Why I love Thomas, The Ketogenic Diet hits the headlines, even Mercola at last is promoting it

Dearest Friends,

Please don't read this if life style interventions will cause you stress.

Please read this if you are interested in life style interventions with regards to diet.

Its a strange co-incidence that this article landed in my inbox the same day as my increased cancer marker, I am a making plans to do the full ketogenic diet, sold by doctor COY. its the ultra marathon of life style interventions. On a separate thread re a book review, the premise of the books was attacked and indirectly the lifes work of many worthwhile doctors. I presonally know one of the doctors and am impressed generally with their knowledge ( a few things on colorectal i think they are missing ). basically this discussion is focused on diet and the current science.

hugs,

pete

PS the diet, and fasting well its a low cost, effective strategy to try, of course discuss with your doctor. ask them about tktl1. they won't know, you will need to educate them each step of the way.

 

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/03/10/ketogenic-diet.aspx?e_cid=20130310_SNL_Art_1&utm_source=snl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130310

By Dr. Mercola

To some, a ketogenic diet amounts to nothing less than a drug-free cancer treatment. The diet calls for eliminating carbohydrates, replacing them with healthy fats and protein.

The premise is that since cancer cells need glucose to thrive, and carbohydrates turn into glucose in your body, then cutting out carbs literally starves the cancer cells.

This type of diet, in which you replace carbs with moderate amounts of high quality protein and high amounts of beneficial fat, is what I recommend for everyone, whether you have cancer or not. It’s simply a diet that will help optimize your weight and health overall, as eating this way will help you convert from carb burning mode to fat burning.

 

This quote is one of many from the book below, DER is dietary energy restriction. If you are interested, just google ketogenic and cancer, some links are on my blog.

 

Late-onset DER also delayed malignant progression and significantly extended mouse survival. These effects were associated with changes in metabolic biomarkers, including blood glucose and lactate levels (Fig. 17.15). We showed that expression of these biomarkers was linked to the downregulation of the IGF-I/ Akt/ Hif-1α signaling pathway [77]. Our findings emphasize an important role for activation of the IGF-I/ Akt/ Hif-1α signaling pathway in potentiating the antiapoptotic phenotype of astrocytomas and indicate that DER targets this signaling pathway. A goal of the cancer drug industry is to target the IGF-I/ Akt/ Hif-1α pathway for tumor management. Our results show that DER can target this pathway without the use of expensive and toxic cancer drugs. Cancer patients and their oncologists should know about this.

 

Seyfried, Thomas (2012-05-18). Cancer as a Metabolic Disease: On the Origin, Management, and Prevention of Cancer (Kindle Locations 8206-8213). John Wiley and Sons. Kindle Edition. 

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  • coloCan
    coloCan Member Posts: 1,944 Member
    Hi Pete,is this the same article?

    www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Nutrition/Diet/ketogenic_diet_cancer_0310131030.html

    (i know there's a connection between mercola and this site and i know mercola sells stuff but i check consumer site daily and get emails from mercola.....both anti-GMO)

     

  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900
    coloCan said:

    Hi Pete,is this the same article?

    www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Nutrition/Diet/ketogenic_diet_cancer_0310131030.html

    (i know there's a connection between mercola and this site and i know mercola sells stuff but i check consumer site daily and get emails from mercola.....both anti-GMO)

     

    word for word, thanks steve

    i was not going to post this, i don't like overwhelming the group here with all my alternative research.

    but john23 and I had a small debate, about lifestyle, this article was the perfect proof for me.

    its actually got nothing to do with the science, its far more simple, people fear change, they don't embrace it.

    just my opinion and observation. remember my exercise post and what a futile effort that was at getting our community to exercise, to improve our prognosis.

    the only person it helped was me. Its not personal with john23, i love the guy, its just he is like so many that simply do not believe in lifestyle 

    interventions.

    thank god we all have our right to choose our medical treatment, its just for me that lifestyle.

    I don't really have the emotional energy to defend treatments I share here from attack, any issues with ketogenic go attack mercola.

    i doubt he will reply either.

    thanks for replying, i am about to call doctor coy and place my first order for a months worth of ketogenic food and drinks.

    when the going gets tough the tough goto mcdonalds for a shake ( only joking ) actually they get going.

    my cea just came in at 12, a small increase, ( I am back in the game I think ) , got another vaccine shot tomorrow.

    hugs,

    pete

     ps http://www.mskcc.org/blog/scientists-discuss-major-trends-modern-research  just got this from tony mwnm more opinion, this time msk ceo.

    its all a matter of who you going to trust, it starts with yourself

  • Trubrit
    Trubrit Member Posts: 5,625 Member

    word for word, thanks steve

    i was not going to post this, i don't like overwhelming the group here with all my alternative research.

    but john23 and I had a small debate, about lifestyle, this article was the perfect proof for me.

    its actually got nothing to do with the science, its far more simple, people fear change, they don't embrace it.

    just my opinion and observation. remember my exercise post and what a futile effort that was at getting our community to exercise, to improve our prognosis.

    the only person it helped was me. Its not personal with john23, i love the guy, its just he is like so many that simply do not believe in lifestyle 

    interventions.

    thank god we all have our right to choose our medical treatment, its just for me that lifestyle.

