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eibod
eibod Member Posts: 160
Hard to watch hubby so ill. Still in hospital, in so much pain. Meds put him out until
it starts again. He is so weak he can't hold the phone when calls come. Mornings are better, he seems more oriented. Evenings scare
the hell out of me. I know the dr said maybe several months, but how can he last like this. I want to be strong for him, but feel like I am dying inside also. When they
find how to manage the pain, I guess they will send him home with me (and hospice).
Hope and pray I can meet this challenge bravely.

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  • Annabelle41415
    Annabelle41415 Member Posts: 6,742 Member
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    Don't Know What to Say
    I'm so sorry he is going though this. I'm hoping that they can give him enough pain meds for his condition. I'm feeling for both of you. You are a wonderful caregiver. Just be there for him, you are a special person and he is lucky to have you.

    Kim
  • herdizziness
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    Ahhh darlins
    May you feel the wings of love wrapped around you both, we care so much and are there with you in spirit.
    May his pain be quickly dealt with and you know you will meet the challenge with grace and bravely, you have remained brave thus far and I believe you will continue to do so.
    We are here for you, helplessly here, but nonetheless, here for you.
    Our hearts go out to you.
    Winter Marie
  • tootsie1
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    So sorry, dear
    I'm praying this will be as easy as something like this can be. I know it must be hurting your heart so much.

    *hugs*
    Gail
  • Sundanceh
    Sundanceh Member Posts: 4,392 Member
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    I'm Just So Sorry, Brenda:(
    Dear Brenda,

    You are breaking my heart this evening...I've been reading all of the recurrence stories and brooding over cancer and how personal it is getting with my friends...and then I see your story and said to myself, "I can't wait anymore - I want Brenda to see some of the caregiver writings I did in 2 separate chapters.

    I'm at a loss right now, but I looked through and "cherry picked" a couple of excerpts out of each of the caregiver chapters - I have little to offer you, but I willingly give you this...my book may never see the time of day and I feel I need YOU to have this right now...tonight!

    With love, sorrow and admiration...Craig



    (Excerpts from the Caregiver Chapter)

    “What is a caregiver?”

    Merriam-Webster defines a caregiver as, a person who provides direct care for children, the elderly and the chronically ill.

    They are the first ones in line to stand by our sides when we are just starting out. They are the last ones in line if we end up approaching an end-of-life scenario. They will be the “Last of the Mohicans” left standing when it’s time to pick up the pieces of their lives, when all is said and done and the tears have stopped.

    “Remember the words we promised each other in our wedding vows – In Sickness and In Health?”

    “They were just words back then, right?”

    None of us ever really thought we would have to ‘cash in that chip’ and actually have to take on that kind of responsibility when we said “I Do”.

    We were young and healthy then with our whole lives stretched out in front of us. So when the minister uttered that phrase during the ceremony, we happily nodded our heads in agreement and hoped that this day would never come.

    “But, it did come, didn’t it?”

    Just like that, the life that we thought we knew was gone forever with those three little words from the opening chapter. Like actors in a play, we now had to learn new roles that would reinvent our relationship as we suddenly became the “Understudies of our own Lives”, now thrust into the spotlight and having to carry on with the show with such short notice.

    I’m reminded of an excerpt of a quote from the immortal William Shakespeare, “All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players…”

    I think that’s very apropos when we are talking about this particular story-line. All of our roles were clearly defined, or so we thought, and then whammy, “Cancer Upset the Apple Cart” and our lives came crashing to the ground. What we are suddenly confronted with in its wake, is role reversal.


    (Excerpts from End of Life Chapter)

    I think that the caregiver role must be extremely difficult to handle for many reasons. To begin with, the first rule of thumb is that the caregiver now looks at their partners and begins to envision a life without them for the very first time.

    That’s a lot to chew on with the first bite and can be very disconcerting for us to come to grips with. A lot of us have families with children and you’re left thinking to yourself how are you going to do this without my soul mate?

    These are sobering thoughts to have to contemplate. There’s a part of your brain trying not to think about it, but then there’s that corner of the mind that just can’t help thinking about it either.

