starting hyperthermia with iv vit c, thank god, what a nice xmas present.

$?
If I may be so bold, how much do they ask for treatments a la carte'?

pete43lost_at_sea said:

its about the same price as a massge
of course you can ask tanstaafl,

each hyperthermia is about $120 it lasts for 2 hours.

the iv vit c is about $250 depending on vit c dose.

so say $400 for each week, its goes for 6 weeks.
so about $2400, but i think it will be less, i am almost friends with these guys,
we are out of money at the moment as i have been hammering the supplements.

did you see i am doing rgcc for the ctc tests. have a look at the press release on the rgcc usa website. i value your opinion.

have you research hyperthermia yourself ?

basically the iv vit c price is is reasonable here or melbourne. i know you can buy a bottle of the stuff for only $68, i am going to ask my nurse friends if they csan put me of a drip and i'll do it myself if i need to continuie.

initially i want the care, guidance and support of the only practicioneer in australia who has the most experience. he has a 4 month waiting list, he replied the same day, he said come down straight away. going on cancer retreats, going on conferences, beiong known and making a contribution on the local seen has i believe meant the door was open straight away when i needed the treatment.

i will have to drive to melbourne, 11 hours away and live with family and friends. melbourne is lovelly.

hugs,
pete

I am continually intrigued
I am continually intrigued by all of the work and research you are doing. I just feel
like there is so much going on out there in the world that I don't know about......
Thanks for sharing,
Laura

pete43lost_at_sea said:

less than a coke can
not a pint, more than a siringe.

as for the vit c, i just was offered medical grade vit c for iv, sounds reasonable they buy it for $68 and charge us $300 per infusion, thats life in our medical system here.

i did not buy the iv vit c so i have no details, sorry. ,
i have another product vitc and k3 coming, its called apatone, great for prostrate , its also tested by rgcc.

info about apatone
http://advancedprostatecancer.net/?p=302

not sure why my newest integrative specialist is recommended this, its about $15 per week.
I will find out, i have not fully researched it. most of the time i take the advice of my specialists and fill in the blanks when i have time.

i got k2 drops today $120 for a bottle, could have purchased it over the net for much less.
but i had a 3 hour discussion with a pharmacologist compounding chemist about my entire protocol, every supplement and every cofactor. my mind is still digesting it all. yes i am on all the supplements he would recommend, he said to drop a few and pick up some others which i will do.

Products / Vitamin Section
Vitamin K2 Liquid
concentrated vitamin K2 in a convenient liquid form
effective in maintaining bone health*
combine with vitamin D for optimal bone health*
supports a healthy cardiovascular system*
provides nutritional support for oncology patients*
Item Product Size Price
K170 Vitamin K2 Liquid 1 fl oz (30 mL) $61.20
PRODUCT INFO INGREDIENTS WARNINGS
Product Information
Vitamin K2 exerts a more powerful influence on bone than does vitamin K1.* Vitamin K2 is a series of molecules known as menaquinones, some of which are found naturally in fermented soybeans. The most common and well studied of the menaquinones is MK-4. Thorne's vitamin K2 is MK-4.

Vitamin K2 appears to offer significant benefit for supporting bone health.* Although much of the vitamin K2 research has been conducted on postmenopausal support for bones, because vitamin K2 does not have any estrogenic effects, vitamin K2 also offers bone support for other populations, including anorexics, dialysis patients, individuals with Parkinson's disease, those who have cirrhosis of the liver, individuals who have had a bone marrow transplant, those immobilized after a stroke, and individuals on chronic steroid therapy.*

Thorne's Vitamin K2 Liquid supplies 1 mg of vitamin K2 per drop. Research shows doses up to 15 mg three times daily may be used.*

given most on folofx have steroids i wonder if k2 is helpful. if you saw my comments above i am having a break here and focusing on meditation and healing and hyperthermia.

practised hypermthermia tonight in the bath, got core body temp up to 38.6 and a racing heart beat, interesting times i am living in.

my best wishes to you and for your wife health and happiness this xmass and beyond.
i will be updating my blog with my adventures and coming here not as often.
thanks for all the advice support over the last year.

hugs,
pete

xmas
It's hard to tell about tumor cell recovery and sample size, this could be a limiting factor with RGCC. We pay our money, kick the tires and hope it works. I am all for viable cell testing, we'll have to see how this one works out.