    I don't really have the emotional energy to defend treatments I share here from attack, any issues with ketogenic go attack mercola.

    i doubt he will reply either.

    thanks for replying, i am about to call doctor coy and place my first order for a months worth of ketogenic food and drinks.

    when the going gets tough the tough goto mcdonalds for a shake ( only joking ) actually they get going.

    my cea just came in at 12, a small increase, ( I am back in the game I think ) , got another vaccine shot tomorrow.

    hugs,

    pete

     ps http://www.mskcc.org/blog/scientists-discuss-major-trends-modern-research  just got this from tony mwnm more opinion, this time msk ceo.

    its all a matter of who you going to trust, it starts with yourself

    No worries

    I was not going to post this, i don't like overwhelming the group here with all my alternative research.

    I don't think you should worry about 'overwhenlming' us with your posts about alternative research. We see your post subject line, and if we're not intereted we don't have to open up the thread. 

    I love your posts and I will be looking into you link here.

  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900
    Trubrit said:

    No worries

    I was not going to post this, i don't like overwhelming the group here with all my alternative research.

    I don't think you should worry about 'overwhenlming' us with your posts about alternative research. We see your post subject line, and if we're not intereted we don't have to open up the thread. 

    I love your posts and I will be looking into you link here.

    thanks trubrit, watch the video PLEASE EVERYONE

    This video might save your life, or add a few days, DONT watch it if a healthy diet will cause you stress.

    If you want to understand sugar, cancer and some cell biology, then go ahead and make your day!

     http://www.mskcc.org/blog/scientists-discuss-major-trends-modern-research

    i feel a bit like john the baptist, tony mwnn provided the above link, watch the video 31min from the ceo of msk.

    if you don't have time just go to min 26, its all about sugar, and the single biggest thing we can do as a community is ditch all sugar if we want to live.

    sounds real extreme, but that what I had to tell myself 2 1/2years ago to loose my 50 kilograms of fat. noone loved sugar more than me, I still have a few troublesome cells.

    i am enjoying being so healthy and starving my cancer cells. 

    its a real perverse satisfacion knowing that even if one day those pesky cells take me out, well I have starved them for their entire life. 

    That I find really emotionally satisfying, it made giving up sugar simple. 

    Have a heart to heart with your onc about the ketogenic diet, what you got to loose beyond a few pounds, you might gain a few days!

    the science, the articles, the anecdotes compelling. of course we have our dinosaurs and they can suck down coke and eat icecream.

    the msk ceo said it, its diet and its igf1. I am going for a workout, it drives down blood glucose and is good for my heart, gets some extra o2 floating aound

    if you are conviced about diet, remember all the science, convert your family and friends and we just made the world a healthier place.

    that was so easy!

    hugs,

    pete

    PS be a lion, not a sheep!

     






    Major Trends in Modern Cancer Research 2012: Discussion with Memorial Sloan-Kettering’s President







     


















    Runtime


    31:00



    Memorial Sloan-Kettering President and CEO Craig B. Thompson welcomes attendees to the seventh annual Major Trends in Modern Cancer Research lecture for high school students and introduces the speakers. Dr. Thompson also discusses how cancer cells grow and spread, and explains the link between cell growth and metabolism.









  • manwithnoname
    manwithnoname Member Posts: 402

    thanks trubrit, watch the video PLEASE EVERYONE

    This video might save your life, or add a few days, DONT watch it if a healthy diet will cause you stress.

    If you want to understand sugar, cancer and some cell biology, then go ahead and make your day!

     http://www.mskcc.org/blog/scientists-discuss-major-trends-modern-research

    i feel a bit like john the baptist, tony mwnn provided the above link, watch the video 31min from the ceo of msk.

    if you don't have time just go to min 26, its all about sugar, and the single biggest thing we can do as a community is ditch all sugar if we want to live.

    sounds real extreme, but that what I had to tell myself 2 1/2years ago to loose my 50 kilograms of fat. noone loved sugar more than me, I still have a few troublesome cells.

    i am enjoying being so healthy and starving my cancer cells. 

    its a real perverse satisfacion knowing that even if one day those pesky cells take me out, well I have starved them for their entire life. 

