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ketziah35
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Understandably so, but when someone passes you all get a little scrappy in your attitudes. Like kids coming out for a block fight in the first days of spring.   Can't we treat each other with respect. If you feel a little pissy talk about it calmly or just lurk until the funk is over. I have witnessed the cancer tude. My mother threw a cookie tin at me during Xmas when she was in treatment, but can't we try to be nice! You all are my cancer family and it is painful to watch you tear each other up and down. Doesn't cancer hurt  enough? Why would you want to add to the bull crap on your lives? 

updare below 

I was taught that if someone said something crazy that didn't take away your liberty, physically harm you, or take away your money and they dldo something ignorant to ignore them. The root word of ignorance is the word ignore; but at the same time dont throw any crap or stir it up. If someone posts something crazy, I close it up. I am not going to let someone pit their issues in my psyChe. 

Love ketz
Brenda Bricco
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I know I feel like screaming at someone these days but not sure who that would be.

The news of Buzz passing and Doc having such a hard time may have us all in  the mood to scrap; maybe because we are the ones left here to worry and be afraid. I believe that Buzz is in heaven and free of pain, fear and sadness. I hope my faith doesn't offend anyone but if it does please feel free to flag this reply.

How we all choose to deal with this is a personal choice, not to be shoved down anyone else's throat.

These days are hard since Dennis' reoccurance, I am a woman on the edge and I don't want to rip into anyone but it has happened. I am glad it was the cell phone company and not someone I care about. I pray that we don't get to the point that our lives are about cancer and grasping at any straw that we see or hear of; what sort of life would that be? I just want to be happy and enjoy what time we have together with no regrets down the road. Only time will tell...

Brenda

 

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Varmint5
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I didn't think about it but you are probably right about everybody being on edge. I am personally an emotional mess, don't even trust myself to get into too many discussions about anything because I am thoroughly pissed at the universe. So I hole up here at home and keep to myself for the most part. Anyway, I hear you and I agree.

Sandy

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herdizziness
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Pete just went too far this time, telling a long term loved member to get off his post, when John was only posting to Pete's comment and Pete went off the deep end.  

I don't believe it had been because anyone was on edge, it was because someone started an angry, uncalled for post.  And rightfully he was called on it.  Pete has been calling us sheep, downing our Nation, our doctors for far too long, and he just went way overboard this time.  Someone was brave enough to call him out on it and the rest of us agreed.  Pretty plain and simple.

Winter Marie

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renw
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You can talk. Talk about double standards. Bahh.

manwithnoname
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completley Ren.

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wawaju04976
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As I have said before, no one has the right to put down anyone's choice of treatment. We newcomers rely on the ones who have been here longer to keep this board going the way it is intended to go. As a newcomer I would not have the "guts" to say something about the treatment of others. As I become an "oldtimer" (hopefully) and others also, it will be our job to keep this going the way it should be. And the oldtimers will be on here, too, making sure we are keeping this board a board of support, treatments, etc., without putting anyone down...

Judy

janderson1964
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Well said Marie. I looked up the diet that started all of this and it seems crazy to me anyway. It's seems that even if the diet did work in treating cancer you would end up dying of heart disease from the high levels of animal fat you are supposed to include in you diet.

manwithnoname
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"However the last of these groups to practice their traditional diet, the Inuit people of the Canadian and Alaskan Arctic regions, were luckily observed by modern scientists before their traditional dietary practices were substantially altered. The reports of these early scientists imply that the Inuit people were physically unhampered despite consuming a diet that was essentially free of identifiable carbohydrate."

 

If you actually want to read about it try here;http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/2  and westerners eating the same diet.

Sometimes the truth is found in strange places.

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herdizziness
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Look up who has the highest rate of cancer per capita race wise.  And it's the ALAKAN NATIVE that has the HIGHEST rate.  Since my grandmother is FULL Aleut/Athabascan, my mother half and I a mere quarter.  And our diet back home still remains pretty much the same.  My diet was the Alaska Native diet, eating what we caught, hunted and raised, canned and froze.  Bread, carbs were a rarity, no soda pop, lots of moose meat and caribou sausage though, and don't get me started on Reindeer Sausage (tame caribou technically) because everytime I go back home, I can't help myself, it's Reindeer sausage for breakfast, lunch and dinner, which by the way is processed all naturally.  My mom would plug in the humongous meat grinder and start grinding away, adding natural seasonings, encasing and oh wow, yum, yum!!! (Ours was caribou sausage, but nowadays because I have to buy, I buy Reindeer sausage when I go home) The sausage too, was not eaten a lot growing up, the moose meat, oh yes, first day was the heart, second day was the liver, then when the meat cured, and mom and I had our skinning contests, then the hamburger, roast, steak, etc.,, was packaged and frozen and canned, salmon all the time, halibut all the time, (halibut tastes crappy canned, don't do it) crab all the time, shrimp all the time, telling you I got SICK of the stuff.  Yet, here I sit with colon cancer and a bad ticker.

