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Anti-angiogenesis

Just watched the video about angiogenesis by Dr. William Li. Very informative. See this link http://www.ted.com/talks/william_li.html
I have stage one rcc, and want to do more proactive things other than 6mon scan. Does anyone on this forum know any anti-angiogenesis products (not prescription medicine)?

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  • foxhd
    foxhd Member Posts: 3,181
    Anti-
    What a good question. don't know . Everything I do is fitness oriented. That promotes circulation. To sit still to inhibit blood flow is out of my thinking.
  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798
    foxhd said:

    Anti-
    What a good question. don't know . Everything I do is fitness oriented. That promotes circulation. To sit still to inhibit blood flow is out of my thinking.

    Dr. William Li
    Thanks for posting the link - I'd forgotten how brilliant a talk that was. Equally interesting is the TED talk by another cancer doc David Agus available at

    http://www.ted.com/talks/david_agus_a_new_strategy_in_the_war_on_cancer.html

    Both represent highly intelligent and novel ways of thinking about the topic which, it seems to me, is our best bet for making real progress. The inter-disciplinary approach is crucial in this.

    At an entirely unoriginal level, I'd answer your question by saying that, aside from 'super-foods' and drugs, the mind-body approach to boosting the immune system is well worth pursuing, albeit the mechanism of disruption is not anti-angiogenic.

    A further thought is that a product worth having is some kind of good quality juicer such as a Vitamix. It's remarkable how little rocket science is required for certain purposes. For instance, one of the most effective ways of achieving weight loss is as simple as using smaller dinner plates - people actually tend to eat less and so get results very painlessly. In the same vein, if you buy (and use!) a juicer you're much more likely to get plenty of fruit and veg intake. I've just made myself a smoothie with a small banana, a granny smith apple, a handful or so of each of blueberries, blackberries and raspberries plus a mug of ice. This resulted in about 3 glasses full of smoothie and I would have been far less likely to eat that much fruit in a matter of half an hour sitting at my computer.

    It's easy to rationalise such an expensive purchase if you have the health condition we all share. It's a lot of money if regarded as just a kitchen gadget but it makes a whole lot of sense if it achieves the outcome of improving one's diet in a way that will enable one to survive a lot longer and with a better quality of life. Compare the expense with drug costs, insurance, travel to treatment, time off work etc. Viewed that way, it's a very cost-effective investment in improving our diet and health.
  • alice124
    alice124 Member Posts: 896

    Dr. William Li
    Thanks for posting the link - I'd forgotten how brilliant a talk that was. Equally interesting is the TED talk by another cancer doc David Agus available at

    http://www.ted.com/talks/david_agus_a_new_strategy_in_the_war_on_cancer.html

    Both represent highly intelligent and novel ways of thinking about the topic which, it seems to me, is our best bet for making real progress. The inter-disciplinary approach is crucial in this.

    At an entirely unoriginal level, I'd answer your question by saying that, aside from 'super-foods' and drugs, the mind-body approach to boosting the immune system is well worth pursuing, albeit the mechanism of disruption is not anti-angiogenic.

    A further thought is that a product worth having is some kind of good quality juicer such as a Vitamix. It's remarkable how little rocket science is required for certain purposes. For instance, one of the most effective ways of achieving weight loss is as simple as using smaller dinner plates - people actually tend to eat less and so get results very painlessly. In the same vein, if you buy (and use!) a juicer you're much more likely to get plenty of fruit and veg intake. I've just made myself a smoothie with a small banana, a granny smith apple, a handful or so of each of blueberries, blackberries and raspberries plus a mug of ice. This resulted in about 3 glasses full of smoothie and I would have been far less likely to eat that much fruit in a matter of half an hour sitting at my computer.

    It's easy to rationalise such an expensive purchase if you have the health condition we all share. It's a lot of money if regarded as just a kitchen gadget but it makes a whole lot of sense if it achieves the outcome of improving one's diet in a way that will enable one to survive a lot longer and with a better quality of life. Compare the expense with drug costs, insurance, travel to treatment, time off work etc. Viewed that way, it's a very cost-effective investment in improving our diet and health.

    Seconding the Vitamix suggestion
    John and I have only had the Vitamix a little over a week, but it is making a difference in John's eating habits. He's having smoothies (similar to TW's) with the addition of yogurt most of the time. Bottom line his eating is healthier via the Vitamix.

    And I find it an excellent tool for making frozen strawberry dacquiris and raspberry margarettas!
  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798
    alice124 said:

    Seconding the Vitamix suggestion
    John and I have only had the Vitamix a little over a week, but it is making a difference in John's eating habits. He's having smoothies (similar to TW's) with the addition of yogurt most of the time. Bottom line his eating is healthier via the Vitamix.