    That I find really emotionally satisfying, it made giving up sugar simple. 

    Have a heart to heart with your onc about the ketogenic diet, what you got to loose beyond a few pounds, you might gain a few days!

    the science, the articles, the anecdotes compelling. of course we have our dinosaurs and they can suck down coke and eat icecream.

    the msk ceo said it, its diet and its igf1. I am going for a workout, it drives down blood glucose and is good for my heart, gets some extra o2 floating aound

    if you are conviced about diet, remember all the science, convert your family and friends and we just made the world a healthier place.

    that was so easy!

    hugs,

    pete

    PS be a lion, not a sheep!

     






    Major Trends in Modern Cancer Research 2012: Discussion with Memorial Sloan-Kettering’s President







     


















    Runtime


    31:00



    Memorial Sloan-Kettering President and CEO Craig B. Thompson welcomes attendees to the seventh annual Major Trends in Modern Cancer Research lecture for high school students and introduces the speakers. Dr. Thompson also discusses how cancer cells grow and spread, and explains the link between cell growth and metabolism.









    Well done

    for posting this here, I wasn't going to.

    As you know I did this for 3 months, but I did the calorie restricted version, 700K/cal per day. There are a few versions of this diet you don't need to restrict calories to that level.

    I felt very good on the diet, lots of gut issues cleared up. My son hated it.

    I missed the fruit a lot, the carbs from pasta, bread etc not so much.

    People should research this diet themselves before dismissing it outright especially after what MSKCC have discovered about cancer metabolism, they are also looking at Metformin, which acts in a similar way.

    The video should be compulsary for every cancer patient. Im thinking very seriously about doing it again as a lifestyle change. Sugar is poison, ther are many experts who believe that, it's a drug we need to kick, or at least control.

    Maybe just low carb is enough.

  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900

    Well done

    for posting this here, I wasn't going to.

    As you know I did this for 3 months, but I did the calorie restricted version, 700K/cal per day. There are a few versions of this diet you don't need to restrict calories to that level.

    I felt very good on the diet, lots of gut issues cleared up. My son hated it.

    I missed the fruit a lot, the carbs from pasta, bread etc not so much.

    People should research this diet themselves before dismissing it outright especially after what MSKCC have discovered about cancer metabolism, they are also looking at Metformin, which acts in a similar way.

    The video should be compulsary for every cancer patient. Im thinking very seriously about doing it again as a lifestyle change. Sugar is poison, ther are many experts who believe that, it's a drug we need to kick, or at least control.

    Maybe just low carb is enough.

    thankyou tony

    your link is sensational, you have been hammered here, i on the other hand have the protection of some tumour cells.

    the best 3 videos i have watched and for school kids. the sugar stuff, the gbm profiling and the vaccine stuff amazing.

    we are here fighting for our lives, and kids get these lectures.

    only in america. 

    hugs,

    pete

     

    ps keeping the language positive

    I have used the term dietary energy reduction to describe those therapies that use reduced dietary energy intake to treat cancer. This term is more appealing than the terms calorie restriction or dietary restriction. While these terms might be acceptable when discussing treatments for animal cancers, they are less appropriate in discussions for treating human cancer patients. Humans, and especially cancer patients, do want restrictions. These people are already suffering enough form their disease. The word “restriction” connotes a negative approach to their treatment. Even the term dietary energy reduction has a negative connotation. What would be a better term to convey a more positive approach to cancer management than terms involving food reduction or restriction? I suggest we consider the term mitochondrial enhancement therapy (MET) to denote this cancer therapeutic strategy in humans. Indeed, the transition from glucose metabolism to ketone metabolism will reduce tissue inflammation and ROS, while enhancing the metabolic efficiency of the mitochondria.

     

    Seyfried, Thomas (2012-05-18). Cancer as a Metabolic Disease: On the Origin, Management, and Prevention of Cancer (Kindle Locations 8724-8732). John Wiley and Sons. Kindle Edition. 