When my oncologist mentioned a chemo that doesn't work as well with the carb diets that we love in the U.S. as he put it, my husband spoke right up and said, my wife doesn't do bread, when I buy even hamburgers at any restaurant, the bread goes away, not eaten, when I make hamburgers at home, on my plate there's a hamburger patty, next to it cut up tomatoe, then next to that lettuce, next to that pickle and finally a dab of mustard on the plate, then one by one it enters my mouth to be chewed with the flavors combined but not through a bun.

And observed by "Modern Scientist", uh how modern if it were "before diet" was altered, when was it altered, by how much because when I was growing up, again carbs a rarity.  We didn't even get to drink milk from a cow, too expensive.  I only speak for the Alaskan Natives, not sure what the Canadian ones were doing.  Although I'm pretty sure the same thing. 

If it's a diet thing for us, then it's because we were/are unknowningly (still have relatives eating the same old Alaskan Native way) on the darn diet and it hasn't done a thing for us, except make us the highest colon cancer getters.

Go figure.

Winter Marie

manwithnoname
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but why let facts get in the way?

Seems black people have the highest per capita race wise cancer deaths, and also Innuit haven't really had a 'traditional' diet since the early 1900s.

And of course your missing the obvious 'we are all unique' side of the argument.

 

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herdizziness
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Still have their traditional diets, we didn't even become a state until 1959 and we sure didn't have the money to purchase the white man's food, and many still don't, you apparently have no idea the cost of transporting food there, and especially to the Artic (3 of my brothers lived there for some time in the far North Artic, not I).  And even I and most other natives in the south ate traditional foods for our livesliving there and many of my relatives still are.

And I meant to point out that ALASKAN NATIVES have the highest COLORECTAL rate per capita.  You are claiming African Americans have the highest per capita race of ALL cancer deaths.  Not the same thing.  Colorectal cancer is lumped into one cancer for that statistic, and ALL cancers, means just that ALL cancers.  Like calling Apples Oranges, not the same thing.  My mistake in typing in the colorectal forum board, thinking colorectal but not specifying it.  My bad.  I have now specified it.

Winter Marie

manwithnoname
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You said the highest rate of cancer, I proved otherwise, now you say colorectal cancer, now the proof burden is on you, I can't be bothered with you or your argument, get the data and post it.

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herdizziness
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My goodness, I'm just not a big data poster like you.  It's easy, google it, you're more then welcome to, it takes a minute or two and pops right up. 

And if you look at the BOTTOM of my above post, I state at the bottom:

"on the darn diet and it hasn't done a thing for us, except make us the highest colon cancer getters."

Which should then have been obvious of which I spoke, but since it wasn't, my apology was made.

Winter Marie

janderson1964
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It makes sence to me. I have read several times over the years that red meat is linked to colon cancer. I assume moose and caribu are red meat correct? Although I am sure wild caught re meat is way healthier than the processed hormone fed beef that we eat here. I have read that red meat is hard to digest and can sit in the pockets of our colon for years.

All this talk of red meat is making me crave a ribeye steak. It has been over a year since I ate steak.

manwithnoname
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The Innuit diet used to be mainly fat (blubber), almost zero carbs and a little protein,   Look it up.

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Lovekitties
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Ok, I have been trying to stay out of this, but you said look it up and I did because I was not familiar with this diet.

Here is what I found:

Inuit consume a diet of foods that are fished, hunted, and gathered locally. This may include walrus, Ringed Seal, Bearded Seal, beluga whale, caribou, polar bear, muskoxen, birds (including their eggs) and fish. While it is not possible to cultivate plants for food in the Arctic, the Inuit have traditionally gathered those that are naturally available. Grasses, tubers, roots, stems, berries, fireweed and seaweed (kuanniq or edible seaweed) were collected and preserved depending on the season and the location

While blubber and fat  occur on the animals mentioned, I am not sure that I could characterize that a "Mainly".  My red meat comes with fat on it, and I cut it off.  So who is to tell, unless you survey these folks.