    These are not morbid thoughts; rather they are just human nature. You can’t help but stare down the road at a possible reality and acknowledge what could be your situation. It may not happen of course, but this is just part of your survival mechanism that is tapping into your subconscious and ‘acting out’ on you.

    Please do not beat yourself up over this. It does not mean that you have given up or are thinking the worse. It’s the survivor mode mentality that we talked about earlier, and let’s face it, SURVIVAL is the strongest instinct that we have going for us.

    It’s only normal for any of us to have those thoughts about “What’s Next After This?”

    I think that some of the most difficult time for a caregiver is when our partner is in the hospital and when they first come home from the hospital. These are two critical junctures on the Caregiver Road.

    When we are laid up in the hospital looks to be the hardest time of all for the caregiver.

    you’re spending a great deal of time going down to the hospital to be with your partner and help attend to some of their needs. As the days roll by, you start to get sleep deprived and become exhausted.

    BREAK


    We’ve been taught all of our lives that there is a ‘fix’ for everything and we’re not going to take ‘no’ for an answer. But, sometimes in this ol’ life, there is just not an answer or a fix for every single situation, especially when it comes to dealing with cancer.

    We’ve got to be able to understand this concept at some point and begin to come to terms with the ideal of the “Journey Towards Acceptance” as the last frontier on our wondrous journeys.

    BREAK

    We carefully construct our lives around the people we care about, so the thought of suddenly not seeing them in it, resonates inside of us that sense of fear and dread of the thoughts, "What Am I Going to Do Without Them – How Am I Going to Go on Without Them?”

    While we have witnessed death in our lives and understand the rudimentary concept that we are all going to go some day, we have not personally experienced it ourselves. And that’s where all of the fear and trepidation come from.

    The death portion of our lives, in and of itself, is scary enough. With cancer though, I believe the thoughts and fear of dying from the disease bring forth the feeling of knowing that our time may grow nearer and have a more definitive conclusion than we originally anticipated.

    And that’s a pretty big gulp for any of us to contemplate.

    We started this chapter with the question of ‘when to say when?’ And as I try and close out this chapter, I’m still asking myself the other relevant question.

    “What does it mean to live and die with cancer?”

    I’m hoping that through the writings in this book that I’ve been able to answer that question and to also offer another perspective on the cancer experience that will help you think about cancer in different ways than you ever have before.

    I know I’ve learned a great deal by watching my fallen comrades and how they conducted themselves in their final days. They passed the torch down to me and there will come a day when I must pass it on to the next generation of cancer fighters.

    That’s just the cycle of life and as I grow older by the day, I see a point off on the horizon, where I will fade into the background of anomynity in this world, but hopefully not too far from the hearts and minds of all the friends of mine that I’ve tried so hard to touch on my journey with cancer.

    Let us all fight on with the strength, courage, conviction and tenacity that is ever present in us all, and if our number does happen to come up, then we will prepare ourselves accordingly.

    But, until that time comes – we fight – and we fight hard with everything that we have to give. Our game plans are simple – we play for keeps today and we will think about tomorrow – well, when tomorrow comes, of course.

    END
  • alexinlv
    alexinlv Member Posts: 194 Member
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    I am so sorry. You are in my
    I am so sorry. You are in my thoughts and prayers!
  • tommycat
    tommycat Member Posts: 790 Member
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    Yes...it must be very tough.
    Yes...it must be very tough. Know that you are not alone okay?
  • pscott1
    pscott1 Member Posts: 207 Member
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    Please know that we are thinking of you.
    I know it is such a difficult and helpless feeling being in your position. I was a caregiver for my Dad when he was dying from Parkinsons and I want to say to you most of all; don't feel guilty about anything. Say everything you want to say to him now. Don't leave anything unsaid so that later on you find yourself saying "I wish....". There are no words that can make you feel better but know that so many on this board are praying for you and wish your husband peace. Take care of yourself and just know that somehow, you will make it thru this. I'm so sorry you even have to go through this.