  • gizzyluv
    gizzyluv Member Posts: 143
    I am SO glad.....(& ??? about protein drinks)

    Pete, I am SO glad you posted this! I have been doing research ever since Jason's diagnosis & even though just about every site you go to tells you in black & white that sugar is what cancer cells LOVE, the books, pamphlets, etc. that we got from the hospital & dr's office all say to eat ice-cream, milkshakes, basically anything & everything whether it's loaded with sugar or not. I mean I understand that if the person doesn't feel like eating, & they 'will' eat ice-cream & stuff like that, sure they need to eat whatever they 'can' eat....but, when they are able to eat most anything then WHY would you want to put sugar in your body if you know that the cancer cells are gonna have a field day with it? Another thing I'm wondering about, I looked & looked for Jason protein drinks (like Ensure) that aren't loaded with sugar (like Ensure....) & I found a great one (I think?)....it's called Eas Myoplex. They are basically for body builders but they each contain 42 grams of protein (for 17 oz.), 300 calories, & only 1 gram of sugar. The only thing I'm worried about is just 1 serving has a LOT of vitamims & minerals....40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, & 100% of your daily needs, & since I've read that too many vitamins are as bad as not enough, I'm afraid to let him drink more than 2 a day. I would love to hear from anyone who knows about this kind of stuff. I'm planning on taking the nutritional information to his oncologist Wednesday to see what he thinks but I'm afraid he's gonna tell me to just get Ensure....and I'm not comfortable doing that, not with all the sugar. Thanks in advance for anyone's help! Kris

  • Dxed
    Dxed Member Posts: 79
     Nice presentation;

     

    Nice presentation; informative. Fasting is the key; elevation of Ketone works magic

     

    But does not ketones lead to ketonosis and are very dangerous? (i'm no scientist)

     

    Sander

  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900
    gizzyluv said:

    I am SO glad.....(& ??? about protein drinks)

    Pete, I am SO glad you posted this! I have been doing research ever since Jason's diagnosis & even though just about every site you go to tells you in black & white that sugar is what cancer cells LOVE, the books, pamphlets, etc. that we got from the hospital & dr's office all say to eat ice-cream, milkshakes, basically anything & everything whether it's loaded with sugar or not. I mean I understand that if the person doesn't feel like eating, & they 'will' eat ice-cream & stuff like that, sure they need to eat whatever they 'can' eat....but, when they are able to eat most anything then WHY would you want to put sugar in your body if you know that the cancer cells are gonna have a field day with it? Another thing I'm wondering about, I looked & looked for Jason protein drinks (like Ensure) that aren't loaded with sugar (like Ensure....) & I found a great one (I think?)....it's called Eas Myoplex. They are basically for body builders but they each contain 42 grams of protein (for 17 oz.), 300 calories, & only 1 gram of sugar. The only thing I'm worried about is just 1 serving has a LOT of vitamims & minerals....40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, & 100% of your daily needs, & since I've read that too many vitamins are as bad as not enough, I'm afraid to let him drink more than 2 a day. I would love to hear from anyone who knows about this kind of stuff. I'm planning on taking the nutritional information to his oncologist Wednesday to see what he thinks but I'm afraid he's gonna tell me to just get Ensure....and I'm not comfortable doing that, not with all the sugar. Thanks in advance for anyone's help! Kris

    dear kris

    the issue with some proteins is they might have iron or copper, ideally we get most of our nutrition from healthy whole food, which is impossible post op and with folfox, so try and find a really good compassionate naturopath to give some one on one guidance. i have been to heaps, they all offer dvice, at this point what you need  is basic support most naturopaths can provide. dont get suckered into buying lots of expensive supplements, the basics are more important.

    watch the videos. did you ? get jason to ? i would be interested in your opinion ceo of msk versus the oncs ? 

    who you gonna trust ? i made my decision.

    goodluck with yours

    LIFE WITHOUT SUGAR IS SO SWEET!

    hugs,

    pete

  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900
    Dxed said:

     Nice presentation;

     

    Nice presentation; informative. Fasting is the key; elevation of Ketone works magic

     

    But does not ketones lead to ketonosis and are very dangerous? (i'm no scientist)

     

    Sander

    thanks sander

    for watching the 5 minutes of my precious life i invested to post these is worth, i have helped one friend here.

    ketosis may have some risks, but i got a few troublesome cells.

    i wonder if anyone here will try this diet with me, i would love to share the experiences as we go along on this crazy experiment together that we call life.

    its an invitation and NOT an order or a request even. is an invitation like this allowed here on csn ?

    if i say i want to try ketogenic, the onc will say OK if you must!

    they want be happy but they wont say NO, in their heart they will know you ARE so special, that you want to live more than all their other patients,

    i get VIP treatment from all the doctors because they know i put 1000% effort in this game of survival.

    if anyone asks their onc about ketogenic i would be very curious.

    sander, thanks for taking the time to watch, maybe your example will motivate some others curiousity.

    hugs,

    pete

  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122
    gizzyluv said:

    I am SO glad.....(& ??? about protein drinks)