We initially used K3 3x a week, now just once weekly. We use high dose K2 daily, I'm reasonably certain it works well with the immunochemotherapy. We found our own nurse and supplies were the best deal on IVC although our cross town doctor has the magic hand for IV inserts, my wife is nearing IVC#400. Tired veins, especially since nurse has limited range, whereas our doctor can do deep veins in a lot more places. My wife has a thermal bed, got it for her back, but still doesn't use it much, especially since her back got better with all the vit D, supplements and diet. We wish you and yours a Merry Xmas Pete, drop me a PM if you like.

pete43lost_at_sea said:

less than a coke can
not a pint, more than a siringe.

as for the vit c, i just was offered medical grade vit c for iv, sounds reasonable they buy it for $68 and charge us $300 per infusion, thats life in our medical system here.

i did not buy the iv vit c so i have no details, sorry. ,
i have another product vitc and k3 coming, its called apatone, great for prostrate , its also tested by rgcc.

info about apatone
http://advancedprostatecancer.net/?p=302

not sure why my newest integrative specialist is recommended this, its about $15 per week.
I will find out, i have not fully researched it. most of the time i take the advice of my specialists and fill in the blanks when i have time.

i got k2 drops today $120 for a bottle, could have purchased it over the net for much less.
but i had a 3 hour discussion with a pharmacologist compounding chemist about my entire protocol, every supplement and every cofactor. my mind is still digesting it all. yes i am on all the supplements he would recommend, he said to drop a few and pick up some others which i will do.

Products / Vitamin Section
Vitamin K2 Liquid
concentrated vitamin K2 in a convenient liquid form
effective in maintaining bone health*
combine with vitamin D for optimal bone health*
supports a healthy cardiovascular system*
provides nutritional support for oncology patients*
Item Product Size Price
K170 Vitamin K2 Liquid 1 fl oz (30 mL) $61.20
PRODUCT INFO INGREDIENTS WARNINGS
Product Information
Vitamin K2 exerts a more powerful influence on bone than does vitamin K1.* Vitamin K2 is a series of molecules known as menaquinones, some of which are found naturally in fermented soybeans. The most common and well studied of the menaquinones is MK-4. Thorne's vitamin K2 is MK-4.

Vitamin K2 appears to offer significant benefit for supporting bone health.* Although much of the vitamin K2 research has been conducted on postmenopausal support for bones, because vitamin K2 does not have any estrogenic effects, vitamin K2 also offers bone support for other populations, including anorexics, dialysis patients, individuals with Parkinson's disease, those who have cirrhosis of the liver, individuals who have had a bone marrow transplant, those immobilized after a stroke, and individuals on chronic steroid therapy.*

Thorne's Vitamin K2 Liquid supplies 1 mg of vitamin K2 per drop. Research shows doses up to 15 mg three times daily may be used.*

given most on folofx have steroids i wonder if k2 is helpful. if you saw my comments above i am having a break here and focusing on meditation and healing and hyperthermia.

practised hypermthermia tonight in the bath, got core body temp up to 38.6 and a racing heart beat, interesting times i am living in.

my best wishes to you and for your wife health and happiness this xmass and beyond.
i will be updating my blog with my adventures and coming here not as often.
thanks for all the advice support over the last year.

hugs,
pete

Hey Pete...I looked at the
Hey Pete...I looked at the apatone on line, looks really interesting....kinda back to the cancer loves sugar, and apatone looks like sugar to the cancer so it takes it in. The trials look promising. May I ask do you need a prescription for this?? How are you getting it.

John23 said:

Costs, costs, and more costs.
There are times that I feel terrible knowing that a month and a half
worth of the eight herbs I used in a decoction, had only cost me
$120 or so per month and a half......

I haven't taken the herbs for over two years now, and probably
should start taking them again for six month intervals.

I guess I'm not doing too bad for a cc4 that was told in 2006,
that a possible 2-3 year prognosis could be had if I use chemo...

But they tell me that I'm just a lucky guy because I used medicinal
strength Chinese herbs instead of man-made chemicals.

I have trouble understanding why so many people fear not doing
what is "scientifically acceptable", and doing something that might
actually save their lives.....

I have even more trouble understanding why anyone would want
to spend all their money on products that have not even been
proven to work by actual practice..... instead of a very small
amount of money on something that's been tested and proved
in actual practice and experience.

Go figger'....