Marie who loves kitties

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tanstaafl
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Winter Marie, have you considered calcium, vitamin C and D deficiency as an Alaskan, or a transitional Alaska native factor?   Did pre-19th century Inuit really grind and cook all that meat? 

This paper suggests  vitamin C declined in transitional Inuit cultures.  This book, p 133, says, that calcium intake declined as "Inuit mothers no longer chewed animal bones..."

Alaskan toddlers are apparently notorious for low vitamin D.  paper 1, paper 2: "highest prevalence of low vitamin D in toddlers outside of Alaska", paper 3: SE native children deficient in vitamin D, hard to imagine better in Homer. 

bad ticker?  vitamin D deficiency may lead to other diseases including diabetes mellitus, hypertension, infections, asthma and dyslipidemia.

Vitamin D deficiency is still very common for Alaska, should be especially troublesome for people susceptible to CRC.  The pollution in SoCal would filter out the UV for vit D also.  I assure you, conventional MDs there were not on the lookout for vit D deficiency in the 1980s etc.  Also sausage, any way you grind it, is going to be a processed food that is suspicious to say the the least.   Air exposing and cooking the undersaturated fats in game is particularly bad at creating oxidized fats.  The Arctic explorers MWNN mentioned were getting relatively fresh, or frozen, food that I doubt they ground before eating it raw or boiled.  I also have my doubts about the degree of cooked ground meat in the Inuit diet predating the Russian and American traders selling flour, alcohol, and later, mass produced meat grinders.       

So you see Winter Marie, you may have been getting hosed from the start on nutritional factors.

 

 

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As we try to get the board back on track and concentrate on the tone of our communications ... this comment:

"So you see Winter Marie, you may have been getting hosed from the start on nutritional factors."

is just so unnecessary.  The facts you present can be a valuable part of the discussion but when you end it with that statement ... it does nothing but seem spiteful.

Also, please note that you seemed to have missed the fact that this discussion has begun to die down with feelings being soothed by an apology and possible confusion of facts.

Please help us move the board forward positively.

Thank you kindly for considering what I have said,

Cynthia

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tanstaafl
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Thanks for your concern Cynthia.  I wasn't being derogatory or (obviously) diplomatic, I was being direct.  WM keeps blaming CAM, name calling, driving off CAM participants and bystanders where she has unresolved information issues that she justifies confrontational posts that disruptiv and decrease others' (and my) chances of success.  So I addressed one of those (mis)information gaps that hopefully will benefit all of us, including WM.  

You're right that tone is important, and there are several competing aspects in a situation like this that make it difficult to get it right when this can be read several ways.

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tootsie1
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Very well said.

 

*hugs*

Gail

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I haven't been around here much lately.... been back to work (too much) and haven't spent a lot of time here.

Which posts have the fight and drama in them?

would like to read this years drama!

I remember this happening a couple times last year too... remember, fights and arguments are usually the voice of two or three, and others jump in once they select who they think will win, or which is their better friend.

much like the little boys in the spring. (love that referance)

what i've seen here, is that people like to vent and get it out... but they'll all kiss and make up soon. Lifes too short not to.

but, appreciate your post.

 

joe

 

janie1
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Wow Ketziah.

I'm happy you've changed your attitude.

When I was a newbie, 2 years ago, I wanted to share hopeful information that Herman Cain was a Stage 4 cancer survivor....had 80% of his liver removed, and was still cancer-free 6 years later. I know that in the beginning, that was the first piece of information that gave me hope.

And boy, did you rail on me.....because you don't like Herman Cain. That wasn't my point. Cancer isn't a popularity contest.

I know you remember, because you brought it up again just before the last election.

I don't totally understand your posts, but I am thrilled that you are telling people to just "get along". That's a huge upgrade from what I first read.

ketziah35
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herdizziness
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My goodness that's a long time to hold a grudge.  And sounded, well, a bit mean spirited especially since she didn't respond to that particular post you are complaining about, it was someone else.

By the way look up Herman Cain in the search and you'll find it was John23 that rained on your parade on that particular post not Ketziah35.

Winter Marie

Here, I made it easy to see:

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Oct 21, 2011 - 12:48 pm

From what i've read, he first had 3 months of chemo, then surgery (90% of his colon removed, and 70% of his liver), then 3 more months of chemo. Pretty smooth treatment, i would say. Happy for him.

 

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Oct 21, 2011 - 6:25 pm

Just do a Google for:

Herman Cain +medicare
or:
Herman Cain +social security
or:
Herman Cain +medicaid

and see all the wonderful stuff this wonderful person proposes!

However, I am happy that he's doing well with his health.

Best of health to all!

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whoops

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