    Take care,

    Pam
  • k1
    k1 Member Posts: 220 Member
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    You will find
    You will find the courage, the strength, the words in the moments that you need them, not before. Have faith and trust they will come. Meanwhile, take care of yourself by getting rest, eating well, and reaching out to others for support to see you through this challenging time taking care of your loved one.

    K1
  • KathiM
    KathiM Member Posts: 8,028 Member
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    I'm sending warm hugs....
    I know of what you are feeling, dearheart!

    My beau was in hospital for a standard heart ablation procedure that went terribly wrong. He ended up completely disoriented, and tied to the bed so he wouldn't hurt himself. I became his only voice, and had to deal with the caregiving personnel, both doctors and nurses, as well as my own terror as to what to do if he was permanently this way....

    I remember well the day the doctor said "He will have a better chance of regaining his memory and health in a familiar environment, I was to send him home." I remember saying "Alone? With only ME????? I don't feel comfortable with that AT ALL!!!"

    Well, we did go home, and there were some moments I was very nervous. But there was also a strength that emerged in me to take charge, and things turned out ok. The only down side, for me, was after he was stable and had regained most of his brain processing, I had a tough time releasing my control. We had a few head buttings over it....*smile*

    BIG hugs to a VERY strong soul who WILL be able to handle it...knowing that we have your back!!!

    Hugs, Kathi
  • Brenda Bricco
    Brenda Bricco Member Posts: 579 Member
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    I am so sorry to hear that
    I am so sorry to hear that things have gone this way for your husband. Sometimes I feel so helpless and I am sure you feel this way at times too. I am thinking about you and praying for your strength and peace.
    God bless you.
    Brenda
  • karen40
    karen40 Member Posts: 211 Member
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    I'm so sorry
    I'm so sorry to hear this. I pray for the both of yous to be comforted.
    Karen
  • christinecarl
    christinecarl Member Posts: 543 Member
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    I am very sorry
    I am sorry for you and your husband. I sometimes think being a caregiver is in many way harder, there is a sense of having no control over anything, and all you can do is watch the person you love slip further and further from you. I hope that you have people to help you, prayers for you both.
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
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    you are so brave and you can do it
    yes a part of you is dieing.

    its sad but the pain you feel is a reflection of the strength of your love.

    love him as well as you can,

    try to remember to care for yourself, that will make him happy i am sure.

    hugs,
    pete
  • eibod
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    Sundanceh said:

    I'm Just So Sorry, Brenda:(
    Dear Brenda,

    You are breaking my heart this evening...I've been reading all of the recurrence stories and brooding over cancer and how personal it is getting with my friends...and then I see your story and said to myself, "I can't wait anymore - I want Brenda to see some of the caregiver writings I did in 2 separate chapters.

    I'm at a loss right now, but I looked through and "cherry picked" a couple of excerpts out of each of the caregiver chapters - I have little to offer you, but I willingly give you this...my book may never see the time of day and I feel I need YOU to have this right now...tonight!

    With love, sorrow and admiration...Craig



    (Excerpts from the Caregiver Chapter)

    “What is a caregiver?”

    Merriam-Webster defines a caregiver as, a person who provides direct care for children, the elderly and the chronically ill.

    They are the first ones in line to stand by our sides when we are just starting out. They are the last ones in line if we end up approaching an end-of-life scenario. They will be the “Last of the Mohicans” left standing when it’s time to pick up the pieces of their lives, when all is said and done and the tears have stopped.

    “Remember the words we promised each other in our wedding vows – In Sickness and In Health?”

    “They were just words back then, right?”

    None of us ever really thought we would have to ‘cash in that chip’ and actually have to take on that kind of responsibility when we said “I Do”.

    We were young and healthy then with our whole lives stretched out in front of us. So when the minister uttered that phrase during the ceremony, we happily nodded our heads in agreement and hoped that this day would never come.

    “But, it did come, didn’t it?”