    Pete, I am SO glad you posted this! I have been doing research ever since Jason's diagnosis & even though just about every site you go to tells you in black & white that sugar is what cancer cells LOVE, the books, pamphlets, etc. that we got from the hospital & dr's office all say to eat ice-cream, milkshakes, basically anything & everything whether it's loaded with sugar or not. I mean I understand that if the person doesn't feel like eating, & they 'will' eat ice-cream & stuff like that, sure they need to eat whatever they 'can' eat....but, when they are able to eat most anything then WHY would you want to put sugar in your body if you know that the cancer cells are gonna have a field day with it? Another thing I'm wondering about, I looked & looked for Jason protein drinks (like Ensure) that aren't loaded with sugar (like Ensure....) & I found a great one (I think?)....it's called Eas Myoplex. They are basically for body builders but they each contain 42 grams of protein (for 17 oz.), 300 calories, & only 1 gram of sugar. The only thing I'm worried about is just 1 serving has a LOT of vitamims & minerals....40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, & 100% of your daily needs, & since I've read that too many vitamins are as bad as not enough, I'm afraid to let him drink more than 2 a day. I would love to hear from anyone who knows about this kind of stuff. I'm planning on taking the nutritional information to his oncologist Wednesday to see what he thinks but I'm afraid he's gonna tell me to just get Ensure....and I'm not comfortable doing that, not with all the sugar. Thanks in advance for anyone's help! Kris

    Gizzy---

     

    Re:

    “WHY would you want to put sugar in your body if you know that the cancer cells are gonna have a field day with it?”

     

    The answer is simple……

     

    Cancer cells live by the fermentation process, and that requires a lot of glucose. All our good cells also need glucose to suvive.

     

    Cancer cells can not hear instructions from the body that would tell the cancer cell to behave, so the cancer cells use as much glucose as the can, without restrictions.

     

    Good cells can hear the body’s instructions, and only use what glucose they need for energy and survival.

     

    The cancer cells actually steal the glucose away from good cells, in their little lawless life…..

     

    So trying to starve cancer cells by withholding glucose, is useless. You will starve good cells first, while the cancer cells continue to steal away any glucose available.

     

    Starving good cells will lead to a rapid decline in energy, weight, and life from good cells, while the cancer cells continue to flourish. The immune system rapidly suffers without the needed energy.

     

    So, if you want to help cancer cells take over, just withhold needed glucose from your diet!

     

    People should stop reading the hyperbole from the alternative industry, they have become as crooked as the rest of the medical industry. They pay for “studies” and publish what they want without restriction, living just like the cancer they say they are fighting.

     

    Eat a well-rounded diet and as much as you can, if you want to fight the cancer within. Your body needs the extra energy to do battle; starving it is not a good idea.

     

    Best hopes for your better health,

     

    John

  • Lovekitties
    Lovekitties Member Posts: 3,364 Member
    gizzyluv said:

    I am SO glad.....(& ??? about protein drinks)

    Pete, I am SO glad you posted this! I have been doing research ever since Jason's diagnosis & even though just about every site you go to tells you in black & white that sugar is what cancer cells LOVE, the books, pamphlets, etc. that we got from the hospital & dr's office all say to eat ice-cream, milkshakes, basically anything & everything whether it's loaded with sugar or not. I mean I understand that if the person doesn't feel like eating, & they 'will' eat ice-cream & stuff like that, sure they need to eat whatever they 'can' eat....but, when they are able to eat most anything then WHY would you want to put sugar in your body if you know that the cancer cells are gonna have a field day with it? Another thing I'm wondering about, I looked & looked for Jason protein drinks (like Ensure) that aren't loaded with sugar (like Ensure....) & I found a great one (I think?)....it's called Eas Myoplex. They are basically for body builders but they each contain 42 grams of protein (for 17 oz.), 300 calories, & only 1 gram of sugar. The only thing I'm worried about is just 1 serving has a LOT of vitamims & minerals....40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, & 100% of your daily needs, & since I've read that too many vitamins are as bad as not enough, I'm afraid to let him drink more than 2 a day. I would love to hear from anyone who knows about this kind of stuff. I'm planning on taking the nutritional information to his oncologist Wednesday to see what he thinks but I'm afraid he's gonna tell me to just get Ensure....and I'm not comfortable doing that, not with all the sugar. Thanks in advance for anyone's help! Kris

    Protein drinks

    Dear Kris,

    My sister is in treatment for stage 4 uterine cancer.  Her onc told her to use Glucerna because she is border line diabetic.

