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Kat1962
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Hi all - I've been to the nutrionist ast my hospital to ask what are my best choices of foods to eat.  It was advised to avoid processed...stay with organic as much as possible (and $ available) and lots of protein.  Any advice, recipes or other thoughts on this?  Green tea?  Can I eat cheese?  Wine?  Cookies?  Looking for advice.  Thanks

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CRC1
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The main thing that stuck in my mind out of all my doctors told me, is that 2 1/2 cups of fruits and veggies a day keep the cancer away.  That's how the saying goes.  I try to stick to turkey, chicken and fish for meat as they say it is healthier. They told me to definitely stay away from the junk food like french fries so naturally I crave them now LOL but try to stay away.  I eat wheat bread with my meals, and I add green blade onions, or cut up a mild onion, to add little more flavor to beans and peas.  Hope someone gives healthy veggie recipes on here, also have cholesterol issues, let's hear some suggested recipes?

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Apaugh
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I had a nutiritonist tell me if all people followed a diabetic diet so many of us would be healthier.  i went on a binge of oh poor me with my cancer diagnosis and I ate anything and everything and it was hard on me.  So now I am trying to behave and follow the diabetic diet and I have to admit, I feel a little better.   The diet is all over the net. 

Hugs,

Annie

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WillowFlower
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I so love it and it makes me feel so great. Hereis some about it.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/beat-cancer-diabetes-by-the-rainbow-diet-here-is-what-it-means/articleshow/56439806.cms

 

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peterz54
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Oncologist Colin Champ has looked at evidence for diet and the lack of dietary knowledge in hs own field  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot96y5-D_K0&t=5s

Oncologist Dawn Lemanne discusses low carb diet effects on cancer   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_diITmOeCM&t=1935s

There's actually quite a lot of focus in some cancer centers on metabolic therapies.   Food, and certain supplements, fall within this area.  I would say exercicse too.  A common theme amoung the phyicians and reseachers who have studied this is to limit sugar/simple carbs and, contrary to what you were told, do NOT eat high amounts of protein unless you have special needs.  Excess protein can stimulate growth signals, the same growth signals which pharmaceutical companies are developing drugs to dampen.   

 

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CRC1
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Yes, I was told these same things, and they printed off two large volumes at the breast health center on nutrition.  The only exception I made was during my radiation treatment. They told me to be sure and exercise every day, but be careful not to break bones (as they are more susceptible to breaks at this time), and to be sure and eat plenty of protein, which I did, only during and right after radiation.  Seemed like the more protein and exercise I got, the better I did. It was like it somewhat counteracted the effects of the radiation.  Hope you have a blessed day!

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peterz54
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Hello CRC1,   There are sudies to support the clear benefit of exercise for cancer pateints.   

On the issue of protein, it seems to me that dieticians and physicians should be more precise, as the amount likely matters, especially for cancer patients.   If you're interested here is a short talk by Christopher Gardner on protein.  He is PhD, is the Director of Nutrition Studies at the Stanford Prevention Research Center and a professor of medicine at Stanford University.  In the first 10 minutes he talks about normal intake and the body's requirements.  He does not talk about the issue of protein in the context of cancer.  He points out that the avergae American gets about twice the amount which is the recoomended daily allowance.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL-_YnbiqSs

The issue of cancer and amino acids (proteins) is directly addressed by Prof. Valter Longo who is working with oncologists to provide a diet to help improve standard of care.  He is Professor in Biological Science. He is also the Director of the USC Longevity Institute.  Here is a short talk he gave at a major cancer center in Paris last year.  It's a little technical, but he makes that point that growth pathways are stimulated by glucose and protein.  He also points out the going into stardard treatement, especially radiation, appears to be enhance if one is already in a semi-fasted state. Side effects may also be reduced.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4ame4E1rtE&t=1156s

Good luck on your journey....

 

 

 

 

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CRC1
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Wow, that is fascinating. However, I couldn't imagine having gone through any of my treatment fasting, even just from protein, as protein gives energy.  Very interesting though.

Kat1962
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Hi CRC1,

Yes, I've hearing a lot about Keto diets and fasting.  I asked my nutrionist about these fads (?) and she really wasn't on board.  I will say the most common thread is to stay away from sugars and processed, chemical embellished foods.  My appetite has been diminshed, so I force myself to eat.  I rely a lot on organic lentill soups and the like.  Organic milk and protein smoothies.  Good luck to us all!  And thanks to all of you for providing informative sites - very much appreciated!  -Kat

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LeoLady
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Hi -

I've heard that a plant based diet is ideal and yes lots of fruits and veggies (organic if possible).  Since my diagnosis in April of this year I have switched to a predominantly plant based diet, however I will still eat chicken or fish on occasion.  

I've always found it difficult to stick to any restricted diet but am doing ok so far with it mainly because I feel that my life now depends on it.  I make chick pea cakes, black bean burgers and have started experimenting with tofu.  I've also been juicing and make smoothies.  

I think alot depends on the individual though and their mindset.  If somebody is totally miserable eating greens day after day I don't think that is healthy either.  

Two books I personally find are very helpful for smoothies and juice ideas as well as detailed nutritional and health information are "Crazy Sexy Juice' and "Crazy Sexy Diet' both by Kris Carr.  She has a entertaining writing style too, which makes them rather fun to read.  She mentions ph levels as well and I've heard from several other sources that it is beneficial to keep your body more alkaline.   

It seems that veggies and fruits are the biggies though.

      

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anniemshe
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I’m pretty bad with diets and in Malaysia ( country where I reside) it’s not too easy to get organic and also there’s a lot of doubt as to whether the vegetables are really organic. Anyone can put on a label n charge more for it but you can’t be sure if it really is. It’s also very expensive. 

I try to eat more fruits n veggies but otherwise my diet is the same. 

HapB
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There is a lot of research that shows that eating a plant based diet along with at least a half an hour a day of vigorous exercise is best to prevent recurrence. Eliminate sugar, dairy, meats, pesticide laden produce, fatty foods. Lots of fresh organic fruits and vegetables. 

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