    Just like that, the life that we thought we knew was gone forever with those three little words from the opening chapter. Like actors in a play, we now had to learn new roles that would reinvent our relationship as we suddenly became the “Understudies of our own Lives”, now thrust into the spotlight and having to carry on with the show with such short notice.

    I’m reminded of an excerpt of a quote from the immortal William Shakespeare, “All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players…”

    I think that’s very apropos when we are talking about this particular story-line. All of our roles were clearly defined, or so we thought, and then whammy, “Cancer Upset the Apple Cart” and our lives came crashing to the ground. What we are suddenly confronted with in its wake, is role reversal.


    (Excerpts from End of Life Chapter)

    I think that the caregiver role must be extremely difficult to handle for many reasons. To begin with, the first rule of thumb is that the caregiver now looks at their partners and begins to envision a life without them for the very first time.

    That’s a lot to chew on with the first bite and can be very disconcerting for us to come to grips with. A lot of us have families with children and you’re left thinking to yourself how are you going to do this without my soul mate?

    These are sobering thoughts to have to contemplate. There’s a part of your brain trying not to think about it, but then there’s that corner of the mind that just can’t help thinking about it either.

    These are not morbid thoughts; rather they are just human nature. You can’t help but stare down the road at a possible reality and acknowledge what could be your situation. It may not happen of course, but this is just part of your survival mechanism that is tapping into your subconscious and ‘acting out’ on you.

    Please do not beat yourself up over this. It does not mean that you have given up or are thinking the worse. It’s the survivor mode mentality that we talked about earlier, and let’s face it, SURVIVAL is the strongest instinct that we have going for us.

    It’s only normal for any of us to have those thoughts about “What’s Next After This?”

    I think that some of the most difficult time for a caregiver is when our partner is in the hospital and when they first come home from the hospital. These are two critical junctures on the Caregiver Road.

    When we are laid up in the hospital looks to be the hardest time of all for the caregiver.

    you’re spending a great deal of time going down to the hospital to be with your partner and help attend to some of their needs. As the days roll by, you start to get sleep deprived and become exhausted.

    BREAK


    We’ve been taught all of our lives that there is a ‘fix’ for everything and we’re not going to take ‘no’ for an answer. But, sometimes in this ol’ life, there is just not an answer or a fix for every single situation, especially when it comes to dealing with cancer.

    We’ve got to be able to understand this concept at some point and begin to come to terms with the ideal of the “Journey Towards Acceptance” as the last frontier on our wondrous journeys.

    BREAK

    We carefully construct our lives around the people we care about, so the thought of suddenly not seeing them in it, resonates inside of us that sense of fear and dread of the thoughts, "What Am I Going to Do Without Them – How Am I Going to Go on Without Them?”

    While we have witnessed death in our lives and understand the rudimentary concept that we are all going to go some day, we have not personally experienced it ourselves. And that’s where all of the fear and trepidation come from.

    The death portion of our lives, in and of itself, is scary enough. With cancer though, I believe the thoughts and fear of dying from the disease bring forth the feeling of knowing that our time may grow nearer and have a more definitive conclusion than we originally anticipated.

    And that’s a pretty big gulp for any of us to contemplate.

    We started this chapter with the question of ‘when to say when?’ And as I try and close out this chapter, I’m still asking myself the other relevant question.

    “What does it mean to live and die with cancer?”

    I’m hoping that through the writings in this book that I’ve been able to answer that question and to also offer another perspective on the cancer experience that will help you think about cancer in different ways than you ever have before.

    I know I’ve learned a great deal by watching my fallen comrades and how they conducted themselves in their final days. They passed the torch down to me and there will come a day when I must pass it on to the next generation of cancer fighters.

    That’s just the cycle of life and as I grow older by the day, I see a point off on the horizon, where I will fade into the background of anomynity in this world, but hopefully not too far from the hearts and minds of all the friends of mine that I’ve tried so hard to touch on my journey with cancer.

    Let us all fight on with the strength, courage, conviction and tenacity that is ever present in us all, and if our number does happen to come up, then we will prepare ourselves accordingly.