    He told her that if she didn't feel like eating she could have up to 5 per day, and that adding ice cream to make it a milk shake was good.  Reason?  Because one of the things that happens with cancer and with treatments is that the patient looses weight.  Keeping up the weight helps keep up the stamina to get thru.  After my own surgery, I was told to use Boost Plus to get in as much protein as possible to aid healing.

    I agree with John23's assessment below.  Cancer cells take first and whatever is left goes to the good cells.  If it were otherwise, we could eliminate/kill off cancer just by eliminating sugar.

    By all means, check all this out with his doctor, but don't be surprised if the recommendation remains the same.

    Marie who loves kitties

  • jen2012
    jen2012 Member Posts: 1,607 Member

    Protein drinks

    Dear Kris,

    My sister is in treatment for stage 4 uterine cancer.  Her onc told her to use Glucerna because she is border line diabetic.

    He told her that if she didn't feel like eating she could have up to 5 per day, and that adding ice cream to make it a milk shake was good.  Reason?  Because one of the things that happens with cancer and with treatments is that the patient looses weight.  Keeping up the weight helps keep up the stamina to get thru.  After my own surgery, I was told to use Boost Plus to get in as much protein as possible to aid healing.

    I agree with John23's assessment below.  Cancer cells take first and whatever is left goes to the good cells.  If it were otherwise, we could eliminate/kill off cancer just by eliminating sugar.

    By all means, check all this out with his doctor, but don't be surprised if the recommendation remains the same.

    Marie who loves kitties

    Kris - I bet Jason will soon

    Kris - I bet Jason will soon get his appetite back.  My husband lost a lot in the beginning, but has gained it all back.  Between the tumor shrinking from the chemo, plus the appetite he got from the steroid....well, he gained it all back and then some!  While he was losing too much, the dietician suggested adding oil to his foods like soups, sauces, etc for the extra calories.   Lots of people also claim that mashed potatoes go down easy - you can add oil to that too.  

  • manwithnoname
    manwithnoname Member Posts: 402
    John23 said:

    Gizzy---

     

    Re:

    “WHY would you want to put sugar in your body if you know that the cancer cells are gonna have a field day with it?”

     

    The answer is simple……

     

    Cancer cells live by the fermentation process, and that requires a lot of glucose. All our good cells also need glucose to suvive.

     

    Cancer cells can not hear instructions from the body that would tell the cancer cell to behave, so the cancer cells use as much glucose as the can, without restrictions.

     

    Good cells can hear the body’s instructions, and only use what glucose they need for energy and survival.

     

    The cancer cells actually steal the glucose away from good cells, in their little lawless life…..

     

    So trying to starve cancer cells by withholding glucose, is useless. You will starve good cells first, while the cancer cells continue to steal away any glucose available.

     

    Starving good cells will lead to a rapid decline in energy, weight, and life from good cells, while the cancer cells continue to flourish. The immune system rapidly suffers without the needed energy.

     

    So, if you want to help cancer cells take over, just withhold needed glucose from your diet!

     

    People should stop reading the hyperbole from the alternative industry, they have become as crooked as the rest of the medical industry. They pay for “studies” and publish what they want without restriction, living just like the cancer they say they are fighting.

     

    Eat a well-rounded diet and as much as you can, if you want to fight the cancer within. Your body needs the extra energy to do battle; starving it is not a good idea.

     

    Best hopes for your better health,

     

    John

    No John the

    answer is not 'simple'...

    "We have demonstrated that in human and mouse cancer cell lines, activated Akt directs a direct conversion of metabolic control to aerobic glycolysis (the Warburg effect). This conversion addicts cells to glucose and renders them sensitive to any agent that inhibits glucose uptake or glucose catabolism"

    Craig B. Thompson,  MD    CEO MSKCC

    "Watson explained that this demonstrates how scientists can work toward stopping cancer by decreasing insulin levels and glycolysis with this diabetes treatment."

    Professor James Watson Nobel prize winner.

     

    "So, if you want to help cancer cells take over, just withhold needed glucose from your diet!"... John23

    Are you saying then to KILL cancer just eat sugar?

    No one is saying stopping sugar "cures" cancer...just to be absolutley clear.

  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900

    No John the

    answer is not 'simple'...

    "We have demonstrated that in human and mouse cancer cell lines, activated Akt directs a direct conversion of metabolic control to aerobic glycolysis (the Warburg effect). This conversion addicts cells to glucose and renders them sensitive to any agent that inhibits glucose uptake or glucose catabolism"

    Craig B. Thompson,  MD    CEO MSKCC

    "Watson explained that this demonstrates how scientists can work toward stopping cancer by decreasing insulin levels and glycolysis with this diabetes treatment."

    Professor James Watson Nobel prize winner.