Best hopes for all that try so hard

John

oops

tanstaafl said:

integrative TCM
John, probably a new thread, what do think a TCM doc would say about trying to add some part of your menu to a massive integrative effort like my wife's?

tanstaafl -
Most orthodox TCM practitioners do not like to use medicinal
herbs in the manner western medicine uses chemicals.

By that.... western medicine treats the symptom(s) -not- the
reason for the symptoms, and the herbs I've personally used
are all "dose dependent" I.E. : they only work when you take
them. (same as chemo)

The TCM physician prefers to get to the root cause of the
reason the cancer was allowed to grow, and fix that.

At the time of my diagnosis (and the poor prognosis), I didn't
feel I had the time to "do it right"; I wanted the cancer gone
as soon as possible, and then begin TCM treatments later.

My TCM doc didn't agree with my use of herbs in that manner,
since he doesn't use them in that manner, but he did understand
my position. He was there if I needed any help. He did admit
that the herbs were well known to do as the reports claimed.

The individuals I met at the supplier's shop (customers) all said
that the first two herbs on my list were used by cancer patients
with amazing results. (one of the two herbs are being studied by
Merck - but using one will not work; the two are used in combination)

There is absolutely no reason not to use the herbs in combination
with chemo, or any other modality, but I would strongly recommend
any individual trying to treat themselves with herbs or otherwise,
have a qualified practitioner they can call upon for help if needed.

The last herb on my list can present problems for the kidneys if
too much is taken. I developed a problem, called (and went to) my
TCM doc for verification of my diagnosis. He agreed and gave me
a decoction for it; I was back to normal the next day. That is why
a TCM practitoner or very qualified herbalist is required.
(that last herb btw, can be left out altogether; a small amount
helps urine flow, while too much will restrict urine flow)

If nothing else, the first two herbs are reported to do wonders.
They not only address cancer cells, but help restore the immune system.
The cost averages around $5 to $6 per pound for each of those herbs.
One pound will last about 6 weeks. Since the decoction calls for
a two to one ration, one pound of one herb will last longer...

Neither of those two herbs are known to cause any problems
or interactions with any other herbs or chemicals.

Inexpensive to try, and safe as all hell. I can't understand anyone's
reluctance to try it.

Since I used a bevy of the various herbs, I can't say which one may
have made the spots in my lungs and liver disappear.... or if the
herbs actually did anything at all. But I did not do chemo or radiation,
and dearly hope I will never have to. (original cc4 dx 2006)

(I never had a restrictive diet; I ate fat, red meat, junk food,
and drink like a fish. I presently get magnesium via PICC due
to the last operation)

(I have not taken the herbs for over two years now; and may start
again tomorrow... All these recurrances around here are starting to
scare me).

The loss of most of my intestines due to adhesions and obstructions
may make herbal broths a thing of the past for me, since my system
no longer absorbs much of anything it should.

If for any reason things fall apart and I need to turn to some other
modality, I'll find out who Phil's physicians are, and head north for
a visit.

Unless of course, I can take herbal broths via PICC line......
(wouldn't that be a neat experiment?)

Take care, and be well (wife too!)

John

pete43lost_at_sea said:

any good compounding pharmistict can make it
i did need a script from my integrative doctor before they would supply.
it cost $118 delivered 200 capsules, at 6 capsules a day its $30 per week, not cheap.

you maybe be able to source it cheaper.

hugs,
pete

Upcoming treatments
Pete,

Please do keep us posted on your progress. I have an interest in the modalities you are going to use.

I had a friend some 25 years ago with metastatic prostate cancer. He had three days of intensive hyperthermic treatment, and experienced a virtual remission. He felt good for at least a year without the pains et cetera. In fact, he felt so good that he stopped seeing doctors. Unfortunately, he died at age 49 of prostate cancer. I have wondered why we don't hear more about hyperthermic treatment.

I have been involved over the past year in a project related to football injuries. We've looked at injuries and of course the hot topic of head injuries. We've also considered corporate aspects, cultural issues, etc. I haven't personally done very much in the last six months due to my cancer. We are however almost done and ready for presentation shortly.

Along the way, another person and I have become quite interested in the potential for both vitamin C and hyperbaric oxygen therapy to help (cell) recovery from head injury. Some of the principles here seem to me to apply also to cancer.

Best wishes and keep us posted.

Norm

jimch said:

same product?
http://www.iherb.com/Life-Enhancement-ProsStay-180-Capsules/12321?at=0

I looked at the life
I looked at the life enhancement .... looks to be the same....the one on line supplier is out of stock.