    But, until that time comes – we fight – and we fight hard with everything that we have to give. Our game plans are simple – we play for keeps today and we will think about tomorrow – well, when tomorrow comes, of course.

    END

    Thanks so much Craig. This
    Thanks so much Craig. This was very comforting, as you always have been since I have been on this board. I am a little calmer now, have adjusted a little to the different
    symptoms that he exhibits. I know that he is clearer in the mornings, and doesn't shake
    as much. I know to expect him to be very confused in the afternoons/evenings and can't hold
    anything, and to be more in pain at that time.
    I am still hoping for some tomorrows, I realize there will not be many, but
    hope that I will make those tomorrows as comfortable and loving for him as I can.
    I appreciate you, Brenda
  • eibod
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    Thank you, everyone, for
    Thank you, everyone, for all of the love and support, the many prayers. The dr has put a drain into his abdomen now to have a continous drain capability for the ascites that seems
    to come so rapidly. He continues to have a hard time finding his words and making complete sentences, at times things he says are hard to understand. Any eating seems to make him nauseated. The pain seems to be everpresent. The dr said several months, and it would get worse ,she was not sure I could handle it. Am not sure what "worse" means, but am sure that I will be with him. I am praying that the pain can be managed through meds. I am not sure if he knows these are final days, but I try to be positive around him and upbeat.
    It means so much to be able to go to this site and find that you guys are there for us,
    I love you all for that. Brenda
  • pepebcn
    pepebcn Member Posts: 6,331 Member
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    eibod said:

    Thank you, everyone, for
    Thank you, everyone, for all of the love and support, the many prayers. The dr has put a drain into his abdomen now to have a continous drain capability for the ascites that seems
    to come so rapidly. He continues to have a hard time finding his words and making complete sentences, at times things he says are hard to understand. Any eating seems to make him nauseated. The pain seems to be everpresent. The dr said several months, and it would get worse ,she was not sure I could handle it. Am not sure what "worse" means, but am sure that I will be with him. I am praying that the pain can be managed through meds. I am not sure if he knows these are final days, but I try to be positive around him and upbeat.
    It means so much to be able to go to this site and find that you guys are there for us,
    I love you all for that. Brenda

    Feel so sorry for all of this Brenda.
    You care givers are really heroes, I pray for you both!
    Hugs.
  • sharpy102
    sharpy102 Member Posts: 368 Member
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    eibod said:

    Thank you, everyone, for
    Thank you, everyone, for all of the love and support, the many prayers. The dr has put a drain into his abdomen now to have a continous drain capability for the ascites that seems
    to come so rapidly. He continues to have a hard time finding his words and making complete sentences, at times things he says are hard to understand. Any eating seems to make him nauseated. The pain seems to be everpresent. The dr said several months, and it would get worse ,she was not sure I could handle it. Am not sure what "worse" means, but am sure that I will be with him. I am praying that the pain can be managed through meds. I am not sure if he knows these are final days, but I try to be positive around him and upbeat.
    It means so much to be able to go to this site and find that you guys are there for us,
    I love you all for that. Brenda

    be there
    @Brenda:

    I am sorry to hear what you are going through with your husband...I've gone through this with my Mom as well, so I get the sense of what you are going through- although I have no right to say "I know what you're going through" as that is not true. But, certainly, you've gotta be very very strong front of your husband...never ever for a second weaken, and show that you are so sad and that he'll be leaving soon. NEVER! When you are around him, be like you are just with him and helping him so that he'll get better. Let him feel that you are there, and this is just a temporary phase, even if he could murmur it out loud that he feels he has not much left. Don't agree with that. I'm not saying deny it and say "you're wrong!" Listen to him, acknowledge what he says, and just be there with him. Mom knew she is going to die...I knew it too, although I wished that day never came...and although being there was hard, I don't regret! She needed me...your husband needs you too. When my Mom was sleeping, I was reading a book to her aloud...you could do that with your husband too. When he is not lucid, whatever he says, just pretend it is all making sense, and it's all fine. I did that with Mom too. She would say stuff that are non sense, or tell me to tell someone behind the door not to come in...it was only two of us, but I pretended she is right. So I told her I'll be right back and will tell the person not to come in. And I would step outside, close the door, spend a couple minutes outside and then come right back in and tell her that I told the person and the person left and not going to come in. Just everything...whatever she said that was nonsense, I made it in a way that it was sensible and acted accordingly. You can do that too...it gave Mom a relief to see that I am managing things fine and everything is under control. It was hard *sigh*, but that's what you've gotta do if you love your husband, which reading from your notes, you do! I'll be thinking of you and your husband. If you need to complain, vent, tell a story, ask questions, you can always shoot me a PM. I am not smart at all, and won't be able to tell you much, but I'm good at listening and probably good at least a bit in comforting others (I hope). Oh and now I don't have to hide anymore on this board as I can be here now legally as I just turned 14. Woohoo!!! :) That last statement is actually for everyone! :)
    Please take care!
  • RobinKaye
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    sharpy102 said:

    be there
    @Brenda:

    I am sorry to hear what you are going through with your husband...I've gone through this with my Mom as well, so I get the sense of what you are going through- although I have no right to say "I know what you're going through" as that is not true. But, certainly, you've gotta be very very strong front of your husband...never ever for a second weaken, and show that you are so sad and that he'll be leaving soon. NEVER! When you are around him, be like you are just with him and helping him so that he'll get better. Let him feel that you are there, and this is just a temporary phase, even if he could murmur it out loud that he feels he has not much left. Don't agree with that. I'm not saying deny it and say "you're wrong!" Listen to him, acknowledge what he says, and just be there with him. Mom knew she is going to die...I knew it too, although I wished that day never came...and although being there was hard, I don't regret! She needed me...your husband needs you too. When my Mom was sleeping, I was reading a book to her aloud...you could do that with your husband too. When he is not lucid, whatever he says, just pretend it is all making sense, and it's all fine. I did that with Mom too. She would say stuff that are non sense, or tell me to tell someone behind the door not to come in...it was only two of us, but I pretended she is right. So I told her I'll be right back and will tell the person not to come in. And I would step outside, close the door, spend a couple minutes outside and then come right back in and tell her that I told the person and the person left and not going to come in. Just everything...whatever she said that was nonsense, I made it in a way that it was sensible and acted accordingly. You can do that too...it gave Mom a relief to see that I am managing things fine and everything is under control. It was hard *sigh*, but that's what you've gotta do if you love your husband, which reading from your notes, you do! I'll be thinking of you and your husband. If you need to complain, vent, tell a story, ask questions, you can always shoot me a PM. I am not smart at all, and won't be able to tell you much, but I'm good at listening and probably good at least a bit in comforting others (I hope). Oh and now I don't have to hide anymore on this board as I can be here now legally as I just turned 14. Woohoo!!! :) That last statement is actually for everyone! :)
    Please take care!

    Happy Birthday
    Sharpy,

    You are an amazing young woman and wise way beyond your years. Your mother must have
    been so proud of you.
  • ktlcs
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    RobinKaye said:

    Happy Birthday
    Sharpy,

    You are an amazing young woman and wise way beyond your years. Your mother must have
    been so proud of you.

    I get it
    I nearly never post anymore but still lurk to see how everyone is doing. I took care of my husband for eight years. As the result of a stroke before he was diagnosed with the monster. While we all handle things differently, you'll be surprised at what you can do when you have to. The best I can say is that I agree with Sharpy, just being there is the best thing you can do for him. I know that after it was over it comforted me somehow to know that at least I was always there fighting along his side.

    My prayers go out to you, I know how tough if is stay strong

    Kathy
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    my heart goes out to you...
    as I am watching the same with friends of mine.
    How do you tell your loved one how important they are to you, and not think about the day that will come when you can't.
    For those of you who are going thru this with your loved ones, hold on to them, remember the days when life was easier, and keep fighting.

    There will come a time that this beast gets beat down, and hopefully that day will come soon.

    I would like to know if anyone is having a rough time with insurance or hospital stays, as we could use some advice from others who have been here before.