     

    "So, if you want to help cancer cells take over, just withhold needed glucose from your diet!"... John23

    Are you saying then to KILL cancer just eat sugar?

    No one is saying stopping sugar "cures" cancer...just to be absolutley clear.

    these interesting discussions always come down to HOPE

    john and marie and tony,

    thank you for your opinions ( you make some good points ), they are motivated by care and compassion as mine are, as I believe most of us here are.

    We have had different journeys and we end up here talking and sharing. The goal of these discussions, I want even use debate is simply raise awareness, that ultimately our health is in our own hands.

    Now exercise is recommended on CSN ( years after I started pushing it ), did we all start walking NO. Did ONC start recommending it ? NO

    Our health has to come from within, not without. The best we can do is heal ourselves, doing so in public is an worthwhile goal, it proves much the same.

    Did exercise stop my recurrence NO, did it help me be the healthiest colorectal stage 4 on the planet, maybe yes. 

    Driving our biologies, driving our spirits simply my way of attempting to survive. We each live our life our ways, thats our right, its the way it should be.

    Our MEDICAL SYSTEM  steal hope, fellow patients who keep that HOPE surpressed with stories of misery, repeated add infinitum does not help those patients seeking HOPE, those patients seeking cure.

    cancer starves our souls of hope, I meet so many people with cancer, I look into their eyes and I see fear.

    they look at me and I wonder. My CEA was 12 today, it could be RECURRENCE again, it could be a REMOVAB spike. Next month I get GAMMA DELTA immune cells the most aggressive immunotherapy, if its needed. Time will tell. Today is great, this discussion is great and I hope we are all smiling.

    I got to go and workout and the coffee has cooled.

    hugs,

    Pete

    PS I respect Marie and John views, if they want to read the research we have provided they can, they may not want or need to. I wont argue john points sentence for sentence. I am glad Tony made a few comments. encouraging peace not division where I am at.

    PPS I will do the full ketongic diet and all the tests. I will blog it properly, like the immunotherapies. If it helps me, it may serve as an example for others. If I fail I was wrong about SUGAR, but ketogenic is not THE CURE, but it helps. Why is having a hardcore diet that miht save your life for 3 months so challenging. We know what the status quo offers, we know what ketogenic offers ? 

    http://www.mercola.com/article/sugar/sugar_cancer.htm ( Mike did you see its Patrick Quinlin )

    My homework for today FRIENDS, be a sheep if you want, you know what happens to sheep. At least the lions have a chance, be a lion!

    http://www.mercola.com/article/aspartame/government_cover_up.htm john23 also mentioned this issue to his credit, over coming your sweet tooth essential, don't dump sugar and go onto artifical alternatives. 

  • Sundanceh
    Sundanceh Member Posts: 4,392 Member

    these interesting discussions always come down to HOPE

    john and marie and tony,

    thank you for your opinions ( you make some good points ), they are motivated by care and compassion as mine are, as I believe most of us here are.

    We have had different journeys and we end up here talking and sharing. The goal of these discussions, I want even use debate is simply raise awareness, that ultimately our health is in our own hands.

    Now exercise is recommended on CSN ( years after I started pushing it ), did we all start walking NO. Did ONC start recommending it ? NO

    Our health has to come from within, not without. The best we can do is heal ourselves, doing so in public is an worthwhile goal, it proves much the same.

    Did exercise stop my recurrence NO, did it help me be the healthiest colorectal stage 4 on the planet, maybe yes. 

    Driving our biologies, driving our spirits simply my way of attempting to survive. We each live our life our ways, thats our right, its the way it should be.

    Our MEDICAL SYSTEM  steal hope, fellow patients who keep that HOPE surpressed with stories of misery, repeated add infinitum does not help those patients seeking HOPE, those patients seeking cure.

    cancer starves our souls of hope, I meet so many people with cancer, I look into their eyes and I see fear.

    they look at me and I wonder. My CEA was 12 today, it could be RECURRENCE again, it could be a REMOVAB spike. Next month I get GAMMA DELTA immune cells the most aggressive immunotherapy, if its needed. Time will tell. Today is great, this discussion is great and I hope we are all smiling.

    I got to go and workout and the coffee has cooled.

    hugs,

    Pete

    PS I respect Marie and John views, if they want to read the research we have provided they can, they may not want or need to. I wont argue john points sentence for sentence. I am glad Tony made a few comments. encouraging peace not division where I am at.

