Doctors have determined that the leading cause of death is LIFE".

Autism has been around for a long time but called something else back then. My mom had a cousin whose son was "not right". I we only saw him a couple of times because he could act up. Looking back I think he may have had a form of autism. I worked with some funtional austic children in a riding program at a nearby stable. What I remember of this relatives and read when I found his death report, he very well could have been autistic. That would have been over 60 years ago. 

Diet during treatment. First I talked with my oncologist and oncolgy nurse about foods ad drinks to avoid. I also talked with my boss who is a cancer survivor. She told me how 2 things she loved and consumed during treatment she couldn't stand once she was in remission. It took several years before she could have them. So I put some of my favorite things on the no-no list so I wouldn't end up disliking them afterwards. Does this make sense? No. But it made me feel like I was doing something that would help the drugs I was given to do there job. My husband did make sure I was eating healthy. He would make a big batch of vegetable soup so I would get the veggies. 

Shady Guy - that woman you spoke to should really see a medical Dr. From what you said, I doubt she will. Some people will trust anyone but the person they should trust. Unfortunately I know a few like that too.

 

 

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