    And I find it an excellent tool for making frozen strawberry dacquiris and raspberry margarettas!

    Smoothies
    Glad to hear you and John keep on doing all the right things.

    Does the yogurt make the drinks even more appealing, or just add to the food value? I must try your cocktail ideas Alice! Have you tried making soup in your Vitamix? I haven't yet but must get round to it sometime.

    It's useful to get an endorsement that a juicer can have the pronounced effect I claimed in improving quality of food intake.
  • alice124
    alice124 Member Posts: 896

    Smoothies
    Glad to hear you and John keep on doing all the right things.

    Does the yogurt make the drinks even more appealing, or just add to the food value? I must try your cocktail ideas Alice! Have you tried making soup in your Vitamix? I haven't yet but must get round to it sometime.

    It's useful to get an endorsement that a juicer can have the pronounced effect I claimed in improving quality of food intake.

    smoothies
    John loves yogurt so--for him--it makes the smoothies more appealing and adds food value. He's just ordered the vitamix cookbook; so soups will be coming I believe. Will let you know when we do. If you come up with good recipe, let me know.

    (I personally dislike yogurt so I substitute Rum or Tequila!)
  • garym
    garym Member Posts: 1,647
    alice124 said:

    smoothies
    John loves yogurt so--for him--it makes the smoothies more appealing and adds food value. He's just ordered the vitamix cookbook; so soups will be coming I believe. Will let you know when we do. If you come up with good recipe, let me know.

    (I personally dislike yogurt so I substitute Rum or Tequila!)

    Smoothies...
    Alice, I'd rather drink your version of smoothies than John's.
  • keephopealive11
    keephopealive11 Member Posts: 21
    alice124 said:

    Seconding the Vitamix suggestion
    John and I have only had the Vitamix a little over a week, but it is making a difference in John's eating habits. He's having smoothies (similar to TW's) with the addition of yogurt most of the time. Bottom line his eating is healthier via the Vitamix.

    And I find it an excellent tool for making frozen strawberry dacquiris and raspberry margarettas!

    Vitamix...how about Curcumin and resveratrol too?
    Maybe I need to try the vitamix too. Will it cause weight loss? I don't want to lose more because I am already skinny:-)
    Anyone tried Curcumin or resveratrol?
  • sunlover_56
    sunlover_56 Member Posts: 110
    garym said:

    Smoothies...
    Alice, I'd rather drink your version of smoothies than John's.

    Smoothies
    I do believe I likes Alice's receipe better too. Perhaps I should consider purchasing a Vitamix
  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798

    Vitamix...how about Curcumin and resveratrol too?
    Maybe I need to try the vitamix too. Will it cause weight loss? I don't want to lose more because I am already skinny:-)
    Anyone tried Curcumin or resveratrol?

    Vitamix curcumin resveratrol bodyweight
    I'm just finishing another smoothie and would definitely recommend Vitamix. I feel sure that if you don't carry surplus weight, it won't make you lose weight. I'm continuing to maintain my weight within a pound of where I want it, all the time.

    On the supplements, I was just going to say that eating some indian food and drinking red wine should give you all you need but decided to research a little more. I think the jury is still out on resveratrol (see, e.g. Wikipedia article and Quackwatch) but further research will be worth following.

    On curcumin, one site I looked at is this:

    http://www.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=1571

    It's UK based (I live in Scotland) and i hadn't seen this site before so I must thank you for starting a line of enquiry that led me there - it looks like a good site to me.
  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798

    Vitamix curcumin resveratrol bodyweight
    I'm just finishing another smoothie and would definitely recommend Vitamix. I feel sure that if you don't carry surplus weight, it won't make you lose weight. I'm continuing to maintain my weight within a pound of where I want it, all the time.

    On the supplements, I was just going to say that eating some indian food and drinking red wine should give you all you need but decided to research a little more. I think the jury is still out on resveratrol (see, e.g. Wikipedia article and Quackwatch) but further research will be worth following.

    On curcumin, one site I looked at is this:

    http://www.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=1571

    It's UK based (I live in Scotland) and i hadn't seen this site before so I must thank you for starting a line of enquiry that led me there - it looks like a good site to me.

    Smoothies
    Count me on John's side of the taste debate. I love yogurt and I find rum too sickly-sweet to drink, even in a mix. I don't think I've ever had Tequila and I think I'll stick with whisky, gin and brandy.

    The smoothie I'm having today is, as usual for me, apple and banana based. I added raspberries, blackberries and blueberries and then followed John's lead and added a good quantity of greek-style yogurt. I really like the result - both texture and flavour - and know that it's an even more healthy drink.

    Another merit of the Vitamix and smoothies for me is that it makes it easier to avoid drinking huge amounts of coffee in all my waking hours, every day of the week!