    PPS I will do the full ketongic diet and all the tests. I will blog it properly, like the immunotherapies. If it helps me, it may serve as an example for others. If I fail I was wrong about SUGAR, but ketogenic is not THE CURE, but it helps. Why is having a hardcore diet that miht save your life for 3 months so challenging. We know what the status quo offers, we know what ketogenic offers ? 

    http://www.mercola.com/article/sugar/sugar_cancer.htm ( Mike did you see its Patrick Quinlin )

    My homework for today FRIENDS, be a sheep if you want, you know what happens to sheep. At least the lions have a chance, be a lion!

    http://www.mercola.com/article/aspartame/government_cover_up.htm john23 also mentioned this issue to his credit, over coming your sweet tooth essential, don't dump sugar and go onto artifical alternatives. 

    I'm already The Lion:)

    Cool

     

  • manwithnoname
    manwithnoname Member Posts: 402

    thanks sander

    for watching the 5 minutes of my precious life i invested to post these is worth, i have helped one friend here.

    ketosis may have some risks, but i got a few troublesome cells.

    i wonder if anyone here will try this diet with me, i would love to share the experiences as we go along on this crazy experiment together that we call life.

    its an invitation and NOT an order or a request even. is an invitation like this allowed here on csn ?

    if i say i want to try ketogenic, the onc will say OK if you must!

    they want be happy but they wont say NO, in their heart they will know you ARE so special, that you want to live more than all their other patients,

    i get VIP treatment from all the doctors because they know i put 1000% effort in this game of survival.

    if anyone asks their onc about ketogenic i would be very curious.

    sander, thanks for taking the time to watch, maybe your example will motivate some others curiousity.

    hugs,

    pete

    Chemo and diet

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6JsCXjS8lg

     

    yes it's important.

  • annalexandria
    annalexandria Member Posts: 2,571
    Just a thought from my perspective...

    as someone with a background in medieval history.  People got cancer in the Middle Ages.  Yet they had very little access to sugar, except in the form of honey and fruit (and even that was pretty limited, if not non-existent, in the diet of the lower classes).  I think a healthy diet is kind of a no brainer, but if people need to gain weight and increase appetite, then carrots probably aren't going to cut it.  And I'll never forget the story I read about the very young woman who gave up all sugar in the last months of her life as she was dying of cancer.  Her mom commented on how much her daughter missed her little treats, which kind of broke my heart.  I guess I just feel that, like cancer itself, all of this is very complicated, and there is still no one right answer out there.  Share information, but be supportive of what others choose while you do it.  AA

  • manwithnoname
    manwithnoname Member Posts: 402

    Just a thought from my perspective...

    as someone with a background in medieval history.  People got cancer in the Middle Ages.  Yet they had very little access to sugar, except in the form of honey and fruit (and even that was pretty limited, if not non-existent, in the diet of the lower classes).  I think a healthy diet is kind of a no brainer, but if people need to gain weight and increase appetite, then carrots probably aren't going to cut it.  And I'll never forget the story I read about the very young woman who gave up all sugar in the last months of her life as she was dying of cancer.  Her mom commented on how much her daughter missed her little treats, which kind of broke my heart.  I guess I just feel that, like cancer itself, all of this is very complicated, and there is still no one right answer out there.  Share information, but be supportive of what others choose while you do it.  AA

    Hi Anna

    there seems to be a confusion on sugar causing cancer and sugar fueling cancer. I don't believe sugar causes cancer.

    The idea of sugar (glucose) fueling cancer seems to me proven beyond doubt.

     

    And if you are in the last months of your life,...have the cookie....

  • annalexandria
    annalexandria Member Posts: 2,571

    Protein drinks

    Dear Kris,

    My sister is in treatment for stage 4 uterine cancer.  Her onc told her to use Glucerna because she is border line diabetic.

    He told her that if she didn't feel like eating she could have up to 5 per day, and that adding ice cream to make it a milk shake was good.  Reason?  Because one of the things that happens with cancer and with treatments is that the patient looses weight.  Keeping up the weight helps keep up the stamina to get thru.  After my own surgery, I was told to use Boost Plus to get in as much protein as possible to aid healing.

    I agree with John23's assessment below.  Cancer cells take first and whatever is left goes to the good cells.  If it were otherwise, we could eliminate/kill off cancer just by eliminating sugar.

    By all means, check all this out with his doctor, but don't be surprised if the recommendation remains the same.

    Marie who loves kitties

    I lived off milk shakes post-surgery.

    Nothing tasted very good and I had a lot of nausea.  My husband made them with full-fat ice cream and milk, and fresh fruit (and "lots of love", as he would say).  I was down to a size 2 at that point.  Let's just say that now, 3 1/2 years later, I am still a size 2...plus 10.  You can add protein powder to shakes too.  I was able to eat those with no trouble, and they gave me a little boost of much needed energy.  AA